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The AI CEO Podcast Host: Seema Alexander, Co-founder & President of Virgent AI | Co-Chair, DC Startup & Tech Week AI isn’t just another tool—it’s the next frontier of business. The AI CEO Podcast explores the intersection of AI, business strategy, and leadership, equipping CEOs, founders, and executives with the insights they need to navigate and leverage AI effectively. Hosted by Seema Alexander, Co-founder & President of Virgent AI—a company specializing in AI-powered solutions and AI agents—this podcast goes beyond the hype to break down how AI is transforming industries, leadership, and innovation. As Co-Chair of DC Startup & Tech Week, Seema is at the forefront of AI-driven business evolution, helping companies move from AI-curious to AI-powered. Each episode features CEOs, founders, AI experts, and industry leaders sharing real-world strategies and case studies on: ✅ AI adoption and implementation for business growth ✅ AI agents, automation, and next-gen AI technologies ✅ How AI is shaping leadership and decision-making ✅ AI-driven innovation and competitive advantage ✅ Ethics, governance, and responsible AI use ✅ The future of work and workforce transformation ✅ AI investments, ROI, and scaling AI initiatives Powered by Virgent AI, The AI CEO Podcast is your go-to resource for staying ahead in the AI revolution. Subscribe now and redefine what’s possible with AI! 🚀Produced by Legacy Sessions

  1. 2 DAYS AGO

    AI CEO Podcast: Is Responsible AI the New DEI? I Uvika Sharma + Padmani Soni

    Why Most AI Projects Fail w/ Uviks Sharma & Padmini Soni 📌Make sure to check out Asian Women Advancing AI https://awaai.org/ In this week’s episode of the AI CEO podcast, host Seema Alexander sits down with AI leaders Padmini Soni and Uvika Sharma to explore the multifaceted world of AI adoption, responsible AI development, and cultural inclusivity in AI. Padmini and Uvika, co-founders of the Asian Women Advancing AI community and leaders at the AI Leadership Institute, share insights from their extensive experience advising Fortune 500 companies and startups. They discuss the critical need for AI models that embrace global cultural nuances, the challenges of aligning AI strategies with business goals, and the importance of trust in AI-human interaction. The conversation delves into practical adoption hurdles such as data silos, change management, and the emerging roles AI literacy and education play for both employees and the next generation. The episode also touches on innovative AI use cases including predictive analytics, conversational agents, mental health applications, and preserving lost languages. As AI shapes the future of work and society, they emphasize the value of collaboration between humans and AI, responsible stewardship, and fostering inclusive, diverse AI ecosystems. Key takeaways AI adoption must align with clear business goals and include cross-functional teams early for effective change management.   Responsible AI requires cultural inclusivity to build trust and deliver relevant, human-centered solutions worldwide.   Data readiness and governance are foundational to AI success; treating data as a well-maintained product prevents data chaos.   AI literacy across organizational levels and age groups is essential to harness AI’s benefits while mitigating risks. 👉 In this episode (00:00) Introduction (01:35) Welcome to the AI CEO Podcast (02:37) Meet the Guests (05:58) The Importance of Trust in AI (12:13) Challenges in AI Adoption (22:19) The Future of AI: Predictions and Concerns (44:23) Opportunities for Entrepreneurs in AI (44:54) AI Training on Finished vs. Unfinished Code (46:27) The Importance of Data in AI (48:31) Data Governance and Integration (54:38) AI Literacy and Workforce Upskilling (01:00:00) AI in Education and Critical Thinking (01:06:13) Challenges of AI in the Workplace (01:12:02) Future of AI and Robotics (01:12:32) Rapid Fire Questions and Closing Remarks 🌎Reach out to Padmini and Uvika 🌎Reach out to Padmini and Uvika Padmini Soni ➛LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/padminisoni-ai ➛Founder of Rezonance AI  ➛Head of Responsible AI Growth at the AI Leadership Institute ➛Asian Women Advancing AI community co-founder Uvika Sharma ➛LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/uvika-sharma ➛AI & Data Strategist, Founder of Asian Women Advancing AI ➛AI 2030 🌎Reach out to Seema Ponda Alexander ➛CEO, Disruptive AI ➛Host, AI CEO Podcast ➛Managing Partner and Founder, AIBusinessCon (April 26) ➛Disruptive CEO Advisory https://www.disruptive.ceo/ LinkedIN: ➛https://www.linkedin.com/in/seemaalexander ➛IG: https://www.instagram.com/seemaalexander/?hl=en Love this episode!! Subscribe! 🎤 Podcast Studio: Legacy Sessions (DC) 🎤 Podcast post-production EZPZ Podcasting #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #FutureOfWork #AILeadership #ResponsibleAI #AIInBusiness #AIAdoption #AIInnovation #AITrust #AILiteracy #InclusiveAI #WomenInAI

