DevOps and Docker Talk: Cloud Native Interviews and Tooling

Bret Fisher

Interviews from Bret Fisher's live show with co-host Nirmal Mehta. Topics cover container and cloud topics like Docker, Kubernetes, Swarm, Cloud Native development, DevOps, SRE, GitOps, DevSecOps, platform engineering, and the full software lifecycle. Full show notes and more info available at https://podcast.bretfisher.com

  1. Swarm 2030. Let's Go!

    20 AUG

    Swarm 2030. Let's Go!

    Bret discusses exciting news about Swarm being maintained until 2030. 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 In this episode, I give an update on the future of Docker Swarm, the renewed long-term support and ongoing development from Mirantis. The news should be reassuring for you, Swarm users. Swarm remains a viable, supported option for your container orchestration needs, at least until 2030.★Show Links★Swarm news: Mirantis maintaining until 2030Awesome SwarmCheck out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/tmQbrCrM-yM Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com (00:00) - Intro (00:34) - History of Mirantis and Swarm (01:02) - Swarm's Current Status (03:44) - Swarm's Long-Term Support (08:07) - Swarm's Value Proposition (12:25) - Technical Challenges and Solutions (17:47) - Looking Ahead: Roadmap and Commitments (20:26) - Final Thoughts

    25 min
  2. Is Docker Building the Best AI Stack?

    12 AUG

    Is Docker Building the Best AI Stack?

    Bret and Nirmal are joined by Michael Irwin to discuss Docker's comprehensive AI toolkit, covering everything from local model deployment to cloud-based container orchestration across multiple interconnected tools and services. 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 We run through almost the entire Docker AI ecosystem, including the Model Runner for hosting open-source models locally or remotely, the Hub model catalog, Gordon AI chatbot integration within Docker Desktop and CLI, how MCP toolkit and catalog enable seamless tool integration with local AI systems, Docker's open-source MCP gateway for managing these connections, plus Docker's new Offload service for running containers and models entirely in Docker Cloud and much, much more!★Show Links★Docker Model RunnerGordon AI Blog PostDocker OffloadDocker Gen AI CatalogDocker MCP Catalog and ToolkitDocker MCP Gateway Repository Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/dUmSsnc33O0 Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer Nirmal Mehta - Host Michael Irwin 🇺🇦 🕊 - Guest You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com (00:00) - Intro (04:32) - Gordon AI (11:18) - Docker Model Runner (21:11) - State of Free Models (23:48) - MCP Toolkit (26:16) - MCP Gateway (35:22) - MCP Server Limits (40:08) - MCP Gateway vs API Gateway (47:48) - Model Support in Docker Compose (52:37) - Docker Offload

    1u 7m
  3. Could AI End Human QA?

    29 JUL

    Could AI End Human QA?

    Bret is joined by Andrew Tunall, the President and Chief Product Officer at Embrace, to discuss his prediction that we’ll all start shipping non-QA'd code (buggier code in production) and QA will need to be replaced with better observability. 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 If AI causes us to ship more code, we’ll need more testing and QA. It’s unlikely that orgs will want to add staff just so they can use AI, so what’s the solution? Would we start relying more on production observability to detect code issues that affect user experience? Embrace is a mobile observability platform company that I first met at KubeCon London this year. Their pitch was that mobile apps were ready for the full observability stack and that we now have SDKs to let mobile dev teams integrate with the same tools that we platform engineers and DevOps people and operators have been building and enjoying for years now. I wanted to hear from observability experts on how they think this is all going to shake out. ★Show Links★Embrace websiteEmbrace GitHub repositoryEmbrace docs Check out the video podcast version here: https://youtu.be/HHpn3OqMrbU Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer Andrew Tunall - Guest You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com (00:00) - Intro (03:00) - AI in QA and Software Development (07:25) - Challenges and Cultural Shifts in AI-Driven Development (19:27) - Real-World Examples and Observations (26:01) - Future of AI in Software Engineering (26:49) - Building Reliable Software (27:39) - Tools and Strategies for Measuring Reliability (28:39) - Importance of Observability (35:52) - Enhancing Mobile App Observability (42:41) - Changing Behaviors in Observability

