Sounds of SAND

Science and Nonduality
Sounds of SAND

Sounds of SAND is a podcast from Science and Nonduality which contemplates and reveres the beauty, complexity, pain, and great mystery that weave the infinite cycles of existence. We explore beyond ultimate truths, binary thinking, and individual awakening while acknowledging humanity as a mere part of the intricate web of life. Episodes tap into SAND’s rich history and collaborative future by presenting talks, dialogs, interviews, readings, music, and recordings from SAND Conferences, events, and webinars weaving timeless wisdom and embodied experience. Let’s listen, learn, and share. ➡️ Find out more at scienceandnonduality.com 💌 Reach out to us at podcast@scienceandnonduality.com

  1. #110 Navigating Liminal Times with Mythic Wisdom: Michael Meade

    21 NOV

    #110 Navigating Liminal Times with Mythic Wisdom: Michael Meade

    Michael Meade is a renowned storyteller and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology, who draws from his study of archetypal myths, ancestral wisdom and cross-cultural rituals to interpret our remarkable moment in human history. While many of us are attempting to recognize our own self-terminating patterns and inhabit new ways of being human, Michael helps us to see the stories we are living, and the new stories that are calling us. He is the author of many books, including The Genius Myth, Fate and Destiny, Why the World Doesn’t End and The Water of Life.  He is also the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit organization that initiates innovative projects and unifying events that support and educate at-risk youth, refugees, combat veterans, and communities in need. Resources: Michael Meade and Mosaic Multicultural Foundation ARTS AND PRACTICES - Antidotes to Overwhelm Sources of Resilience Michael Meade podcast, videos and essays Facing the Cascade of Crises: A SAND Community Gathering with Michael Meade and Gail Brenner Holding the Thread of Life: Michael Meade (Live at SAND 19) (heard in the episode around 38:00) Drumming at the Edge of Magic by Mickey Hart     Topics: 00:00 – Introduction 02:11 – US Elections and Political Climate 02:48 – Cultural and Environmental Unraveling 06:42 – The Role of Uncertainty and Inner Self 08:09 – Mythology and the Deeper Self 10:25 – Rite of Passage and Personal Transformation 18:47 – The Genius Myth vs. The Hero Myth 23:47 – The Nature of the Soul and Family Expectations 28:26 – Discovering Your Calling in Descent 29:30 – The Whisper of Genius 31:01 – Flattening of Modern Culture 31:53 – The Role of Inspiration in the Arts 32:40 – The Power of Practice 33:19 – The Sound of Creation 37:02 – "Holding the Thread of Life" (Excerpt) live at SAND 19 by Michael Meade 40:25 – Quieting Down to Hear the Call 41:47 – Expressing Emotions for Healing 46:32 – The Importance of Grief and Compassion 48:57 – The Magic of Words 53:27 – Connecting with Mythological Ideas 54:50 – Conclusion and Future Conversations Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    56 min
  2. #109 Salt of the Earth: Osama lliwat & Rotem Levin

    14 NOV

    #109 Salt of the Earth: Osama lliwat & Rotem Levin

    Standing for Collective Liberation “No one will be free if the others live under occupation. No one will be safe unless everyone is safe.” In this live SAND Community Gathering (November 2024) Zaya and Maurizio were in discussion with Palestinian and Israeli peace activists Osama lliwat & Rotem Levin who share their personal stories, describe the reality on the ground, and explain their vision for a path toward collective liberation. Osama lliwat was born in Jerusalem and grew up in Jericho, after his family was displaced in 1967. In the peace world for more than 15 years and the co-founder of Visit Palestine, he has dedicated his life to nonviolent resistance. He has worked with the Sulha Peace Project and Interfaith Encounter Association, appeared in several documentaries including Objector and The Other, and speaks regularly on peacebuilding at organizations and universities around the world. Rotem Levin was born and raised in Ein Vered. After his military service, he participated in a transformational intensive dialogue program in Germany, where he got to know Palestinians on a personal and intimate level. This instigated a change in perspective on the story he was born and raised with. After this experience, he started organizing similar programs in Aqaba, Jordan, where he offered the experience to other post-military Israelis and to Palestinian and Israeli medical workers. He is a committed activist and doctor by profession. Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Welcome 00:45 – Context of the Gaza Conflict 03:33 – Osama Liwat's Background 04:05 – Rotem Levin's Background 09:41 – Rotem's Personal Journey 20:11 – Reflections on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict 27:35 – Living in the West Bank 33:35 – The Statelessness of Palestinians 34:30 – Personal Stories of Displacement 35:38 – Growing Up Amidst Conflict 43:19 – Acts of Resistance 54:03 – Encountering Peace Activists 01:02:29 – A Call for Unity and Humanity 01:06:47 – Final Reflections and Gratitude Links: Watch Where Olive Trees Weep Purchase the full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1h 10m
  3. #108 Thrutopian Dreams: Manda Scott

