Sunderland in Limboland, Forest Cash in, Harrogate boss interview

Going Up, Going Down - A show about the EFL

Hosts George Elek & Ali Maxwell are joined by the newest boss in the EFL, Harrogate Town's Simon Weaver who shares how his side will approach the challenge of league football.

Journalist Michael Walker outlines the challenges faced by Sunderland as they look for new owners.

And The Athletic's Daniel Taylor, a Nottingham Forest fan, on how the club has reacted to the harrowing end to last season and what he expects to see this time round.   

Access to The Athletic and the world's best football writers is currently free for thirty days, simply go towww.theathletic.com/eflpod to sign up without paying a penny!

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