30 episodes

Join Cheryl Kees Clendenon and Liz Lapan, the dynamic duo behind the visionary and integrator balancing all the moving parts of a full service interior design firm in their no-nonsense and thought-provoking podcast, the Damn Good Designer.

Each episode is full of damn good truths and real talk as they share invaluable insights on how to run and build a successful business while challenging the norms, the industry, each other and YOU. Emphasizing a business-savvy approach, Cheryl and Liz take you on a roller coaster of discovery, considering success from a different lens, breaking free from groupthink, and encouraging you to embrace your own authentic designer self. There is not much they will not say “out loud”.

In this podcast, you'll find no room for conformity as they shatter the mold of one-size-fits-all business practices. Cheryl's fearless attitude showcases a refusal to follow the conventional wisdom, ask “why” repeatedly and reject what no longer makes sense in today’s world.

If you're seeking a dose of inspiration, a splash of unconventional wisdom, and a refreshing perspective on the entrepreneurial world, the Damn Good Designer is your go-to podcast. Tune in and let Cheryl and Liz, along with their expert guests in the fields of designers, architects, landscapers, and other creative professionals, guide you toward building a remarkable business that defies norms and sets you on a path to unparalleled success."Get ready to challenge the ordinary and embrace the extraordinary!
About the hosts:
Cheryl Kees Clendenon-
2021 KBB Person of the year
2022 Design Studio winner Dallas Arts Awards
2021 Changemaker Design Hounds

200 or so years ago a child came roaring into the world feet first ready to show up and argue a cause. Just because. Her mother still maintains the story is- she was screaming-“why”- from the minute she landed wrong side up and slapped the doctor for disturbing her afternoon nap

And to this day does not give “it” a rest except when she is sleeping. Which is where you will find her only between the hours of 2am and 7:30am. A belligerent non-smoker (in case you were wondering) and a frequent challenger of anything that resembles “normal” or desired by the masses, Cheryl is a natural born contrarian who talks faster than 2x speed on a podcast

She gravitates towards wanting to help clients and designers who are the square pegs in a world of round holes, lose earrings impossibly frequently, fall off of platform shoes and are unapologetically saucy. Relaxing is not in the skill set. Life begins and ends with family.

Her sacred words are: Why, Percipient, Whizbang and Profit.

But please do not say the words: Package, Blocks, Red Flag, Overwhelm or Picked. Hives break out and it gets ugly.

Liz Lapan

VP of Everything, Interior Designer,
Work Wife, Team Cook, Unicorns

People ask, when did you KNOW you had found your ideal work wife- Cheryl will reply ” When she drew me 8 different cacti on her 3rd day because I said -find me a damn cactus”

The woman who has never been through an airport without being extended an invitation to stop and play show and tell with the contents of her backpack, can single handedly plow snow with a rake and rescue her boss in a snowstorm in Arizona.–yes, I said Arizona–after sleeping all night in a tuna can of a rental car.

An accomplished designer in her own right with an amazing sense of color and pattern, Liz can wear the designer hat in the morning, the project manager hat at noon and return to the office being the ultimate manager of all the things. Client’s love her, Subs respect her and the team adores the woman who gets “it” done-whatever “it” may be.

RESOURCES:

www.damngooddesigner.com
https://www.theinteriordesignparadigm.com/
Want to be a guest? Apply here: https://forms.clickup.com/8404193/f/80f71-613517/PFK3QDSALZ30VONMTP

Damn Good Interior Designer Cheryl Kees Clendenon and Liz Lapan

    • Arts
    • 5.0 • 3 Ratings

Join Cheryl Kees Clendenon and Liz Lapan, the dynamic duo behind the visionary and integrator balancing all the moving parts of a full service interior design firm in their no-nonsense and thought-provoking podcast, the Damn Good Designer.