    7 NOV

    #108 Thrutopian Dreams: Manda Scott

    Manda Scott is an award-winning novelist and host of the acclaimed Accidental Gods podcast. Best known for the Boudica: Dreaming series, her previous novels have been short-listed for the Orange Prize, the Edgar, Wilbur Smith and Saltire Awards and won the McIllvanney Prize. Her latest novel ANY HUMAN POWER is a Mytho-Political thriller which lays out a Thrutopian road map to a flourishing future we’d be proud to leave to the generations that come after us. With degrees in veterinary medicine and a Masters in Regenerative Economics, Manda’s life is oriented towards creating radical new narratives that will pave the way to the total systemic change our culture – and our world – needs. ANY HUMAN POWER is available for sale on Amazon. Connect with Manda Scott on Facebook, Bluesky, Goodreads, Instagram, and LinkedIn. Topics 00:00 – Introduction and Support Request 01:00 – Guest Introduction: Manda Scott 02:04 – Discussion on Thrutopian Novels 02:45 – Manda Scott’s Literary Influences 07:01 – Spiritual Practices and Shamanic Path 12:25 – The Concept of Thrutopian Fiction 17:29 – The Power of Fiction in Inspiring Change 21:22 – Genesis of ‘Any Human Power’ 27:45 – The Role of Dreaming in Spiritual Practice 27:52 – Shamanic Dreaming and Its Significance 29:08 – Connecting with Loved Ones Through Dreams 30:36 – Trauma Culture and Initiation Cultures 32:11 – The Four Stages of Evolution 36:40 – Dopamine vs. Serotonin Reward Systems 40:01 – The Importance of Community and Connection 45:11 – The Future of Spiritual Practice and Writing 46:29 – Integrating Dreaming into Daily Life 48:36 – Concluding Thoughts on Modernity and Community Resources The Weirdstone of Brisingamen by Alan Garner Eagle of the Ninth by Rosemary Sutcliff The Last of the Mohicans (1971 TV Series) Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer Riding the Horse Backwards by Arnold and Amy Mindell Regenesis by George Monbiot Sounds of SAND #85 In Our Bones: Osprey Orielle Lake Sounds of SAND #65 Emptiness & Grief: Francis Weller Sounds of SAND #98 Glissando of Consciousness: Andrew Holecek Sounds of SAND #11 Quantum Listening: IONE Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