    1h 23m
  2. Special Episode: GenX For AI or Against? (It's Not What You Think!) | The AI CEO Podcast

    22 AUG

    Special Episode: GenX For AI or Against? (It's Not What You Think!) | The AI CEO Podcast

    What does Gen Z really think about AI in school, cheating with ChatGPT, and the future of jobs? Their answers will shock you. 😳 In this special MINI edition of The AI CEO Podcast, host Seema Alexander sits down with Aria Ponda (11th grader, Winston Churchill HS) and Sareena Alexander (11th grader, Whitman HS) for an unfiltered, family edition conversation on how teens view AI. This episode gauged their candid insights on AI in education and dives into how students view AI tools—as both a potential form of cheating and a helpful research aid—along with the challenges teachers face in adapting to AI’s presence in the classroom. Aria shares insights from her own experience with AI in school projects and highlights the need for integrating AI responsibly and thoughtfully into education, including the concept of custom AI tools with safeguards. This episode offers a valuable glimpse into the evolving relationship between youth and AI technology, aiming to inform educators, business leaders, and anyone curious about the future of learning. 👉Key takeaways  Why Gen Z is skeptical of AI beyond ChatGPT The debate: Is using AI in homework cheating or efficiency? What schools and teachers must do to guide safe AI use Could AI tutors replace human ones? Fears about AI taking jobs vs. hopes for AI in medicine & social good High school teachers are generally resistant to or not yet embracing AI integration in classrooms. Custom AI tools with guardrails can help students use AI responsibly without cheating. There is a knowledge gap among students about how to effectively and ethically use AI technology. 👉 In this episode (01:08) High School Students' Perspective on AI (01:59) AI and Cheating in Education (02:23) Teachers' Attitudes Towards AI (03:43) Using AI as a Learning Tool (07:28) Concerns About AI in the Future  (15:02) The Role of AI in Future Jobs (16:15) Excitement and Skepticism About AI (17:35) Conclusion and Final Thoughts     🌎Reach out to Seema Ponda Alexander Disruptive AI  https://www.disruptive.ceo/ Follow Seema on LinkedIn for daily insights: linkedin.com/in/seemaalexander IG: @seemaalexander @theaiceopodcast   👉 If you’re a parent, educator, startup founder, edtech innovator, or business leader, this is a must-watch to understand how the next generation is really thinking about AI.   📌 Subscribe for more real conversations on AI, leadership, and the future of business: @AICEOPodcast   🎧 Loved this episode? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts — it helps more leaders discover conversations like this.   Production Studio: Legacy Sessions    #GenZ #AICEOPodcast #AIinEducation #ChatGPT #FutureOfWork #EdTech #AIForBusiness #edtech #aiandteens #teenagers

    19 min
  3. From a Billion Dollar AI Exit to AI’s Next Frontier with Sid Banerjee

