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The Waves is a weekly conversation about news and culture examined through the lens of gender and feminism. Every other Thursday, join the hosts—Slate staff writer Christina Cauterucci, Marcia Chatelain of Georgetown University, Thirst Aid Kit's Nichole Perkins, and Slate Podcasts' June Thomas—for frank discussions about the ways gender shapes everything. Our new name reflects generations of women from the various waves of feminism, the sound waves that carry us to your ears, and the waves we intend to make.

The Waves: Gender, Relationships, Feminism Slate Magazine

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The Waves is a weekly conversation about news and culture examined through the lens of gender and feminism. Every other Thursday, join the hosts—Slate staff writer Christina Cauterucci, Marcia Chatelain of Georgetown University, Thirst Aid Kit's Nichole Perkins, and Slate Podcasts' June Thomas—for frank discussions about the ways gender shapes everything. Our new name reflects generations of women from the various waves of feminism, the sound waves that carry us to your ears, and the waves we intend to make.

    Waving Goodbye for Now

    Waving Goodbye for Now

    For The Wave’s final episode before a temporary but indefinite hiatus, Christina, June, Marcia, and Nichole have a coronavirus check-in and talk about inequalities amplified by the pandemic. They also review Feel Good, a semi-autobiographical series on Netflix from comedian Mae Martin. Finally, the panel discusses who they want Joe Biden to select as his running mate, who they think he should pick, and who they think he will choose.   

    In Slate Plus: Is it sexist that liquor stores are considered essential businesses, if excessive alcohol consumption is linked to domestic abuse and reports of domestic violence have increased since many people are staying at home?
    Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on The Waves each week, and no ads. Sign up now to listen and support our work.
    Other Items Discussed: 
    Stop Trying to Be Productive by Taylor Lorenz
    Sitting on the Couch Is My New Favorite Hobby by Josh Gondelman
    The Trapped-at-Home Mother by Emily Gould 
    The “All-Consuming” Emotional Labor Caused by Coronavirus—and Shouldered by Women by Andrea Flynn 
    How Coronavirus Is Affecting Surrogacy, Foster Care and Adoption by David Dodge

    Recommendations:

    Nichole: Bestiary: Poems by Donika Kelly 
     
    Marcia: A Field Guide to American Houses (Revised): The Definitive Guide to Identifying and Understanding America's Domestic Architecture by Virginia Savage McAlester.  

    June: Tommy, the CBS police procedural. 
     
    Christina: Cats, yes - that Cats. The 2019 movie adaptation of the famous Andrew Lloyd Webber musical. 

    Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com.

    Podcast production by Rosemary Belson. Production assistance by Cleo Levin.
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    • 1 hr 7 min
    ERA Cosplay

    ERA Cosplay

    On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, June, Marcia, and Nichole talk to Emily Oster about pregnant women choosing to give birth at home instead of going to hospitals during the pandemic. They also discuss parenting visibility and additional labor while working from home. Then, they review FX’s new show Mrs. America, the story of the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) and the countermovement headed by Phyllis Schlafly. Finally, the panel discusses the sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden.

    In Slate Plus: Is the treatment of coronavirus task force member Dr. Deborah Birx sexist?
    Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on The Waves each week, and no ads. Sign up now to listen and support our work.

    Other Items Discussed: 
    “For Pregnant Women Who Are Scared of Hospitals Right Now, Is Switching to Home Birth Better?” by Emily Oster. 
    “Biden accuser Tara Reade: "I wanted to be a senator; I didn't want to sleep with one"” by Katie Halper. 
    “Has Deborah Birx Crossed the Line?” by Tim Murphy. 

    Recommendations:
    Marcia: Chisholm '72: Unbought & Unbossed, the historical documentary about Shirley Chisholm’s campaign for the Democratic Party presidential nomination.  

    June: The BBC podcast, Natalie Haynes Stands Up for the Classics.
     
    Christina: Learning to cut hair and investing in a good pair of clippers.  

    Nichole: Fiction DB, a database that allows users to search for fiction by subject, genres, subgenres, author, title, ect. Plus, once you’ve located the title, order the book through a local independent bookstore. 

    Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com.

    Podcast production by Rosemary Belson. Production assistance by Cleo Levin.
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    • 1 hr 9 min
    Coronavirus Everywhere

    Coronavirus Everywhere

    On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, June, Marcia, and Nichole discuss being cooped up at home during coronavirus. Then, they review the new Hulu show Little Fires Everywhere, based on the 2017 novel by Celeste Ng. Finally, the panel discusses Sarah Viren’s New York Times Magazine piece “The Accusations Were Lies. But Could We Prove It?”

    In Slate Plus: Is it sexist to tell a woman she’s “really blossomed” since getting divorced? Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on The Waves each week, and no ads. Sign up now to listen and support our work.

