Unquenchable: Biblical Theology, Listening Prayer, and Christian Living Dr. Don Love and Pray Through It Ministries

Welcome to season 2! Jen and Don overview what has been going on as Pray Through It grows into a non-profit ministry and what to expect for this season of Unquenchable.



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Transcript: Unquenchable Podcast: Season 2 EP 0: Intro and Overview of Season 2



[00:00:00] Don Love: Welcome to season two of Unquenchable equipping and inspiring you and your church to discover prayer practices that renew hearts and minds.



[00:00:08] A lot has happened since last season among other things Pray Through It is now a 501(C)3 nonprofit. And along with that comes more retreats and trainings. And we've now started a Prayer Leader Collective online and in person where listening and inner healing, prayer leaders meet monthly to learn from notable inner healing and deliverance ministers.



[00:00:28] And now we're gearing up to launch our own residential and Online Prayer School.



[00:00:33] My name's Don Love, and I'm here today with my bride of almost 20 years and my ministry partner, Jennifer Love to give you a sneak peek into season two of unquenchable.



[00:00:43] Jennifer Love: Hello



[00:00:44] Don Love: if you listened to last season, you know that Jen and I are listening and inner healing, prayer leaders who came out of a conservative Christian background that didn't really talk about the listening side of prayer, let alone inner healing or deliverance. Although we had both been trained in biblically-grounded [00:01:00] universities and seminaries that spoke about the role of the holy spirit in a theological way. We were taught very little about the practical side of his role and the role that listening and inner healing prayer can play in our Christian lives.



[00:01:14] Jennifer Love: Last season's focus was on how our paradigm shifted as our lives and the lives of those. We prayed through things with experience, deep inner healing and intimacy with Christ through prayer. And we will never be the same. It's revolutionized the way that we view what it means to have a personal relationship with Jesus and how we've gone about to minister, to others.



[00:01:31] Don Love: All that was happening was very much in line with the stories and teachings of scripture. What one might expect if they took the Bible. Several times a week, we would see people experienced breakthrough that they thought would never come, through prayer. And the college students we were praying with were going out right after their prayer sessions with little or no training and we're seeing similar breakthroughs with their friends and relatives as they lead them in similar ways. It was almost as though their realization [00:02:00] that a sustained and expectant two-way conversation with God was all that was needed for them to pray through things with others.



[00:02:08] Jennifer Love: Back then, we hadn't really heard about other prayer approaches that were coming out of other denominations. Some that you may have heard of like Emmanuel Prayer, Theophostic Prayer Transformation Prayer, Christian Healing Ministries, Restoring the Foundations, SOZO, HeartSync. There's many of them out there! We hadn't heard of them. And so we were under the impression that listening and inner-healing prayer is not something that really requires training. It's something that anybody can do and they should do. And so we were kind of hesitant to study these approaches because it seemed as though they were imposing an unnecessary structure on prayer. But in hindsight, much of what was coming naturally to us was very much a part of the things that God was already doing in these various schools of prayer that we're spanning across every denomination. And as we would learn later, unknowingly,

Jay Breish recounts how a prayer session that helped him to process his daughter's near-death experience, led him to not only reconsider the way that he views and approaches God in prayer, but also the way that he led a residential home for troubled teens and their families. 



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Season 2 Ep 1: God is a Good Father



[00:00:00] Jay Breish: One of my children was very, very sick and we didn't know if they were going to live. It was in those storms when I was seeking him that I began to recognize how he was speaking. God connected me with someone who was familiar with listening and inner healing, prayer. They prayed with me and I saw some radical transformations in a moment from that time of prayer. It gave me permission to say, I can talk to God about anything. And it doesn't have to just be me whining and complaining and begging and pleading and hoping. It could be, maybe, God actually does want to give me the desires of my heart.



[00:01:04] Don Love: Scripture tells us to taste and see the God is good. And as we pray through things with folks, we're finding confirmation that God is a good father who wants to speak to his children. Even before salvation, his spirit is working in our hearts to draw us to himself. He's there gently waiting to carry our burdens and to give us life. My name is Don Love and today I've invited Jay Breish to join us, to share a bit about how his daughter's illness and a listening and inner healing prayer session led him to uncover the lies he was believing about himself, and God and how this new understanding of prayer rippled out into the counselors in this counseling ministry and the troubled teens they ministered to. Jay's someone we got to know over the last year. And I got to say, I really love this guy. He's a counselor at heart, and I've watched him time and time again, as he and his wife come to the rescue of those in need, helping folks process life through. They seem to be especially gifted when it comes to helping people in crisis mode, bringing joy into the situation as they meet each urgent need. This makes sense because he and his wife, Hannah spent many years ministering at a residential home for troubled youth. So Jay, welcome to the show.