    12 AUG

    From a Billion Dollar AI Exit to AI’s Next Frontier with Sid Banerjee

    From “Black Box” to Business Breakthroughs: Sid Banerjee on AI, Customer Experience & The Future of Agency DESCRIPTION: What happens when a billion-dollar founder who was building “AI” before it was even a buzzword sits down to talk about where it’s all headed? In this episode of The AI CEO Podcast, host Seema Alexander welcomes Sid Banerjee—founder of Clarabridge (acquired for $1B), former Chief Strategy Officer at Medallia, and Board Chair of Prolific—to unpack the future of customer experience, the rise of agentic AI, and the leadership mindset shifts every CEO will need to make. Sid reveals why AI today still operates like a “black box” and why transparency, data stitching, and multi-tech collaboration will define the next era. He shares the aha moment that changed how he saw AgTech, and why giving AI “true agency” could fundamentally reshape entire industries. But this isn’t just about technology—it’s about responsibility. Sid warns of AI’s dual-edged nature: its ability to increase profitability and efficiency, but also its potential to erode human connection or enable addictive, harmful experiences. From real-world Clarabridge case studies to the coming bot-to-bot economy, and from personalized hospitality experiences to why governance can’t wait 10 years, this conversation is a masterclass in building with foresight, precision, and impact. You’ll learn: Why AI customer experiences still “suck” and how to fix them The difference between tasks, to-dos, and true agentic action How to move from lagging metrics to leading indicators in CX The 4-part ROI framework for AI adoption When AI adoption will actually cross the chasm—and where first TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Intro 01:47 Meet Sid Banerjee 04:39 Why customer experience is still broken 10:45 The role of agentic AI 13:44 Clarabridge: Building before the AI hype 23:26 AI’s evolution in business 35:08 Precision + personalization in decision-making 38:25 The future of hospitality and personalization 41:23 Mattel, OpenAI & the ethics of AI in toys 45:14 Why AI governance can’t wait 50:39 Data privacy & security 55:03 The ROI framework for AI projects 58:44 Future predictions & rapid fire Connect with Sid: LinkedIn: Sid Banerjee Medallia: Sid’s Author Page Connect with Seema: Virgent AI: virgent.ai Disruptive CEO Advisory: disruptive.ceo LinkedIn: Seema Alexander Instagram: @seemaalexander 🎧 Loved this episode? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts — it helps more leaders discover conversations like this. Production Studio: Legacy Sessions

    1h 7m
  4. This AI Tech Cycle Isn’t Just Disrupting—It’s Shifting Humanity | Catherine McMillan | AI Collective

    1 AUG

    This AI Tech Cycle Isn’t Just Disrupting—It’s Shifting Humanity | Catherine McMillan | AI Collective

    Is this the end of work as we know it? Or the beginning of a new kind of freedom? In this provocative episode of The AI CEO Podcast, host Seema Alexander sits down with Catherine McMillan, founding director of the AI Collective — a global grassroots movement redefining the role of humans in the age of AI. What started in a living room is now a 70,000+ member movement across 25 cities and 7 countries, united by one mission: to center humanity in the AI revolution. Together, Seema and Catherine unpack: The moment Catherine knew ChatGPT was the “end of work as we know it” Why today’s students feel betrayed by traditional career paths How AI is erasing critical thinking — and what we must protect Why “taste, agency, and relationships” will define the next generation of leaders The real reason we need a new education system NOW This episode will challenge how you think about the future of work, technology, and your own role in shaping it. 👇 Whether you're a founder, policymaker, or just AI-curious — don’t miss this one. 🧠 What You’ll Learn: How AI is quietly collapsing traditional white-collar paths Why “digital natives” see this as the next civil rights movement The 3 human traits that AI can’t replace — and how to sharpen them How grassroots AI communities like AI Collective are shaping global policy and innovation ⏱️ Episode Timestamps: (00:00) Intro & setup (01:54) Who is Catherine McMillan? (04:30) Origin of the AI Collective (70K members globally) (10:55) The moment ChatGPT changed everything (21:56) Why taste, agency, and human connection matter more than ever (28:00) Education, creativity, and what we’re doing wrong (43:15) Why this isn’t just tech — it’s a humanity mission 📌 LINKS & RESOURCES: Catherine McMillan 🌐 AI Collective 🔗 LinkedIn Seema Alexander AI is Rewriting Business. I Work with CEOs Who Refuse to Be Disrupted—Ready to Lead in the AI Era. I speak, educate and build AI solutions to accelerate AI Adoption in businesses and industry safely and responsibily. 🌐 Host, The AI CEO Podcast 📈 Disruptive CEO Advisory 📲 LinkedIn 📸 Instagram 🎧 Like what you hear? 📩 Subscribe for future episodes 🌟 Leave a rating + review on Apple Podcasts 📢 Share this with a founder or business leader who needs to hear it

