The Psychedelic Therapy Podcast Eamon Armstrong

Welcome back to the Psychedelic Therapy Podcast. I'm your host, Eamon Armstrong. Today on the show, we're welcoming back Tony Moss. Tony is an artist, producer, and member of the Bird Tribe Music Collective. He is also an ayahuasca facilitator with 30 years of experience and has just released a new album, Joy.



In today's conversation, we discuss the magic and science of medicine music. We talk about the state of medicine work in 2024, why psychedelics change the way we hear music, and the difference between an Icaro, a medicine song, and other genres. We also explore the hymns of Santa Daime, Tony's gospel-inspired music, and his new album, Joy, which turns unexpected genres into medicine music.



Tony is a recording artist, producer, and creative director. Born into a musical family of R&B gospel singers, he was raised in California's psychedelic and spiritual cultures. Inspired by over 25 years of working with plant medicines, Tony combines science, shamanism, and multiple music genres to create music dubbed "Soulful Ceremonial."



Timestamps

(05:00) - The state of medicine work in 2024

(10:30) - Why do psychedelics change how we hear music

(18:30) - The difference between an icaro and a medicine song

(29:00) - Some songs are medicine but not medicine music

(35:00) - The Hymns of Santo Daime and Tony’s own Gospel inspired song Grateful  

(42:30) - Does speaking without song work?

(50:00) - Tony’s album Joy and making medicine music out of unexpected genres



Links


Tony Moss: Medicine Music
Tony Moss (@mosstony)
JOY | Tony Moss, Bird Tribe



Previous Podcasts


Tony Moss (I.AM.LIFE): So You Want to Be a Shaman?
From Activist to Ayahuasca Advocate | Tony Moss (Bird Tribe)
Ayahuasca for Healing Ancestral Racial Trauma | Tony Moss

Welcome back to the Psychedelic Therapy Podcast. After a hiatus of a year and a half, we're excited to announce our return, thanks to our new sponsors, Hurricane Lotus (formerly Maya, the original sponsor of this show) and Holos Global, we are now back and releasing regular episodes.

On today's show, I’m speaking with Alexander Beiner, author of "The Bigger Picture: How Psychedelics Can Help Us Make Sense of the World." We discuss the roots of the mental health crisis, the role of psychedelics in healing, and what healing actually means according to Beiner. We also explore understanding existential risks and how this relates to psychedelic healing, as well as the ethical dilemmas in psychedelic healing. We conclude our conversation with Alexander's account of his extended state DMT experience at Imperial College London and his belief in the power of the teaching presence.

Alexander Beiner is a writer, cultural commentator, and podcaster. He's one of the founders of Rebel Wisdom, a media and events organization with a quarter of a million subscribers and a focus on making sense of culture and complexity. He's also an executive director of Breaking Convention, Europe's longest-running conference on psychedelic science and culture. He is a leading critical and countercultural voice in the "psychedelic renaissance" and has produced a number of films, articles, and events at the leading edge of the conversation about the potential of psychedelics.



Timestamps:


(07:00) - The Roots of the Mental Health Crisis
(13:00) - The Role of Psychedelics in Healing
(23:00) - Understanding Existential Risks and Psychedelic Healing
(33:30) - Ethical Dilemmas in Psychedelic Healing
(42:30) - Alexander’s Extended State DMT Experience and the Teaching Presence

Links:


Alexander Beiner: Sensemaking
The Bigger Picture
The Bigger Picture | Alexander Beiner | Substack
Alexander Beiner (@alexander_beiner)
Breaking Convention

Today on the show we are discussing the state of psychedelic legislation in the wake of Colorado’s Proposition 22 passing in November. Sharing the most relevant implications for psychedelic therapists and healers we have the best person for the job, MAPS Director of Policy and Advocacy Ismail Lourido Ali.

On the show we discuss legalization vs decriminalization. We look at the different tracks for psychedelic legalization from medicalization to religious exception to regulated adult use. We discuss Oregon’s Bills 109 and 110 exploring “scope of practice,” residency laws, and training reciprocity. We look at Colorado’s Proposition 22 and the two big differences between that and what was passed in Oregon two years ago. We discuss equity initiatives. Ismail shares what legalization efforts look like on the federal level and to close our conversation, he speaks directly to psychedelic healers.

As MAPS’ Director of Policy and Advocacy, Ismail advocates to eliminate barriers to psychedelic therapy and research, develops and implements legal and policy strategy, and supports MAPS’ governance, non-profit, and ethics work. Ismail earned his J.D. at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law in 2016, after receiving his bachelor’s in philosophy from California State University, Fresno. Ismail has previously worked for the ACLU of Northern California’s Criminal Justice & Drug Policy Project, and Berkeley Law’s International Human Rights Law Clinic. Ismail is licensed to practice law in the state of California, and is a founding board member of the Psychedelic Bar Association. Ismail is passionate about setting sustainable groundwork for a just, equitable, and generative post-prohibition world.

