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As I've said many times before, automation in recruiting and HR is inevitable. This means that every TA and HR leader should be thinking strategically about automation, its implications, and, most importantly, the value that it will add right now.

So what are the benefits of automation, and where and how should talent functions be automated?

My guest this week is Brandon Sammut, Chief People Officer at Zapier. Automation is in Zapiers corporate DNA, and they are successfully using it to drive their talent density strategy through automation in recruiting, onboarding, and skills development.

In the interview, we discuss:

What Talent Density means at Zapier and how they built it

Focusing on what is uniquely human

Being transparent about a remote-only employee experience

T shaped talent

Automated Onboarding

Using automation to solve hard problems and make things more personal at scale.

Experience design and empathy

Understand where to apply automation and where not to apply it.

Developing AI skills across the business

What will the future look like?

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It is becoming clear that job seekers' use of AI tools in the application process has profound implications for talent acquisition. Many employers report a significant increase in application volume, and there is a potential technology arms race as employers and job boards attempt to use AI to identify AI.
While this may help in the short term, it won't work in the long term, and is job seeker AI use even a bad thing?
My guest this week is expert job board consultant Alexander Chukovski. Alexander has been doing a deep dive into how job seekers use AI and its implications for recruiting. He has valuable insights about job seeker verification and its potential to create win-win situations for candidates, job boards, and employers.
In the interview, we discuss:

The implications of a new generation of AI-savvy job seekers

The different ways job seekers are using AI include

ATS integration

The drawbacks and risks for candidates using AI tools

A pointless tech "arms race."

Why is it difficult to spot the use of AI in CVs and applications?

How should the industry respond?

The rise of verification technology

What can be verified now and what might be possible in the future

The importance of job seekers owning their data

What does the future look like?

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Many aspects of how companies hire talent have been set in stone and unquestioned for decades. Even if Talent Acquisition wants to drive change, the power of accepted wisdom among hiring managers and the C-Suite is difficult to challenge. So what happens when the CEO of a business champions a completely different way of doing things?

My guest this week is Jeff Dewing, Group CEO at Cloudfm. Jeff's story is amazing, and his approach to business is encapsulated in the title of his book, "Doing The Opposite." When it comes to hiring, Jeff has challenged conventional wisdom around interviews and skills head-on with some spectacular results. I loved this conversation, and it is an absolute must-listen for everyone.

In the interview, we discuss:

Jeff's rollercoaster journey to get where he is today

Where everyone needs autonomy, mastery, and purpose

Why Cloudfm no longer use interviews in their hiring process and what they do instead of 

Removing the risk in hiring

Achieving a 95% recruitment retention rate

Individual career plans and ups killing

Giving people autonomy about how and where they work.

The office as a creative, problem-solving collaboration space

The impact AI will have on the future.

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Round Up is the monthly show on The Recruiting Future Podcast channel that highlights episodes you may have missed and gives my take on some of the key learnings from the guests.

Episodes mentioned in this Round Up:

Ep 604: Building Talent Pipelines With Internships

Ep 605: Can AI Be Biased? Legal Implications for Hiring

Ep 606: Empowering Gen Z & Building A Social Brand

Ep 607: AI Powered Talent Acquisition

Ep 608: Transforming HR

Ep 609: Building A Neuro-Inclusive Hiring Process

Ep 610: Future Skills

Scottish Meet Ups

AI Whitepaper

Recruiting Future YouTube channel

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It's becoming evident that we are at a critical pivot point for talent acquisition. While the debates around AI are sucking up most of the attention, massive shifts are happening in terms of the shelf life of skills, ongoing challenges with skills acquisition, and upskilling people for a very different future world of work.
So, how should employers think about skills, and how can talent acquisition gain the future focus it needs to drive organizational value?
My guest this week is Lisa Monteith, Head of Talent Acquisition and onboarding for HSBC UK. In our wide-ranging conversation, we talk about the skills challenges facing organizations and the importance of taking a long-term view.
In the interview, we discuss:

Current talent acquisition challenges

Selling work as a product

The shortening lifespan of skills

Providing easy access to learning

Total talent thinking

Learning agility, curiosity, and other skills for the future

Failing education systems and disappearing entry-level jobs

Individual responsibility for learning

Neuroinclusion in the recruiting process and the danger of homogenization

How does talent acquisition need to re-invent itself for the future?


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Somewhere between 15% and 20% of the population is neurodivergent. The majority have yet to receive a formal diagnosis, and a significant number of those with a diagnosis choose not to share it publically. Over the last few years, we've seen a growing number of employers taking steps to be more neuro-inclusive, which is great to see. However, there is still a long way to go with recruiting, as most hiring processes contain significant barriers for neurodiverse people. There is also a danger that the move to AI-driven recruiting may make things worse if neuro-inclusion isn't proactively prioritized.

So, what steps can employers take to embed neuro-inclusion in their recruiting processes effectively?

My guest this week is Tania Martin, a neuro-inclusion consultant who was previously Head of EY's Neuro-Diverse Centre of Excellence in the UK and Ireland. In our conversation, Tania discusses the shortcomings of the traditional recruiting process and how we can rethink it to be better for everyone.

In the interview, we discuss:

Harnessing neurodiversity in the workforce

How EY's Neuro-Diverse Centre of Excellence was set up

Why can making recruiting processes more neuro-inclusive be good for everyone?

Accessing untapped pools of talent

Intimidating job specs

Assessment and spiky profiles

Helping people to show their best selves during the interview process

Educating hiring managers

The role of technology

What will neuro-inclusion look like for future generations in the workforce?


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