    1h 6m
  5. AI Legal Talk That Can Save You Millions I Ambur Smith + Cameron Powell

    23 JUL

    AI Legal Talk That Can Save You Millions I Ambur Smith + Cameron Powell

    ⚠️ If you think legal can wait until launch—you’re already behind. In this episode of The AI CEO, I sat down with powerhouse attorneys Ambur Smith (Founder, Ambur Smith Law) and Cameron Powell (Founding Partner, Deep Law) for a no-BS conversation on the legal landmines, ethical dilemmas, and massive opportunities AI is creating across startups, scaleups, and enterprise. We unpacked: • Why “automating innovation” can easily become “automating liability” • The IP, contract, and privacy red flags that kill valuation at due diligence • Why GenAI isn’t exempt from copyright—and what the courts actually look at • The myth of the AI-free workplace (spoiler: shadow AI is everywhere) • How to actually mitigate risk using AI as a legal tool (and yes—some lawyers use GPT in court) • What happens when an AI chatbot misquotes company policy in front of a judge 👀 • The biggest legal edge for founders in 2025 (hint: audit trail = valuation moat) Whether you’re a tech CEO, in-house counsel, or just trying to stay out of the headlines—this one’s essential. ⏱️ CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS (00:00) Introduction to the AI CEO Podcast (02:09) Meet the Expert Guests: ambur Smith and Cameron Powell (03:30) Legal Dynamics and AI (08:36) AI in Legal Practice: Tools and Trust (19:58) Challenges and Responsibilities in AI Adoption (45:11) Understanding AI in Legal Practice (46:03) Diverse Perspectives in Law and Technology (47:54) Use Cases: Successes and Failures (48:22) Risk Hierarchy and AI Implementation (50:38) Guardrails and Legal Research Tools (51:50) AI in Marketing and Real Estate (53:32) Innovations in Regulated Industries (55:30) Data Privacy and Ethical Considerations (57:54) Navigating Legal Risks in AI (01:13:25) The Future of AI in Legal Representation (01:20:29) Rapid Fire Questions and Final Thoughts 🔑 KEY TAKEAWAYS Liability-as-a-Service – Without legal vetting, your AI product isn’t a SaaS. It’s a ticking time bomb. Copyright ≠ AI Immunity – If your content was auto-generated, you may not own it—and can’t enforce it. Red Line Rule – If you didn’t revise the AI’s draft, you may not hold the copyright. Shadow AI Is Real – Banning AI tools doesn’t stop your team from using them (secretly). Trust, but Verify – From discovery tools to ChatGPT, the best lawyers use AI—just not blindly. Generalist Advantage – The most valuable legal minds are those who blend tech, product, and policy fluency. 🌐 LINKS & RESOURCES • Ambur Smith Law – https://ambursmithlaw.com • Deep Law (Cameron Powell) – [Insert Link] • Virgent AI (show sponsor) – https://virgent.ai • Seema Alexander – https://www.linkedin.com/in/seemaalexander 🙌 CONNECT WITH ME Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/seemaalexander Newsletter + consulting – https://www.disruptive.ceo/ ⭐️ ENJOYING THE SHOW? Smash the like button. Tap 5 stars on Apple Podcasts. Share this episode with someone launching an AI product today—before the lawsuits hit tomorrow.

    1h 28m
  6. AI Sees What You Miss: How Felipe Restrepo Predicts Your Purchase 8 Seconds Early

    16 JUL

    AI Sees What You Miss: How Felipe Restrepo Predicts Your Purchase 8 Seconds Early

