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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

The National Security Law Podcast Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

    Episode 182: This Podcast Will Keep Going Until They Come For Us!

    Episode 182: This Podcast Will Keep Going Until They Come For Us!

    And we’re back, after a(nother) week off!  What do we have to show for it? Tune is as co-hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney as they review:



    * Steve’s Supreme Court argument in Briggs — more military justice at SCOTUS!

    * Speaking of the Court: whither the role of the Chief once he’s not obviously the fifth vote? Who will be the new swing justice? And what to make of the Court’s actions this week in the Pennsylvania and Alabama election cases?

    * Meanwhile, over at the DOJ National Security Division:



    * Russian military officers indicted for NotPetya and more

    * A man convicted of material support who was nearing the end of his sentence just picked up an extra 25 years, for it turned out he was using his time to recruit others to carry out attacks and planning some future violence of his own

    * Two web domains used by Kata’ib Hizballah–a sanctioned foreign terrorist organization–have been seized, for needless to say KH did not get themselves an OFAC license…







    And then the long-awaited Tom Berenger frivolity!  Jake, Barnes, Longstreet…much to discuss!

    • 52 min
    Episode 181: This Podcast Has Lots of Jitter

    Episode 181: This Podcast Has Lots of Jitter

    They may or may not have more presidential debates, but you’ll always at least have us!  Tune in for this week’s episode as Professors Chesney and Vladeck review the latest national security law developments:



    * The two so-called Islamic State “Beatles” have now arrived in Virginia to face criminal prosecution in civilian court.

    * Meanwhile, the trial before a military commission of KSM and others charged with involvement in the 9/11 plot needs a judge, again.

    * In a horrifying illustration of organized domestic terrorism, the FBI and DOJ today revealed the arrest of five men who were plotting to kidnap Michigan’s governor (apparently with plans to them hold some kind of show trial, which then presumably would lead to her murder).

    * The Second Circuit will not quash the subpoena issued by New York City’s DA (Cy Vance Jr.) for Trump-related tax records.

    * The 25th Amendment was in the news, bigly, last Friday as President Trump’s health situation deteriorated; we spell out how it works, and then argue over the wisdom of having the Speaker of the House in the statutory order of succession for the presidency

    * Where in the world is Steve Vladeck…in terms of oral arguments?  He was in the Texas Supreme Court this week, and will be in the Supreme Court of the United States next Tuesday (for Briggs).



    Meanwhile, we have one word of advice and one homework assignment for y’all:

    ADVICE: WATCH TED LASSO!

    HOMEWORK: Be prepared to identify the top 5 best, and bottom 5 worst, Tom Berenger movies (for next week’s frivolity)!

    • 46 min
    Episode 180: This Podcast Really Should Be Weekly…

    Episode 180: This Podcast Really Should Be Weekly…

    We’re not a biweekly show, we promise!  It just seems that way sometimes…like this week, when we are bringing you:



    * Discussing the passing of Justice Ginsburg and potential implications of the Amy Coney Barrett nomination for national security and rule of law cases

    * Breaking down the separate opinions enjoining IEEPA sanctions against WeChat (on First Amendment grounds) and TikTok (on IEEPA exception grounds)

    * The FISC’s 2019 Section 702 certification opinion and ongoing issues of compliance

    * The Ninth Circuit’s Moalin decision (finding statutory and Fourth Amendment problems with Section 215 bulk metadata collection)

    * Trump’s taxes: could someone with that sort of debt normally get a security clearance?

    * Annals of the Bowe Berghdahl case: a military judge who had an eye on an immigration judgeship

    * A new judge for the 9/11 trial



    But skip all that if you are in the middle of debate prep, for we also have…a BINGO CARD for tonight!

    • 1 hr 24 min
    Episode 179: This Podcast Is “Considerably Recalibrated”

    Episode 179: This Podcast Is “Considerably Recalibrated”

    So we took a week off without warning because, you know, 2020.  But we’re back, and we sure don’t lack for things to discuss and debate!  Tune in as co-hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney weigh in on:



    * The NY Times story reporting a request from AFRICOM to expand targeting authorities involving al Shabaab in Kenya in particular.

    * The President’s denial, and then confirmation, that he favored trying to kill Bashar al-Assad.

    * DOJ launching a criminal investigation of former National Security Advisor John Bolton.

    * DOJ moving to interpose the U.S. government as defendant in a defamation suit stemming from President Trump’s answer to questions relating to rape allegations.

    * A federal judge’s decision to invoke Lochner (!!!) en route to declaring various Pennsylvania public health measures unconstitutional.

    * Whether the military can subject a person to court martial for an offense allegedly committed prior to a break in service, where the person already was prosecuted (unsuccessfully) in a state court.

    * The latest twists and turns with TikTok and WeChat under IEEPA and CFIUS



    And the Mandalorian trailer…OMG OMG OMG

    • 1 hr 14 min
    Episode 178: What Would Robert Jackson Do?

    Episode 178: What Would Robert Jackson Do?

    We are back after a week off, and apparently your co-hosts used the extra time to sharpen disagreements about old school topics like … GTMO!  Tune in for:



    * An extended debate over the D.C. Circuit’s Al Hela decision, including everything from the scope of the NDAA FY’12 detention provisions to the applicability of the Due Process Clause at GTMO

    * A shorter discussion of similar issues that also arose last week in the district court’s ruling in Uthman

    * About the Hatch Act….I mean, good heavens.



    We also include a Chadwick Boseman appreciation, in lieu of our usual frivolity.  And it somehow turns into a discussion of deep fakes, too.

    • 1 hr 13 min
    Episode 177: This Podcast Does Not Have a Navy

    Episode 177: This Podcast Does Not Have a Navy

    We are back with a new episode, bringing you respectful disagreements and discussion–not to mention heaps of frivolity–about the latest national security law news.  This week, co-hosts Steve Vladeck and Bobby Chesney discuss:



    * Attorney General Barr’s offer to eschew the death penalty in order to enable the UK to provide the US with inculpatory evidence against the two Islamic State “Beatles” detainees currently in US military custody…and his promise that they mean will be transferred to Iraq for prosecution if this doesn’t occur by October 15.

    * The GAO’s legal memo concluding that the senior-most DHS officials do not hold their positions lawfully (thanks to the distinction between regular and “catastrophic” vacancy scenarios)

    * The United States Postal Service strikes back…through the law enforcement officers in its Inspection Service.  Didn’t know that was a thing?  Neither did Steve Bannon, most likely, but that’s who arrested him…

    * The Fifth Circuit won’t show its cards with respect to whether the all-male military draft rule remains constitutional given that the role of women in the military has changed so much since Rostker…will SCOTUS take the case though?

    * Some National Security Division updates



    All that, plus 80s soundtrack frivolity!

    • 1 hr 7 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
515 Ratings

515 Ratings

mandrie1 ,

Such a relief

So it’s weird ,I know , to look forwarded to a pod cast for relief from our daily stress, especially one called the National Security Law, but this is it.

wvrgrl ,

Love these guys

And I learn a lot . Non Texan, non lawyer and old enough to remember Truman vs Dewey. Please keep going until they come for you. 😂🤣

BackBlast0999 ,

Some sanity in an insane world.

I have listened for several years. I truly appreciate the well reasoned comments and discussion of what ever topic is at hand. I look to this podcast for a deeper understanding of events as they unfold. Not a lawyer but the discussion both are enlightening and insightful.
Sure would like to take the security law class.
I want to thank you both and the school for providing this gift. There are to many episodes that were amazing to pick just one.

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