    54 min
  4. AI Agents Running Containers

    1 JUL

    AI Agents Running Containers

    The Daytona founders - Ivan Burazin and Vedran Jukic - discuss their pivot to an AI agent cloud. We dig into the new infrastructure requirements of developing agents that need their own sandboxes to operate in. A year ago, we had them on to talk about Daytona giving us remote development environments for humans, and they have now pivoted the company to focusing on providing cloud hosting environments for AI agents to operate. I suspect this is something we're all gonna eventually need to tackle as we work to automate more of our software engineering. So we spend time breaking down the concepts and the real world needs of humans developing agents, and then the needs of AI that require places to run their own tools in code. Check out the video podcast version here https://youtu.be/l8LBqDUwtV8 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer Ivan Burazin - Guest Vedran Jukic - Guest You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com (00:00) - Intro (07:45) - Daytona's Sandbox Technology (14:34) - Practical Applications and Use Cases (16:06) - Security and Isolation in AI Agents (19:36) - Start Up Times for Sandboxing and Kubernetes (24:28) - Daytona vs Lambda (32:43) - Rogue Models and Isolation (36:31) - Humanless Operations and the Future of DevOps (48:54) - SDK vs MCP (51:52) - Human in the Loop (52:50) - Daytona: Open Source vs Product Offering

    57 min
  5. Heroku + MCP = The Fastest Way to Run AI Agents in the Cloud

    6 JUN

    Heroku + MCP = The Fastest Way to Run AI Agents in the Cloud

    Julián Duque from Heroku joins me to explain and demo their new AI platform. Check out the video podcast version here https://youtu.be/BGqlLZHdRDs 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer Julián Duque - Guest You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com (00:00) - Introduction (06:49) - Deep Dive into Heroku's AI Capabilities (16:00) - Heroku MCP server (30:04) - Describing MCP Tool Interactions (32:25) - DevOps Automation with Heroku MCP server (38:39) - Heroku AI and Future Prospects

    43 min
  6. Is AI ready for DevOps?

    4 JUN

    Is AI ready for DevOps?

    Launching our new Podcast: https://agenticdevops.fmBret and Nirmal are at KubeCon London and record their ideas about how AI Agents will change DevOps, platform engineering, SRE, automation, troubleshooting, and more. 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Bret Fisher - Host Beth Fisher - Producer Nirmal Mehta - Host You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com

    29 min
  7. What you missed at KubeCon

    24 MEI

    What you missed at KubeCon

    At KubeCon EU 2025 in London, Nirmal and I discussed the important (and not-so-important) things you might have missed. 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 There's also a video version of this show on YouTube. Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Beth Fisher - Producer Bret Fisher - Host Nirmal Mehta - Host (00:00) - DDT Audio Podcast Edited (00:04) - Intro (03:01) - KubeCon 2025 EU Overview (05:01) - Platform Engineering and AI Trends (08:40) - AI and Machine Learning in Kubernetes (17:15) - Project Pavilions at KubeCon (18:42) - FinOps and Cost Optimization (22:16) - HAProxy and AI Gateways (25:37) - Proxy Intelligence and Network Layer Optimization (28:29) - Developer Experience and Organizational Challenges (31:00) - Platform Engineering and Cognitive Load (37:31) - End of Life for CNCF Projects You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com

    41 min
  8. Docker Model Runner

    21 APR

    Docker Model Runner

    Docker launched "Docker Model Runner" to run LLMs through llama.cpp with a single "docker model" command. In this episode Bret details examples and some useful use cases for using this way to run LLMs. He breaks down the internals. How it works, when you should use it or not use it; and, how to get started using Open WebUI for a private ChatGPT-like experience. 🙌 My next course is coming soon! I've opened the waitlist for those wanting to go deep in GitHub Actions for DevOps and AI automation in 2025. I'm so thrilled to announce this course. The waitlist allows you to quickly sign up for some content updates, discounts, and more as I finish building the course.https://courses.bretfisher.com/waitlist 🍾 ★Topics★Model Runner DocsHub ModelsOCI ArtifactsOpen WebUIMy Open WebUI Compose file Creators & Guests Cristi Cotovan - Editor Beth Fisher - Producer Bret Fisher - Host (00:00) - Intro (02:23) - Model Runner Elevator Pitch (03:05) - Enabling Docker Model Runner (06:05) - Self Promotion! Is that an ad? For me? (06:40) - Downloading Models (08:48) - Architectrure of Model Runner (12:26) - ORAS (12:46) - What's next for Model Runner? (13:50) - Troubleshooting You can also support my free material by subscribing to my YouTube channel and my weekly newsletter at bret.news! Grab the best coupons for my Docker and Kubernetes courses.Join my cloud native DevOps community on Discord.Grab some merch at Bret's Loot BoxHomepage bretfisher.com

    15 min
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Interviews from Bret Fisher's live show with co-host Nirmal Mehta. Topics cover container and cloud topics like Docker, Kubernetes, Swarm, Cloud Native development, DevOps, SRE, GitOps, DevSecOps, platform engineering, and the full software lifecycle. Full show notes and more info available at https://podcast.bretfisher.com

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