    51 min
  4. #107 Not In Our Name: Rabbi Cat Zavis

    31 OCT

    #107 Not In Our Name: Rabbi Cat Zavis

    Disentangling Judaism from the Violence of Occupation “The way to manifest your sacredness is to embody sacredness – to treat all life as sacred.”– Rabbi Cat Zavis In this live SAND Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo were in discussion with Rabbi Cat Zavis, a renowned Jewsish teacher, writer, and social justice activist. They discussed the misuse of Judaism to justify the brutal Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. Drawing on deep Jewish ethical traditions of justice and compassion, Rabbi Zavis showed how the occupation fundamentally contradicts core Jewish values. We explored the rich history of Jewish opposition to occupation and highlight contemporary movements working to honor Judaism’s ethical mandate, “Never Again” for anyone.Rabbi Cat Zavis is a passionate shaper of Jewish rituals and services that inspire and draw connections between the spiritual, personal, and political. She is a spiritual social justice activist, attorney, and visionary leader with over 20 years experience in empathic and people-centered leadership and collaboration. A sought after facilitator and trainer in nonviolent communication, prophetic empathy, collaboration, and conflict resolution, she has over 25 years experience working with and helping people understand our shared needs and how to challenge manifestations of othering and build beloved communities of belonging. While co-editor of Tikkun magazine, she wrote articles and helped shape the magazine; as Executive Director of the Network of Spiritual Progressives she has trained over 1000 people in Prophetic Empathy and Revolutionary Love. Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member. Resources Tikkun Beyt Tikkun Roots (1977 Miniseries) One Hundred Years War on Palestine by Rasheed Khalidi Jewish Voices for Peace SAND’s Helpful Resources on Palestine Topics 00:00 – Introduction and Greetings 00:31 – Current Situation in Gaza 01:58 – Introducing Rabbi Cat Zavis 02:16 – Rabbi Cat Zavis' Background 05:17 – Personal Journey and Reflections 12:11 – Jewish Ethical Values and Israeli Occupation 15:58 – The Split in the Jewish Community 24:54 – Truth, Justice, and Peace in Judaism 27:07 – Pursuing Truth and Justice 28:01 – Condemnation of Israeli Actions 29:43 – Judaism vs. Zionism 30:47 – Anti-Zionist Jewish Thinkers 32:08 – Theological Perspectives on Zionism 34:33 – Solidarity and Liberation 40:59 – The Role of Fear and Trauma 45:21 – Call for International Intervention 47:34 – Practical Support for Palestinian Rights 49:33 – Spiritual Reflections and Blessings

    56 min
  5. #106 Black Palestinian Solidarity: Faith Gay, Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart & Imam Adeyinka Mendes

    24 OCT

    #106 Black Palestinian Solidarity: Faith Gay, Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart & Imam Adeyinka Mendes

    In this episode we present excerpts from the recent conversation (June 2024) as part of SAND’s “Conversations on Palestine” around the premiere of the film Where Olive Trees Weep hosted by the directors of the film and co-founders of SAND, Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. You can watch this full conversation and 22 others at Where Olive Trees Weep: 23 Conversations on Palestine. SAND has created a program with leading historians, spiritual teachers, trauma therapists, poets and performers to complement the themes explored in the film and provide a larger historical, cultural and social context to the plight of the Palestinian people These Black activists and scholars came together to shed light on the intersection anti-Black racism, Israeli apartheid, patriarchal oppression, and predatory capitalism’s interconnected plunder. This panel discussed the coalitional power that blossoms when we recognize our kindred liberatory movements. Their dialogue illustrated how the subjugation of any community reverberates as a threat against the collective freedom and wellbeing of all humanity. Their truth disrupts manufactured divisions and nurtures the global, intergenerational solidarities indispensable for our mutual emancipation. Faith Gay is an activist and incoming Master’s student at Princeton University with a background in anti-war organizing and congressional advocacy. Her work focuses on democratizing United States foreign policy so that it can be influenced by those most impacted by it, including those outside of Washington. She is a member of Black for Palestine, a collective organizing Black people in the U.S. to leverage their political, economic, and cultural power in support of Palestinian liberation and to end U.S. complicity in Israeli apartheid. Rev. Naomi Washington-Leapheart is a Black queer preacher, teacher, strategist, and justice advocate. She is an adjunct professor of theology and religious studies at Villanova University and in the spring of 2024 completed a two year term as the Government Fellow for Religion and Public Life at Harvard Divinity School. Rev. Naomi also serves as the first-ever Strategic Partnerships Director at Political Research Associates (PRA), a social justice research and strategy center that provides strategic insights and actionable research that identifies, disrupts, and competes with movements and institutions that undermine democracy, justice, and human rights. In 2021, Rev. Naomi founded Salt | Yeast | Light, an organization that develops spaces of spiritual education, disruption, reflection, transformation, and public action. Most recently, she joined the national leadership team of Christians for a Free Palestine. Imam Adeyinka Mendes is a spiritual counselor, meditation teacher, rites of passage facilitator, author, and Muslim religious leader based in Houston, Texas. He has been a student of the mystical traditions of Islam as well as indigenous and West African spiritual traditions for over 30 years after a life changing journey to Jerusalem at the age of 16. His focus as a teacher is on conveying the wisdom of our ancestors in ways that address the challenges and opportunities of the modern world. He is the founding director of Marhama (Arabic for 'expressing mutual compassion') Village, a community focused on building sustainable institutions through empowering service, prophetic spirituality, traditional knowledge, indigenous wisdom, and the arts. He has studied Classical Arabic, Islamic Sciences, sacred meditation, and the science of peace-building with sages and scholars from the United States, Syria, Sudan, Morocco, Mauritania, Nigeria, Egypt, Haiti, Senegal, and The Gambia. He imagines a world in which spiritual seekers from every tradition work together to establish a world of sacred service, compassion, and justice for every life. (Scheduled, but not present in the recording because of illness)Pastor Michael McBride is the executive director for LIVE FREE US