Each episode is full of damn good truths and real talk as they share invaluable insights on how to run and build a successful business while challenging the norms, the industry, each other and YOU. Emphasizing a business-savvy approach, Cheryl and Liz take you on a roller coaster of discovery, considering success from a different lens, breaking free from groupthink, and encouraging you to embrace your own authentic designer self. There is not much they will not say “out loud”.

In this podcast, you'll find no room for conformity as they shatter the mold of one-size-fits-all business practices. Cheryl's fearless attitude showcases a refusal to follow the conventional wisdom, ask “why” repeatedly and reject what no longer makes sense in today’s world.

If you're seeking a dose of inspiration, a splash of unconventional wisdom, and a refreshing perspective on the entrepreneurial world, the Damn Good Designer is your go-to podcast. Tune in and let Cheryl and Liz, along with their expert guests in the fields of designers, architects, landscapers, and other creative professionals, guide you toward building a remarkable business that defies norms and sets you on a path to unparalleled success."Get ready to challenge the ordinary and embrace the extraordinary!
About the hosts:
Cheryl Kees Clendenon-
2021 KBB Person of the year
2022 Design Studio winner Dallas Arts Awards
2021 Changemaker Design Hounds

200 or so years ago a child came roaring into the world feet first ready to show up and argue a cause. Just because. Her mother still maintains the story is- she was screaming-“why”- from the minute she landed wrong side up and slapped the doctor for disturbing her afternoon nap

And to this day does not give “it” a rest except when she is sleeping. Which is where you will find her only between the hours of 2am and 7:30am. A belligerent non-smoker (in case you were wondering) and a frequent challenger of anything that resembles “normal” or desired by the masses, Cheryl is a natural born contrarian who talks faster than 2x speed on a podcast

She gravitates towards wanting to help clients and designers who are the square pegs in a world of round holes, lose earrings impossibly frequently, fall off of platform shoes and are unapologetically saucy. Relaxing is not in the skill set. Life begins and ends with family.

Her sacred words are: Why, Percipient, Whizbang and Profit.

But please do not say the words: Package, Blocks, Red Flag, Overwhelm or Picked. Hives break out and it gets ugly.

Liz Lapan

VP of Everything, Interior Designer,
Work Wife, Team Cook, Unicorns

People ask, when did you KNOW you had found your ideal work wife- Cheryl will reply ” When she drew me 8 different cacti on her 3rd day because I said -find me a damn cactus”

The woman who has never been through an airport without being extended an invitation to stop and play show and tell with the contents of her backpack, can single handedly plow snow with a rake and rescue her boss in a snowstorm in Arizona.–yes, I said Arizona–after sleeping all night in a tuna can of a rental car.

An accomplished designer in her own right with an amazing sense of color and pattern, Liz can wear the designer hat in the morning, the project manager hat at noon and return to the office being the ultimate manager of all the things. Client’s love her, Subs respect her and the team adores the woman who gets “it” done-whatever “it” may be.

RESOURCES:

www.damngooddesigner.com
https://www.theinteriordesignparadigm.com/
Want to be a guest? Apply here: https://forms.clickup.com/8404193/f/80f71-613517/PFK3QDSALZ30VONMTP