[00:02:15] Jay Breish: Thanks for having me. It's good to be here.



[00:02:17] Don Love: Jay, would you tell us a bit about how you came to discover listening and inner healing prayer in your own life?



[00:02:24] Jay Breish: Yeah. You know, , it's kind of a long story. When I think about it, we have a tendency to say, oh, well, on this day, this is what the Lord did in my life. But the Lord has been stirring me. And speaking to me and with me and guiding me since I was a child. And I don't think that's unusual for us. I just think that most of the time we don't recognize it. Yeah. , so I grew up in a Bible believing conservative church, wonderful men and women of God taught us the importance of scripture and I grew up in that environment where people look to the word of God for their truth and their direction. And that's great. And that is true. And yet, sometimes we miss the intimate guidance and direction that God has provided for us by, indwelling us with his Holy Spirit. He's called the comforter and the guide, the counselor. And so I didn't have a whole lot of training in that growing up and yet I look back and somehow God was directing me ministering to me. Refocusing me in the midst of life's challenges and storms. I just wasn't aware of it until much later. So, for me, the journey actually began more with, I think, identity and learning who I am as a son and who he is as a good father and the gifts and the inheritance that come with that beyond just salvation and beyond, just His written word,

Alan was among the pastors at the Word and Spirit Conference in Tennessee (Season 1 Ep 20) where Don first led Pastors to listen in prayer who quickly adopted and adapted Don's approach into his own church. Now years later,i Don and Jen meet up with Alan and Raylene Kraft as they share how they came to understand the role that listening in prayer can and should play in prayer and how the role of Holy Spirit and listening prayer have grown to take a more central focus in their church's ministry. 



Note: Alan Kraft is the Pastor of Christ Community Church in Greeley Colorado and the Author of More: When Just a Little of the Spirit is not Enough and Raylene Kraft is a leader of Hope Abounds Ministry.



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Alan and Raylene Kraft with Hope Abounds Ministry in Greeley Colorado



[00:00:00] Raylene Kraft: I had already been on this journey of just realizing God actually speaks and that prayer is a dialogue and not just a list. I still remember the guy we prayed for the first time we kind of started this and it was this cowboy kind of manly man. And, he left the session and it was really cool, but then we cleaned up and kinda did the room and then as we were leaving, he was still out in the parking lot. Jumping and dancing around his pickup, shouting I hear from God, and I thought, yes, you do. We all do. And so that's just been our journey of just wanting to help other people experience that.



[00:01:25] Don Love: Hello. I'm Don love the host of unquenchable, and this is my bride ministry partner and Co-host Jennifer Love.



[00:01:32] Jennifer Love: That's Me! We've finished last season, talking about ministry to pastors. As we had a short prayer session, we led at a pastors conference in Tennessee. You can go back and listen to episodes 19 and 20 to hear some of the testimonies that came out of that conference.



[00:01:46] Don Love: That conference was three years ago now. And Jen and I just finished our 10 day Pray Through It tour through Colorado, where we followed up with these pastors from season one. And on this trip, helped their congregation to take the next steps by demonstrating and explaining the biblical basis for listening and inner healing prayer in their churches. In the next few episodes among other things, we'll be discussing a bit about how the growing understanding of these pastors practice of listening in prayer is reshaping the way that they and their people minister to one another. But before we introduce our guests today, we have a few upcoming events. In March, we have a soul care retreat and a castle in Lexington, North Carolina.



[00:02:25] Jennifer Love: In April, we have a women's retreat in Lynchburg, Virginia,



[00:02:28] Don Love: And keep an eye out for details about an in-person pray through training coming up in may.



[00:02:34] Jennifer Love: You can check out, Pray Through It.com for details. And while you're listening, why not help us to reach others by giving us a five star view, and maybe writing a sentence or two telling others what they can expect to get from listening to the show. Last season. I mentioned that we had the privilege of staying at the house of Alan Kraft. He's the lead pastor of Christ community church in Greeley, Colorado, and the author of More: When Just a Little of the Spirit is Not Enough. What we didn't mention was that Alan was among the pastors that we prayed through things with at that conference in Tennessee.



[00:03:02] Don Love: At that time, I didn't know who he was, nor that he and his wife Rayleen were well on their way to lead their church, to practice in their own approach, to listening and inner-healing prayer. What perhaps amazes me the most about Alan is how engaged...

