The Third Way Jess Mally

In this episode, Jess is joined by their friend, chosen family and comrade Jo Becker. Jo and Jess met at a Civil Resistance training course a few years back and have been in each others lives since. Jo (they/she) is currently doing their PhD in the field of autonomous spaces, prefigurative politics and degrowth. This is grounded in political organising bringing anti-hierarchical, abolitionist and climate justice perspectives/praxis together.
They can be reached as @treesnpeace on Instagram or @josephinebeckr on twitter - they use both platforms to chat politics, usually in form of anger and rage at what is happening in the world.
In this episode they cover so much ground - from imagining different economies and worlds, to the importance of true solidarity, to their different thoughts on how to call people into the work of social change and their shared passion and belief that things don’t have to be this way.
Sources mentioned in the episode:

Bell Hooks - The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and LoveSome orgs that run book clubs:Abolitionist FuturesEveryday Racism BookclubNetpol copwatch and anti-raids groups/trainingJess Antiracism course - https://www.jessmally.com/eventsFind a Soup Kitchen in London
Healthy Humans Open Forum Sign Up Link 
Follow and engage with Jo’s work:
Instagram
Twitter
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Music and production by Finlay Mowat


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In this episode Jess is joined by the author, broadcaster and social advocate Yassmin Abdel-Magied. They both happened to be in NYC for various reasons and decided to get together to record this long awaited episode. They cover so much - from Yassmin's advocacy and organising work, her writing, the role her faith plays in her work and the balance between organising offline and online. They talk about healthy as a groundedness and rootedness, about holding opinions lightly and the importance of being willing to change and so much more. They also touched on Yassmin's advocacy work for Sudan - links to learn more and get involved in amplifying Sudanese voices below!
Sudan:
eyesonsudan.net
Connect with Yassmin:
Website
IG
TikTok
Yassmin's Books
Yassmin's Substack piece

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TW: Racism, suicidal ideation
In this episode, Jess Mally interviews Andre Henry, bestselling author, award-winning musician, and activist based in Los Angeles. 
Jess and Andre cover so much ground in this conversation - from Andre’s journey into activism, including their awakening to systemic racism, their studies and exploration of armed struggle vs nonviolent resistance as a strategy, what healthy means to them and how our movement spaces desperately need to centre care, community and relationships to sow a better future into the soil of today.
Andre shares vulnerably and openly about their own journey with depression, the way out and how that journey taught them - among other things - how the body is a key strategic battleground in the work of liberation. 
It’s an incredible conversation, but it ain't short ;) so grab a cuppa or listen in two parts - we promise it’s worth it!
Books and Resources mentioned:
All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep - Andre Henry
Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi
The Greater Good Science Center
Connect with Andre:
Join Andre’s newsletter via the website 
IG @theandrehenry
Andre’s podcast - Hope and Hardpills Podcast 
Register for An Introduction to Anti-racism:
www.jessmally.com/events
Jess' Patreon here
Find us on IG:
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Jess Mally
Music and production by Finlay Mowat

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In this episode, Jess is joined by Ani Zonneveld, founder and President of Muslims for Progressive Values (MPV), an international human rights organization that advocates for social justice and equality for all. In this conversation, Ani shares about her journey from being a Grammy Award winning singer-songwriter to founding MPV, her thoughts on the intersection of faith and social justice and why she has committed to framing all her work from compassion and love.
Connect with Ani:
Ani's personal website (including links to her music)
MPV Website
Facebook
X: @AniZonneveld
IG: @AniZonneveld
Muslims For Progressive Values
Ani's Op Ed mentioned in the conversation
Purple Check Mark


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In this episode, Jess is joined by Suhaiymah Manzoor-Khan, a poet and writer whose work disrupts assumptions about history, race, violence and knowledge.
From interrogating our intentions, to moving past feeling unable to move and act at all, they explore the role of a divine gaze in our social change work. Suhaiymah shares beautifully about her faith and how it impacts her work, about her work with the Nejma collective and so much more. Finally, they land on the idea that we are all here for a reason, all have our part to play and can start wherever we are right now.
Names referenced - learn more:
Talal Assad
Rumi
Saba Mahmoud 
www.suhaiymah.com
IG - @thebrownhijabi 
X - @thebrownhijabi 
Connect with and support the Nejma Collective:
IG - @NejmaCollective
X - @NejmaCollective
Website
Register for An Introduction to Anti-racism:
www.jessmally.com/events
The Yikes Pod Ep
Follow these journalists who are reporting straight from Gaza:
Motaz Azaiza
Bisan
Plestia Alaqad
Resources to learn more about what’s happening in Palestine / Israel:
Daniel B Mate IG Live (it’s long but I highly recommend it)
Palestine Academy 
Resources to make your voices heard for the people of Gaza:
Email your MP with this template
Palestinian Youth Movement (find out about rallies)
Jess' Patreon here
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Jess Mally
Music and production by Finlay Mowat

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In this episode, Jess is joined by the powerhouse sisters and Anti-Racism educators Naomi and Natalie. 
From the beginnings of their platform @everydayracism_ , the UK’s largest anti-racism platform on social media, to what racism actually means and what anti-racism requires of us in practice.
Naomi and Natalie expand on how their understanding of anti-racism requires an analysis of capitalism, coalition building across lived experiences an intersectional approach and actively imagining a different world. 
Connect with Naomi and Natalie:
Everyday Racism website
Everyday Racism Instagram 
Natalie Evans Instagram
Naomi Natasha Evans Instagram 
Everyday Racism threads account

Sign the petition:
Sign the racial literacy training petition 
Sign up to Jess' Patreon here
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Jess Mally
Music and production by Finlay Mowat
Other links:
Parable of the Sower - Octavia Butler
Why I No Longer Talking to White People About Race - Reni Eddo-Lodge
The body is not an apology - Sonya Renee Taylor
An Introduction to Anti-racism Course by Jess


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