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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

The National Security Law Podcast Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

    Episode 221: GWOT Shots, Part Deux

    Episode 221: GWOT Shots, Part Deux

    And we're back, with yet another interminable window of extemporaneous frivolity at the front end of what otherwise is a somewhat serious show about the latest national security law developments and debates (seriously). Listen up as co-hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney discuss Russia's denial of combatant immunity to foreign fighters in Ukraine (including some Americans), how this pertains to mercenary status, how it compares to US policies on al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, how this in turn relates to the Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi plea deal at GTMO, how speaking of GTMO they transferred Gul to Afghanistan, and hey speaking of the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT) there was a capture operation in Syria that seems like it was led by US SOF but who knows who now holds the detainee let alone what legal framework applies and hey maybe it was France because it seems like they've got their own Le GWOT going in the Sahel to include drone strikes taking out several dozen guys on motorcycles plus they also had a capture operation, and [...catching my breath...] meanwhile Steve lost a case about court-appointed prosecutors but maybe that's not the last word because that dissent made some good points.  [EXHALE]

    • 52 min
    Episode 220: This Podcast Made the Kessel Run In Less than 12 Parsecs

    Episode 220: This Podcast Made the Kessel Run In Less than 12 Parsecs

    And...we're back, and in less than a month, remarkably!  Tune in as co-hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney discuss (1) the latest seditious conspiracy indictment arising out of January 6th, (2) the Navarro contempt of Congress charge, (3) the latest developments in the lawsuits challenging the Texas and Florida social media content-moderation laws, and (4) enforcement of Commerce Department licensing rules designed to prevent certain US-made aircraft from being taken to Russia (or Belarus) and the way this resulted in what ultimately will be a $400m loss for Roman Abramovich.  That, plus more aimless Mets and Star Wars chit-chat than any reasonable person possible could want....

    • 1 hr 3 min
    Episode 219: And the Podcast Host-Designate Is …

    Episode 219: And the Podcast Host-Designate Is …

    Some of y'all were wondering if the show was done-for now that co-host Bobby Chesney has been named the next dean of the University of Texas School of Law.  But as it turns out, the main impact of that on the show probably will be no more and no less than to take the level of preparation that he and co-host Steve Vladeck put into things to new lows!



    All of which is a long-winded way of saying: we're back with a fresh episode, this time focused on (1) discussion of the leak(s) associated with the Supreme Court's Dobbs case and (2) a review of what a war-crimes analysis might entail as applied to operation Russia's GRU conducted to shut down Ukraine's grid during the period after the occupation of Crimea but before the outbreak of the current invasion!



    Ok, there's also a preposterously detailed discussion (in the form of a song-to-song competition) of the relative merits of various Indigo Girls albums.  Seriously?  Seriously.

    • 51 min
    Episode 218: From 28(j) to Enterprise-J

    Episode 218: From 28(j) to Enterprise-J

    Ok, ok, it's been a full month since the last episode.  But good things come to those who wait!  We are back, and hope you'll tune in as co-hosts Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck discuss the latest in national security legal news, including:



    * The questions associated with neutrality and co-belligerency (and especially "qualified neutrality") in relation to US and allied support to Ukraine in the Ukraine-Russia War

    * The Supreme Court's decision to grant a stay in Lloyd Austin v. U.S. Navy SEALS 1-26, in relation to a district court order (based on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act) barring the Navy from enforcing its policy precluding deployment of personnel who refuse COVID vaccination)

    * Another GTMO detainee (Hassan bin Attash of Yemen) cleared for release

    * A guilty verdict against an Islamic State member (a formerly-British citizen who was part of the quartet known as "the Beatles") charged with involvement in the horrific abuse of captives



    And, yes, lots and lots of crowing over the early-season success of the Mets, along with other frivolity!

    • 58 min
    Episode 217: Talking With Matt Olsen About DOJ National Security Division

    Episode 217: Talking With Matt Olsen About DOJ National Security Division

    What a treat we have for you this week!  Assistant Attorney General Matt Olsen, head of DOJ's National Security Division, sits down with co-hosts Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck to talk about a wide range of NSD-related topics:



    * the origins of NSD

    * the Section 702 sunset next year

    * indictments against Russian hackers

    * sanctions enforcement

    * focusing on China's commercial espionage and transnational repression

    * the continuing international terrorism threat

    * the growing domestic terrorism threat

    • 57 min
    Episode 216: This Podcast Does Not Constitute Legal Advice

    Episode 216: This Podcast Does Not Constitute Legal Advice

    And we're back! Tune in as Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck discuss and debate:



    * ICC jurisdiction over war crimes on Ukraine's territory

    * Limits on sharing tactical intel and arms?

    * The Neutrality Act and its implications for those interested in going to Ukraine to fight

    * The Supreme Court's twin State Secrets Privilege rulings last week (Zubayda, Fazaga)

    * Qhatani transferred out of GTMO

    * A pair of recent rulings against the Navy on its COVID vaccination policy

    * The House Foreign Affairs Committee's AUMF hearing



    All that, plus. what can only be described as perfunctory frivolity :)

    • 1 hr 3 min

Customer Reviews

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597 Ratings

597 Ratings

luca487075 ,

Tu 222

. Three weeks is too long. I’m glad you’re back. Grandmother in San Diego

OtisArmstrong8 ,

Political Hack

Like any tv lawyer that routinely appears on national media, Vladek masquerades his political preferences as legal analysis. Baselessly smearing the court and other legal analyst who don’t arrive at the results that suit his political preferences. If you are on the left side of the aisle and want a nuanced and fair legal podcast I point you in the direction of “Amarica’s Constitution”.

Peter Jarka-Sellers ,

Great podcast

Always good, nuanced discussion, they do a fantastic job of explaining legal issues in terms non lawyers can understand

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