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The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals

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Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.

    Seasonal Marketing for Your Practice

    Seasonal Marketing for Your Practice

    The holiday season is right around the corner. That makes now a good time to start thinking about putting together a solid marketing plan. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Darren and Kristin talk about goals, groups, planning and promotion, when practitioners should begin their marketing initiatives, and whether price discounts are an effective seasonal-marketing strategy.
     
    Hosts:
    Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com.
    Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.
     
    Sponsors:
     
    Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com 
     
    Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp
     
    Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org
     
    Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.    
                    
    Website: anatomytrains.com    
                      
    Email: info@anatomytrains.com          
     
    Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains 
                        
    Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial
     
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA  
     
    Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours!  The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage therapist and client satisfaction leads the industry. That's because from day one, the brand has kept an unmatched commitment to deliver the best therapeutic massage experiences possible for both clients and massage therapists. Elements Massage studios expects the best. So should you. If this sounds like a fit, reach out. Studios are hiring!  
     
    Website: https://elementsmassage.com/ABMP
     
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/elementsmassage
     
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elementsmassage
     
    Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXLHkAYMgmA6_MJ8DSEZm-A
     
    Disclaimer:
    Each Elements Massage® studio is independently owned and operated. Franchise owners (or their designated hiring managers) are solely responsible for all employment and personnel decisions and matters regarding their independently owned and operated stu

    • 24 min
    Imposter Syndrome?: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner

    Imposter Syndrome?: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner

    A new massage therapist has a client who presents some special challenges: she has chronic pain, uses a lot of medications to manage it, wants deep work, and no matter what the MT does, the client seems to want more. The MT feels out of their depth and at a loss for how to help this client improve.
    In this special episode we talk about those feelings of inadequacy with our clients who seem to be especially demanding, and what we can do to help ourselves stay present and positively engaged.
    Do you have advice for this therapist? I’d love to hear it. Contact me at ihaveaclientwho@abmp.com
     
    Sponsors:  
     
    Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com  
     
    Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com
     
    Host Bio:        
              
    Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.   
     
    Recent Articles by Ruth:       
     
    “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36.
     
    “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. 
            
    “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34.    
     
    Resources: 
     
    Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app
     
    About our Sponsor:
     
    About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com:  
    As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online.
     
    Website: Advanced-Trainings.com
     
    Email: info@advanced-trainings.com
     
    Facebook:  facebook.com/Advanced.Trainings1/
     
    Instagram: instagram.com/tilluchau
     
    YouTube: youtube.com/user/AdvancedTrainings
     

    • 11 min
    Delving into the Lymphatic System: “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney

    Delving into the Lymphatic System: “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney

    The Lymphatic System may not be the most popular of the anatomical systems, but understanding this unsung hero is fundamental to the work we do. Join Allison as she describes what lymph is, what this system does, and how it compares to the Metropolitan Transportation Authority workers of the New York City subway system. This beautifully intricate component of who we are deserves a deeper understanding, some love, and, perhaps, a raise.
     
    Host:     
                
    Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com     
          
    Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com          
              
    Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com.        
         
    Allison’s column in Massage & Bodywork magazine:  
     
    “The QL and the Psoas: The Epitome of Codependency” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 24. 
     
    “The Hand: A User’s Guide,” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine. November/December 2021, page 81.
     
    “Feelization: Connect with Clients on a Deeper Level,” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 85.
     
    This podcast sponsored by:  
     
    Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com
     
    The Academy of Lymphatic Studies (ACOLS): acols.com
     
    Rebel Massage Therapist:
    My name is Allison. And I am not your typical massage therapist. After 20 years of experience and thousands of clients, I have learned that massage therapy is SO MUCH more than a relaxing experience at a spa. I see soft tissue as more than merely a physical element but a deeply complex, neurologically driven part of who you are. I use this knowledge to work WITH you—not ON you—to create change that works. This is the basis of my approach. As a massage therapist, I have worked in almost every capacity, including massage clinics, physical therapy clinics, chiropractor offices, spas, private practice, and teaching. I have learned incredible techniques and strategies from each of my experiences. In my 20 years as a massage therapist, I have never stopped growing. I currently have a private practice based out of Long Beach, California, where I also teach continuing education classes and occasionally work on my kids. If they’re good.
     
    website: www.rebelmassage.com
     
     
    FB: facebook.com/RebelMassage
     
     
    IG: instagram.com/rebelmassagetherapist
     
     
    YouTube: youtube.com/c/RebelMassage
     
     
    email: rebelmassagetherapist@gmail.com
     
     
    The Academy of Lymphatic Studies (ACOLS) promotes the quality and integrity of continuing education to practitioners in the field of lymphedema and edema management. Manual lymphatic drainage helps to reduce edema of various genesis, including posttraumatic and post-surgical edema, as well as several pathologies, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, migraines, and chronic pain. Highly skilled manual lymphatic drainage therapists with advanced training are instrumental in supporting the healing process in patients recovering from oncology treatments as well as cosmetic, reconstructive, and gender affirming surgery. ACOLS offers Manual Lymph Drainage (MLD) Certification and Complete Lymphedema Therapy Certification courses in both in-person and hybrid options. With 150 annual course offerings all over the country, students can find the right course for them. 
     