    “If your focus group still needs pizza and a two-way mirror, you’re already outdated.” In this episode of The AI CEO I sit down with Felipe Restrepo—CEO & co-founder of Odaptos—to unpack the first ‘empathy-enabled’ AI that reads micro-expressions, voice tone, and body language to predict a purchase eight seconds before it happens. We talked about: • Why 90 % of customer truth is non-verbal—and how to capture it • Slashing research costs from $40K focus groups to a $400 AI sprint • The “camera-amnesia” signal that tells Odaptos you’ve forgotten you’re on film • Building a content engine straight from raw customer interviews (good-bye writer’s block) • The REAL future of AGI (hint: EQ > IQ) and which human skills become priceless • Ethical lines, biased data, and why regulated banks jumped in first Whether you’re a product lead at a Fortune 500 or a bootstrapped founder chasing product–market fit, this conversation will change how you think about research, marketing, and the next wave of AI. ⏱️ CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Intro — “Feelings vs. Words” 01:36 From France to Techstars: The origin of Odaptos 03:49 Emotions = Customer Experience Currency 08:05 Why focus groups fail (and what replaces them) 10:32 Industrializing research with AI 20:03 Case studies: Banks, insurers & 100× ROI 29:34 What emotional AI looks like in 2025 35:11 Secret sauce: Predicting a buy 8 s early 38:07 Building a moat in the age of copy-paste AI 42:16 Turning interviews into blogs, decks & ads 47:41 Zero-UI futures & “research agents” 53:36 Human skills that matter in 2030 57:26 Ethics, regulation & the path to EQ-GPT 1:04:43 Rapid-fire + final takeaways 🔑 KEY TAKEAWAYS Emotion > Opinion – People love products for how they feel, not what they do. Affordable at Scale – 20 interviews for $400 means weekly iterations, not annual bets. 8-Second Window – Odaptos spots the precise moment intent flips to action. Content Flywheel – Customer voice → AI summary → ready-to-post copy in minutes. EQ-GPT – The next intelligence leap isn’t bigger models, it’s emotionally aware ones. 🌐 LINKS & RESOURCES • Odaptos (Felipe’s company) – https://odaptos.com • Virgent AI (our show sponsor) – https://Virgent.ai • Felipe on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/felipelebrun/ • Seema Alexander on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/seemaalexander 🙌 CONNECT WITH ME Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/seemaalexander Newsletter + consulting – https://www.disruptive.ceo/ ⭐️ ENJOYING THE SHOW? If this episode sparked an aha-moment, tap 5 stars on Apple Podcasts and leave a one-sentence review—helps us land more game-changing guests like Felipe!

    1h 7m
  7. The AI Security Shift: What High-Growth Companies Know That Others Don’t I Jerome Johnson, AWS

    8 JUL

    The AI Security Shift: What High-Growth Companies Know That Others Don’t I Jerome Johnson, AWS

    AI Security Is Now a CEO Priority What high-growth companies already know about protecting their AI infrastructure, and why waiting could leave you behind. In this episode of The AI CEO Podcast, host Seema Alexander sits down with Jerome Johnson II, Director of Solutions Architecture, National Security & Defense at Amazon Web Services (AWS), to break down the future of AI security, agent-based cybersecurity, and why AI governance is no longer optional for scaling businesses. If you're a founder, CEO, or business leader navigating the rise of AI, this is your strategic briefing. 🔍 Topics Covered: AI security risks and what’s really changing Agent-based threats & autonomous systems AI governance, red buttons & model safety Data integrity, compliance & responsible AI The parallels between cloud and AI adoption How to protect your business in an AI-first future ⏱️ TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (01:50) Jerome Johnson on AI + Cybersecurity (04:04) Cloud vs. AI Adoption (07:14) The Urgency of AI for CEOs (19:57) Governance, Compliance, and Security Gaps (24:32) Future of AI-Powered Cybersecurity (44:44) Deepfakes, Digital Identity Theft, and Risk (52:46) Multi-Agent AI Ecosystems Explained (56:50) The AI-Powered Business Model (01:18:06) Rapid Fire Q&A (01:26:19) Final Takeaways 🎙 Guest: Jerome Johnson II Director, Solutions Architecture – National Security & Defense, AWS 🔗 Connect on LinkedIn 👤 Host: Seema Alexander Co-founder, Virgent AI | Disruptive CEO Advisory 🔗 Connect on LinkedIn 💡 Mentioned: Virgent.ai – AI consulting + implementation Disruptive CEO Advisory – Strategic business transformation 🎥 PRODUCTION: • Video Studio: Legacy Session – DC Studio • Post-Production: EZPZ Podcasting 📢 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe to get notified about future episodes! #AIsecurity #AIleadership #CybersecurityforCEOs #AIforBusiness #AgenticAI #AIgovernance #AItrust #EnterpriseAI #TheAICEOPodcast #ResponsibleAI #FutureofWork #AWS #SeemaAlexander