Timestamps


:06 - Izzy’s role as Director of Policy and Advocacy for MAPS
:10 - Legalization vs decriminalization
:16 - Religious exception vs medicalization
:22 - Oregon’ regulated adult use system (Bill 109)
:28 “Scope of practice” and psilocybin facilitation licenses in Oregon.
:34 - Information for practitioners hoping to offer services in Oregon or Colorado including residency laws and training reciprocity
:40 - Two big differences in the recently passed Colorado’s Prop 22
:47 - Equity initiatives in Oregon and Colorado
:54 - What can we anticipate around federal legislation in psychedelics

Links


Izzy’s Instagram
Izzy Twitter
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS
MAPS Twitter
MAPS Instagram
Psychedelic Bar Association
Guide to RFRA and Best Practices for Psychedelic Plant Medicine Churches
Oregon Health Authority
MAPS analysis regarding Oregon’s Measures 109 and 110 passed in Nov 2020
MAPS analysis regarding Colorado Proposition 122
MAPS analysis regarding our work on SB519 in CA to decriminalize the personal use of all psychedelics

Could enhancing creativity be the key to healing mental illness? Laura Dawn of Grow Medicine, makes a compelling case for the value of psychedelics for enhancing flow.

Our conversation begins with an exploration of eldership and indigenous concepts of reciprocity based on Laura Dawn’s recent trip to Columbia. Laura Dawn gives us practical tools for enhancing creativity and makes the case for psychedelic healing through optimizing flow states. We conclude with how to prevent burnout amongst healers, facilitators, and other leaders in the psychedelic space.

Laura Dawn hosts The Psychedelic Leadership Podcast and is the founder & director of Grow Medicine. She has a Masters in Science specializing in Creativity Studies & Change Leadership and is at the forefront of exploring the intersection between psychedelics and creative cognition for leadership development.

Timestamps


:05 - Laura’s trip to Colombia to learn from the Kogi and Mamos indigenous elders
:19 - How to best innervate psychedelics into the mainstream
:24 - Focusing on the intersection between psychedelics and creative cognition
:34 - Healing mental illness through creativity tools for accessing creative cognition
:49 - How to prevent burnout amongst healers, facilitators, and people in the psychedelic space

Links


Grow Medicine Website
Laura Dawn Website
Instagram

Can sound help us disconnect from unhealthy habitual patterns? Today’s guest Alexandre Tannous, creator of the Sound Meditation protocol, shows how we can use harmonic frequencies to release trauma, enhance self-awareness and live happier, healthier lives.

Our conversation begins with Alexandre’s explanation of harmonic frequencies and the problem with the quantization of the 12-tone scale. We discuss the value of sound in the context of psychedelic experiences, as well as sound meditation protocols (set and setting). We conclude with issues that need to be addressed when working with these powerful tools.

Alexandre Tannous is an ethnomusicologist, sound therapist, and sound researcher. He is also the Principal Founder of ResonantMind Collective. For the past 22 years Alexandre has been researching the therapeutic and esoteric properties of sound from three different perspectives – Western scientific, Eastern philosophical, and shamanic societal beliefs – to gain a deeper understanding of how sound has been used to affect human consciousness. This search has led him to where art, science, philosophy, and spirituality intersect. He continues to do research on sound, currently works as a sound therapist, teaches the method he has created, and lectures about sound throughout the world.

Timestamps


:08 - An overview of sound and the 12 tone scale
:20 - The problem with calling supplements “plant medicine”
Ability to experience the transformational quality of sound in the context of a psychedelic experience
:28 - Default mode network
:37 - Alexandre’s specific protocol for Sound Meditation
:44 - The impact of the Sound Meditation Protocol
:54 - The pitfalls of powerful tools and the parasitic force

Links


Alexandre Tannous Website
Resonant Mind Collective 

The West African psychedelic iboga (and its extraction ibogaine) continues to show an impressive ability to heal addiction and trauma and when done in a safe and ethical manner there is very little risk of harm. Today we are joined by Talia Eisenberg, of Beond, a Mexico-based ibogaine treatment center.

Our conversation begins with Talia’s personal history and how addiction relates to trauma. We discuss ibogaine integration to prevent relapse, and how Beond is designed to be a full-service wellness center for those healing from addiction and trauma. We conclude with ibogaine’s effectiveness in treating eating disorders and behavioral addictions, and Beond’s plan for rolling out future clinics.

Talia Eisenberg is a serial entrepreneur focused on developing industry-leading consumer-facing products & services in the wellness and psychedelics industry. She is the founder of Beond and also the Ibogaine Research Institute, a San Francisco-based nonprofit with the mission to raise funds and awareness required to provide people addicted to opiates the right to choice by legitimizing ibogaine as the most promising solution for opioid addiction interruption.

Links:


Beond.us
Blessings of the Forest
Beond Insights 

Timestamps


:05 - Talia’s personal experience with addiction, seeking help, and introduction to ibogaine
:20 - Physiological response to ibogaine and addiction in relation to trauma
:26 - Ibogaine integration to prevent a relapse in the addiction
:30 - What makes Beond different as a destination for Iboga and how does the clinical approach differ from the indigenous shamanic approach?
:36 - Ibogaine treatment and eating disorders and behavioral addictions
:46 Plan for rolling out clinics and locations, Beond ibogaine insight discussion series