    Website: acols.com
     
    Facebook: facebook.com/AcademyofLymphaticStudies
     
    LinkedIn: llinkedin.com/company/academy-of-lymphatic-studies-llc
     
    Instagram: instagram.com/lymphaticstudies

    • 14 min
    Spark Brilliance with Jackie Insinger

    Spark Brilliance with Jackie Insinger

    Brilliance is in all aspects of our experience: our relationships, our talent, our performance, our outlook. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with author Jackie Insinger about how the science of positive psychology ignites and engages our work, steps MTs can take to improve their communication with colleagues, family, and friends, and the difference between being great at what you do and loving what you do.
    Throughout her career, Jackie has brought her expertise in cognitive psychology and interpersonal dynamics to the business world as a sought-after executive and team dynamics coach. Using her research-based, action-oriented methodology, Jackie helps leaders and teams focus on unique strengths and authentic connection to increase performance, results, and fulfillment. Her positive psychology-led framework, platinum leadership, has been a game-changer for thousands of people and businesses throughout the world.
    Jackie has a psychology degree from Duke University and a from Harvard. She is a member of the Forbes Coaches Council and the Harvard Business Review advisory council and lives in Denver, Colorado.
     
    Resources:
     
    Website: https://www.sparkbrilliancethebook.com/
     
    Hosts:
     
    Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com.
    Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.
     
    Sponsors:
     
    Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com 
     
    Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp
     
    Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org
     
    Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.    
                    
    Website: anatomytrains.com    
                      
    Email: info@anatomytrains.com          
     
    Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains 
                        
    Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial
     
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA  
     
    Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours!  The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage t

    • 24 min
    Anabolic Steroids: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner

    Anabolic Steroids: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner

    A client is a bodybuilder. He tells his massage therapist that he has started using anabolic steroids to help him achieve his goals. What does this mean? Are there risks for massage—for the client? For the therapist? How much of this is really our business, and what does it mean in relation to other possible drug use among our clients?
    It's a sticky topic, with few solid answers.
     
    Sponsors:  
     
    Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com  
     
    Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com
     
    Host Bio:        
              
    Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.   
                   
    Recent Articles by Ruth:       
     
    “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36.
     
    “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. 
            
    “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34.    
     
    Resources: 
     
    Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app
     
    * A resource for people who are addicted to anabolic steroids
     
    5 Biggest Myths About Being On Testosterone (no date) TG Supply. Available at: https://transguysupply.com/blogs/news/ftm-testosterone-side-effects (Accessed: 14 September 2022).
     
    Anabolic Steroids (no date). National Library of Medicine. Available at: https://medlineplus.gov/anabolicsteroids.html (Accessed: 13 September 2022).
     
    Bates, G. et al. (2019) ‘Treatments for people who use anabolic androgenic steroids: a scoping review’, Harm Reduction Journal, 16(1), p. 75. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1186/s12954-019-0343-1.
     
    * Patterson, E. et al. (no date) Effects of Steroids | Short & Long-Term Effects of Steroid Use, DrugAbuse.com. Available at: https://drugabuse.com/stimulants/steroids/effects-use/ (Accessed: 14 September 2022).
     
    *‘Steroid Withdrawal Symptoms, Side Effects & Timeline’ (no date). Available at: https://addictionblog.org/support/steroid-withdrawal/ (Accessed: 14 September 2022).
     
    About our Sponsor:
     
    About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com:  
    As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online.
     
    Website: Advanced-Trainings.com
     
    Email: info@advanced-trainings.com
     
    Facebook:  facebook.com/Adv

    • 12 min
    Pros and Cons: Employee vs. Self-Employed with Nathan Nordstrom

    Pros and Cons: Employee vs. Self-Employed with Nathan Nordstrom

    In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with Nathan Nordstrom about the challenges and benefits of being either an employee, self-employed, or an independent contractor, the benefits of understanding marketing – even as an employee – and the state of franchises since the COVID pandemic.
    Nate became a massage therapist in 2001. He is licensed in several states and is board-certified. He has taught massage therapists since 2004 and is a nationally recognized continuing education provider. As a massage therapist, he has worked in many settings over the years. He teaches classes in the application of ethics in daily life and advanced anatomy classes for massage therapists. He has served as a leader in many ways in the massage profession, and he is now the senior director of Training and Massage Therapy Industry Relations for Hand & Stone Massage and Facial Spa. 
    Hosts:
    Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com.
    Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.
     
    Sponsors:
     
    Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com 
     
    Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp
     
    Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org
     
    Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.    
                    
    Website: anatomytrains.com    
                      
    Email: info@anatomytrains.com          
     
    Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains 
                        
    Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial
     
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA  
     
    Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours!  The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage therapist and client satisfaction leads the industry. That's because from day one, the brand has kept an unmatched commitment to deliver the best therapeutic massage experiences possible for both clients and massage therapists. Elements Massage studios expects the best. So should you. If this sounds like a fit, reach out. Studios are

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