    1h 28m

  8. 29 JUN

    She Gave Her Team Permission to AI... You Won't Believe What Happened Next I Laura Seuschek, COO Wisewire

    She Gave Her Team Permission to AI… You Won’t Believe What Happened Next | Laura Seuschek, COO of WiseWire What actually happens when a COO tells her entire team: “You’re allowed to experiment with AI”? In this episode of The AI CEO Podcast, host Seema Alexander sits down with Laura Seuschek, Chief Operating Officer of WiseWire, a trailblazing edtech company reshaping how content is designed, delivered, and optimized using AI. Over the past two years, Laura has helped lead WiseWire through an intentional AI adoption journey—building internal capabilities, setting bold KPIs, and challenging her team to reimagine their roles. The result? Increased creativity, reduced operational costs, and a new level of team engagement. 🎯 What you'll learn: How to create a culture of AI experimentation—without chaos Why AI doesn’t make employees lazy, it makes them leaders The measurable impact of automation on team productivity and cost savings What every mid-sized company needs to know before scaling AI 🧠 If you're a founder, COO, or functional leader navigating AI integration, this episode will give you a practical playbook—and inspiration to act.   🌎Reach out to Laura Seuschek LinkedIN https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-seuschek Twitter https://twitter.com/lauraseus?lang=es Wisewire https://www.wisewire.com/for-teachers/   🌎Reach out to Seema Ponda Alexander Virgent AI: www.Virgent.ai LinkedIN: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seemaalexander IG: https://www.instagram.com/seemaalexander/?hl=en 📌Make sure to check out Virgent.ai https://virgent.ai/ and WiseWire https://www.wisewire.com/ 👉 In this episode (00:00) Coming Up Next (00:31) Welcome to the AI CEO Podcast (01:12) Introducing Laura WiseWire (03:03) The Impact of AI on Employee Productivity (06:24) Laura's Background and Journey (09:01) Wise Wire's Evolution and AI Integration (12:23) Implementing AI: Challenges and Strategies (16:21) Prototyping and Experimentation with AI (29:15) Operationalizing AI for Cost Savings and Efficiency (35:34) Building a Culture of Innovation (40:24) Startup Mentality in Established Organizations (41:27) AI's Role in Content Alignment (44:07) Cost and Efficiency of AI in Education (45:37) Shifting Employee Mindsets for AI Adoption (51:46) Transparency and Ethical Use of AI (01:00:08) Future of Learning and AI Integration (01:05:02) Empowering Learners with AI (01:18:45) Conclusion and Final Thoughts   Loved this episode? Leave us a review and rating on Apple podcasts by clicking here.  #AIAdoption #AITransformation #AIinBusiness #AIAutomation #AIIntegration 🎤 Production Studio: Legacy Sessions 🎤 Podcast post-production EZPZ Podcasting

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The AI CEO Podcast Host: Seema Alexander, Co-founder & President of Virgent AI | Co-Chair, DC Startup & Tech Week AI isn’t just another tool—it’s the next frontier of business. The AI CEO Podcast explores the intersection of AI, business strategy, and leadership, equipping CEOs, founders, and executives with the insights they need to navigate and leverage AI effectively. Hosted by Seema Alexander, Co-founder & President of Virgent AI—a company specializing in AI-powered solutions and AI agents—this podcast goes beyond the hype to break down how AI is transforming industries, leadership, and innovation. As Co-Chair of DC Startup & Tech Week, Seema is at the forefront of AI-driven business evolution, helping companies move from AI-curious to AI-powered. Each episode features CEOs, founders, AI experts, and industry leaders sharing real-world strategies and case studies on: ✅ AI adoption and implementation for business growth ✅ AI agents, automation, and next-gen AI technologies ✅ How AI is shaping leadership and decision-making ✅ AI-driven innovation and competitive advantage ✅ Ethics, governance, and responsible AI use ✅ The future of work and workforce transformation ✅ AI investments, ROI, and scaling AI initiatives Powered by Virgent AI, The AI CEO Podcast is your go-to resource for staying ahead in the AI revolution. Subscribe now and redefine what’s possible with AI! 🚀Produced by Legacy Sessions

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