    1h 1m
  6. #104 Turning Toward the Heart: Pir Zia Inayat Khan

    10 OCT

    #104 Turning Toward the Heart: Pir Zia Inayat Khan

    In this Community Gathering (October 2024) Zaya and Maurizio were in discussion with Pir Zia Inayat Khan, a renowned spiritual teacher in the Sufi tradition, and explored the practice of turning toward the heart — a fundamental concept in Sufism and many other spiritual paths.   Can we see the heart not just as a physical organ, but as a center of consciousness, wisdom, and divine connection? Will this inner orientation lead us to greater self-awareness, compassion, and spiritual growth?   Drawing from Sufi wisdom and his own experience, Pir Zia offered insights on cultivating a heart-centered approach to life in a modern world that uplifts comfort to ignore suffering, and developing the ability to see where there is pain and hardship in order to bring healing there.   Together, we will explore the question, “How can we harmonize the inward journey with the outward call to stand for justice?”   Pir Zia Inayat Khan, PH.D., is a scholar of religion and teacher of Sufism in the universalist Sufi lineage of his grandfather, Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia is president of the Inayatiyya and founder of Sulūk Academy, a school of Sufi contemplative study and practice. He is author of Immortality: A Traveler’s Guide; Dream Flowers: The Collected Works of Noor Inayat Khan; Mingled Waters: Sufism and the Mystical Unity of Religions; and Saracen Chivalry: Counsels on Valor, Generosity and the Mystical Quest. He is editor of Caravan of Souls: An Introduction to the Sufi Path of Hazrat Inayat Khan. Pir Zia divides his time between Richmond, Virginia and Suresnes, France.   https://inayatiyya.org/ Watch the full video version of this event here: https://scienceandnonduality.com/event/turning-toward-the-heart/ Topics: 00:00 – Introduction and Welcome 00:47 – Introducing Pir Zia Inayat Khan 01:50 – The Legacy of Hazrat Inayat Khan 06:14 – Understanding Sufism and Its Origins 12:00 – The Heart and Mind in Sufism 16:35 – Stages of the Sufi Path 24:45 – Embracing Suffering and Compassion 29:04 – The Power of the Heart in Healing 33:43 – The Responsibility of Action and Hope 35:40 – The Heroic Legacy of Noor Inayat Khan 39:27 – Sufi Influence and Universal Oneness 45:40 – Breaking the Cycle of Suffering 49:48 – The Ego and Collective Identity 53:44 – Interconnectedness and Healing 54:59 – Closing Reflections and Gratitude Resources: Where Olive Trees Weep (film by SAND) Inayat Khan Foundation – Inayatiyya - The Inayati Order Suluk Academy Caravan of Souls (book) Pir Zia Inayat Khan Teachings Hazrat Inayat Khan Teachings Noor Inayat Khan’s Legacy – Noor Inayat Khan: The Forgotten Spy Twenty Jataka Tales by Noor Inayat Khan Sounds of SAND #18 The Mysticism of Sound and Music (Podcast with Michael Harrison, Inayat Khan music scholar and composer) Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member.

    59 min

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Sounds of SAND is a podcast from Science and Nonduality which contemplates and reveres the beauty, complexity, pain, and great mystery that weave the infinite cycles of existence. We explore beyond ultimate truths, binary thinking, and individual awakening while acknowledging humanity as a mere part of the intricate web of life. Episodes tap into SAND’s rich history and collaborative future by presenting talks, dialogs, interviews, readings, music, and recordings from SAND Conferences, events, and webinars weaving timeless wisdom and embodied experience. Let’s listen, learn, and share. ➡️ Find out more at scienceandnonduality.com 💌 Reach out to us at podcast@scienceandnonduality.com

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