Jeff Foote, one of the Pastors from season 1 episode 20, looks back on his journey as someone who was formerly open but skeptical about the work of the Spirit and how his Pray Through It session   has not only freed him to better lead as a Pastor and teach his people about the Spirit's role today, but also has reawakened his musical creativity.



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[00:00:00] Jeff Foote: I'm a pastor's kid. I've known the scripture. I'm a Timothy award winner in Awana. I've grown up with it all. I have good little boy syndrome sometimes, but similar to you, I was studying the scriptures and realizing there are things here, both implicit and explicit  that say I should be experiencing more of a conversational relationship with the Holy Spirit.  When it comes to the theology of the Holy Spirit in the tradition I come from, the phrase is open, but cautious. I've never been open, but cautious about Christology. Was Jesus fully God fully, man, I don't know I'm going to be open, but cautious. Like, no, you, you discern what the scripture teaches and then you live there. And I was on this journey of saying, you know, I'm a word centered guy, authority of scripture alone, Sola scriptura. But if it teaches a theology of the Spirit that I'm not living, then I have bad theology. .



[00:01:23] Don Love: If you have been following us since last season, you'll remember the testimony from Jeff foot. One of the pastors that we pray through things with three years ago, here's a clip of his testimony from last season to jog your memory.



[00:01:38] Jeff Foote: I'm not a cessationist but I am skeptical. I've been a pastor over 20 years. I've been in a lot of counseling sessions. I've been trained in biblical counseling. This was the best counseling I've ever had. And he never asked me any counseling questions. This weird family story came back to me. And I thought this is weird. I didn't want it to be like throwing in. Tell me about your mom telling you about your dad. Like daddy wounds because I don't have those. I was raised in a very godly home. But it kind of threw this story out and immediately he said, okay, Jesus help them understand this story, why is this significant? Why did it come to mind now? And I'm like, well, I'm thinking to myself, he came to my now because I had to say something. But in that exact moment, it was like a tidal wave, like a tsunami from the bottom of my soul. I finally had words for what my soul had been struggling with for 43 years. And I couldn't even get that next sentence out without just coming completely unglued. Because I knew that's the sentence. That was the phrase. So for me, again, I was suspicious, but open. I played along and then the Spirit gave my soul language. And that was my experience. And so. I immediately, I got to figure out how to do this and it was just a phenomenal thing. So, that's my story.



[00:03:06] Don Love: After Jeff and I prayed through things together, Jeff was open with his congregation about his struggles. He recounted how this prayer session helped and shaped the way that he ministered. And since then he has taken intentional steps to prepare his congregation, to be expectant in prayer. He used the term expectant prayer to describe the back and forth conversation with God, rather than listening prayer, because in his area, the term listening, prayer carried a connotation that was not at all what we mean when we talk about listening and inner healing, prayer, and even when, as far as to design and teach a course on the Holy Spirit, to help them better understand what the Bible has to say about the role of the Holy Spirit today. And so now as Jen and I come out three years later, his church had an unquenchable thirst to learn and grow and conversational prayer with the Lord. And now let's get to the interview.

How can Jesus say that it is better that He go away so that He could send His Spirit? Wouldn't Jesus in the flesh be better than a Spirit that you can't see or touch? This episode is a sample sermon on John 14 and 1 Thessalonians 5:16-19 that models how to discuss the role of the Holy Spirit today in relationship to prayer with conservative evangelical Christians and how to lead large groups to listen in prayer. 



This sample sermon models how our team helps conservative evangelical Christians to re-consider what the Bible has to say about the Role of the Holy Spirit and then in the same service model what it looks like for the Holy Spirit to lead, guide, teach, remind, and show things to come (Jn. 14-16).



Note: Prayer is located at: [00:27:09]-[00:34:35]



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The Holy Spirit and Prayer (Sample Sermon and Prayer)



[00:00:00] Don Love: This is the New Covenant. That's better than the Old Covenant! And it's not just about having the Bible. It's about having God with us, Emanuel, indwelling us. The Spirit of God is inside of us. There's something powerful about this. It's not just about Jesus dying for our sins that we can go to heaven someday, and we need to preach the gospel till he comes. It's about the Spirit of God, abiding in us and us in Him, it's not about just us moving into the father's house someday. It's us having fellowship with the Father and the Son through the Spirit until that day that we move into that house.