    Other items discussed on the show:

    “How to WFH With Your Partner Without Killing Each Other,” by Christina Cauterucci in Slate.

    “Life Inside the Title IX Pressure Cooker,” by Sarah Brown in the Chronicle of Higher Education.

    Radiooooo, a site where you can listen to music from different decades. 


    Recommendations:

    Marcia: “Advice From a Prepper Mom on Surviving the Unthinkable,” by Mira Ptacin. 

    June: The Arne & Carlos Daily Quarantine Knitting Podcast. 

    Christina: Flour Water Salt Yeast: The Fundamentals of Artisan Bread and Pizza by Ken Forkish. 

    Nichole: The Screen Time feature on your phone. 

    Send your comments and recommendations on what to cover to thewaves@slate.com.

    Podcast production by Rosemary Belson.
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    • 1 hr 8 min
    Outward: COVID, AIDS, and Community

    Outward: COVID, AIDS, and Community

    This month, Christina, Bryan, and Rumaan look at comparisons between the COVID-19 pandemic and AIDS with Alphonso David, president of the Human Rights Campaign. Then they conduct a post-mortem on Pete Buttigieg with DC lawyer and Pete supporter Brooke Clagett.
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    • 59 min
    Nevertheless, Misogyny Persisted

    Nevertheless, Misogyny Persisted

    On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, June, Marcia, and Nichole discuss how we got to such a white, male set of options for President. Then, they dive into the gendered responses to coronavirus. Finally, the panel discusses a new movie about abortion: Never Rarely Sometimes Always. 
    In Slate Plus: Is It Sexist that Tulsi Gabbard has been treated like a joke and left out of mainstream assessments of the race?
    Slate Plus members get a bonus segment on The Waves each week, and no ads. Sign up now to listen and support our work.
    Other items discussed on the show: 
    Coronavirus: Five ways virus upheaval is hitting women in Asia by Lara Owen in the BBC
    69 Percent of Men Don’t Wash Their Hands After Using the Bathroom?! by Amanda in The Cut


    Recommendations: 
    June: A Taste Of Honey (1961) 
    Nichole: So We Can Glow by Leesa Cross-Smith 
    Marcia: Freethinker, Sex Suffrage, an the Extraordinary Life of Helen Hamilton Gardener by Kimberly A. Hamlin 
    Christina: The city of La Paz, Baja California Sur, Mexico 
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    • 1 hr 2 min
    Love In a Pod

    Love In a Pod

    On this week’s episode of the Waves, Christina, June, Marcia, and Nichole discuss the Harvey Weinstein trial verdict. Then, they dive into the reality show Love Is Blind. Finally, the panel interviews artist Tatyana Fazlalizadeh about her book Stop Telling Women to Smile. 

    In Slate Plus: Is it sexist to call woman in the workplace “helpful”?

    Other items discussed on the show: 

    “The Weinstein Verdict Is Both a Victory and a Disappointment,” by Christina Cauterucci in Slate.  

    Recommendations: 

    Marcia: The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks, by Jeanne Theoharis.

    June: Portrait of a Lady on Fire. 

    Christina: “I Don’t Want to Be the Strong Female Lead,” by Brit Marling in the New York Times.  

    Nichole: Murder, She Wrote.
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    • 1 hr 6 min

Customer Reviews

4.2 out of 5
776 Ratings

776 Ratings

NDJOHNS ,

New hosts still good

I am shocked by the racism in these comments about Nicole. I enjoy the perspectives of the hosts and the diversity of view points. I know some balk at the “wokeness” of the new lineup but I say - Amen. I don’t always agree with the opinions expressed by the panel but isn’t that the point, to be challenged and hear different perspectives? Unsubscribe racists.

Kmccrom ,

I miss The Waves!

I listened to this from the get go and found it consistently intelligent, illuminating, and fun. I hope Slate brings it back soon.

fem80 ,

longtime listener, and still love it

the hosts had mentioned all the hate, and at first i felt guilty for emailing in from time to time with a strong reaction to a discussion especially since i'd never get a response. but reading the reviews going back in time to the transition in hosts to the current lineup clarified for me that i'm definitely not part of that hate mail. i have to say reading these comments saddens me as another example of women hating on women (i'm still grappling with that happening in politics)... i would agree that the 4 hosts took some time to get into a groove, as well as that some hosts have some ticks, but i've never felt that the show would get 1 start for these growing pains. i'll admit that Nicole does push my buttons in her antagonism towards white people - but i try to give her the benefit of the doubt since it is difficult to handle race issues, and i look at her role on the show as the realtime perspective of the gen x/older millenial black community. Christina has a strong leadership personality, but she's very authenthic, articulate and informed, even though i don't always agree with her perspective. overall the show is still my favorite podcast, and i hope it will have a bright future.

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