[00:00:58] Don Love: Part of our ministry at pray through it as speaking to conservative churches about prayer and the role of the Holy Spirit demonstrating the biblical foundation of conversational prayer (that's both speaking and listening in prayer). And how this listening in prayer is so essential to experience inner healing and intimacy with God Recently, what's been especially exciting is the churches that we have been speaking in more and more, are churches led by pastors whom first experienced life changed through praying through things with us, then planted seeds by unashamedly sharing their testimony of struggle and healing with their congregations, and then, at the proper time invited us not only to speak, but to begin helping to develop their prayer teams. You heard last episode from one of those pastors. In this episode, we want to share a sample sermon with you where we open up the Gospel of John and 1 Thessalonians to discuss the relationship between the role of the Holy Spirit and praying without ceasing. Then the sermon and the episode concludes as we model what it looks like to lead a whole church to listen in prayer, for the first time.



[00:02:08] Dale Pierce: You will be blessed this morning by this couple by what they have to bring I met Don probably four or five years ago now at one of the Word and Spirit gatherings in the free church in Knoxville. And we were doing some listening prayer together, and Don kind of stepped in and I was praying with Don over a man next to me. And as Don prayed, he was helping this man kind of unpack some of his things and reflecting with the father over some things that were going on in his heart. And I could hear things going on in my heart, reflecting on what this guy was saying as Don, was leading Him. And through that time, I actually was healed of some of the sin and brokenness that was in my heart as Don was praying for this guy. And that's where our friendship kind of kicked off. And Jen and I had been a part of some things that they've done with Christ Community up in Greeley. And so it's just a privilege to be able to have someone come who will help us lean into not only who the Holy Spirit is or how God wants to work in us through that,

The Joy and Pain of Motherhood (Sample Sermon)



Description: One ministry of Pray through it is that we help pastors and teachers in churches to consider how they might incorporate listening and inner-healing prayer into their teaching times in order to help shepherd their hearers to submit themselves to the Lord's application of scripture to their lives. In this episode, Don demonstrates how to integrate listening in prayer into a main Sunday sermon- inviting God into the conversation so that He might help those listening to apply His word on an individualized basis. 



This sermon examines the life of Mary as the mother of Jesus, demonstrating that motherhood is a challenge for everyone - especially as we see our children pushing away from us or when we experience prolonged singleness, miscarriage, barrens, or loss of a child. In the process, Don acknowledges common struggles many who dream of motherhood face as they look toward the reality of motherhood. And spends time praying through these issues which are often experienced, but seldom addressed from the pulpit.



Note: Prayers are located at: 00:02:45; 00:15:53; and 00:23:34. 



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[00:00:00] Don Love: Mothers tend to cover things pretty well. They can put on their Sunday dress and bring their family to church and you don't necessarily know the burdens that the mothers are carrying. You don't know the reason why they're so over-protective or overbearing or easily frustrated is because of the things that they're trying to protect you from that they went through in their own childhood. And they just haven't quite processed how do they protect you whenever they feel like no one else sees danger. So this Mothers Day, let's prayerfully take a posture of rejoicing for those who rejoice, but also mourning for those who mourn.



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[00:00:59] Jennifer Love: Last episode, we gave you a sample sermon modeling, the kind of lesson that our team has taught to conservative, biblically centered congregations, to help them to better understand the role of the Holy Spirit and the biblical foundation for conversational prayer (that's both speaking and listening in prayer). And we modeled what it looks like to lead a whole church to listen in prayer for the first time!



[00:01:19] And this episode will model how to incorporate listening in prayer during your Sunday sermon, helping your church family to apply the sermon on the spot, through listening and prayer. This sermon is one that Don just delivered in order to help prepare our church to better serve one another. And the unseen struggles that often surface during Mothers Day. I was encouraged that he addressed some of the hidden hurts that aren't often mentioned in a church service.



[00:01:40] And to hear feedback of mothers who were unexpectedly moved to have some healing conversations with their kids. Conversations, they didn't realize needed to happen, but that the Lord brought up to them in prayer. So whether you're listening as a mother, a son or daughter, or a pastor, and it's our hope that this sermon will help you not only reconsider how you approach Mothers Day, but also the role that listening in prayer could play in your church service, helping your church family to apply the message through prayer in a very personal way as we pray expectedly for the Lord to enter into the conversation.



[00:02:16] Don Love: Next week, if you haven't put it on your calendar, it's Mothers Day. Whether we be a mother or not, it might be helpful for us to look at one of the most famous mothers of all time, Mary, the mother of Jesus, and look at some of the interactions between Mary and Jesus throughout scripture. And I'm hoping that as we look through what it was like to raise Jesus,