    (TRAILER ONLY!) How to run a design firm like you should - A business! - Ep 30

    (TRAILER ONLY!) How to run a design firm like you should - A business! - Ep 30

    We are hitting a hot button this week and it is definitely too juicy for public consumption. Charging hourly is dead - yes, we said it. We are seeing too many coaches out there appealing to the low hanging fruit, NOT BELIEVING IN YOU or thinking you can handle flat fee pricing. We are here to tell you, you can! We are here to help you shift your mindset, helping you believe in your business model so your clients will also. We want to make you a better business owner and this is your first step in doing so!
    Make a one time purchase to listen now! Click HEREClick here to listen to our EXCLUSIVE podcast on "The Ultimate Win Win"
    3 ways to join us on this journey. No need to wait. There is a price point for everyone! 
    RESOURCE LINKS:The Design Paradigm is now enrolling! The Design Paradigm is a 12 month comprehensive and powerful business coaching program for creative entrepreneurs who are serious about running a profitable business and being the expert in the room.  It is the only coaching program to combine individual attention & accountability with live group workshops, honest video presentations and customized attention to your needs.
    The Interior Design Paradigm - Website
    Not ready for the full program? Check out our stand alone section Client Management and Processes!
    Where we will be perfecting all of the details of EVERY PROCESS in your playbook with my 100 steps up the mountain and our entire process workflow; including the important client interactions before they become clients! Then we will hone in on the win-win of expert client management after they have signed the contract!
    Damn Good Designer - Website
    Business coaching for interior designers with honest, real-deal guidance from Cheryl.
    Small Business - Think Big - Facebook
    Led by interior Design Business coach, Cheryl Clendenon, please join the free Facebook group Small Business Think Big --for designers who need honest talk and a place to work on the business, marketing and promotion small business owners need.

    • 4 min
    What is "The Cheryl Show"?

    What is "The Cheryl Show"?

    We're trying something new this week and Cheryl is in the hot seat while Liz interviews her about her process for initial consultations, also known as "The Cheryl Show." Cheryl goal is simply to get to know the potential clients and see if her firm can help them. She doesn't worry about being overly prepared for these meetings because they are organic--this is IMPORTANT! You must find the balance between being the designer that discusses the process, emphasizes the need to establish oneself as an expert AND build a relationship with the client. You must use the initial consultation as an opportunity to listen and understand the client's needs.
    Want to hear more podcasts that are too juicy for public ears?
    Click here to sign up for our private podcast!
    RESOURCE LINKS:The Design Paradigm is now enrolling! The Design Paradigm is a 12 month comprehensive and powerful business coaching program for creative entrepreneurs who are serious about running a profitable business and being the expert in the room.  It is the only coaching program to combine individual attention & accountability with live group workshops, honest video presentations and customized attention to your needs.
    The Interior Design Paradigm - Website
    Not ready for the full program? Check out our stand alone section Client Management and Processes!
    Where we will be perfecting all of the details of EVERY PROCESS in your playbook with my 100 steps up the mountain and our entire process workflow; including the important client interactions before they become clients! Then we will hone in on the win-win of expert client management after they have signed the contract!
    Damn Good Designer - Website
    Business coaching for interior designers with honest, real-deal guidance from Cheryl.
    Small Business - Think Big - Facebook
    Led by interior Design Business coach, Cheryl Clendenon, please join the free Facebook group Small Business Think Big --for designers who need honest talk and a place to work on the business, marketing and promotion small business owners need.

    • 46 min
    (TRAILER ONLY!) The Ultimate Win Win Ep 28

    (TRAILER ONLY!) The Ultimate Win Win Ep 28

    In this episode, we discuss the significance of project pricing and minimum spend requirements for achieving profitability in your design firm. But what exactly do these terms mean, and how can you integrate them into your design business? Today, they will discuss the strategy of implementing this business model  and explain why this can be a major win/win for both you–and your clients if you are going about it with intention. 
    Make a one time purchase to listen now! Click HEREClick here to listen to our EXCLUSIVE podcast on "The Ultimate Win Win"
    3 ways to join us on this journey. No need to wait. There is a price point for everyone! 
    RESOURCE LINKS:The Design Paradigm is now enrolling! The Design Paradigm is a 12 month comprehensive and powerful business coaching program for creative entrepreneurs who are serious about running a profitable business and being the expert in the room.  It is the only coaching program to combine individual attention & accountability with live group workshops, honest video presentations and customized attention to your needs.
    The Interior Design Paradigm - Website
    Damn Good Designer - Website
    Business coaching for interior designers with honest, real-deal guidance from Cheryl.
    Join our free Facebook group - Small Business Think Big and get to know Cheryl better!

    • 2 min
    Why is your client ghosting you? Ep 27

    Why is your client ghosting you? Ep 27

    Are your clients dragging their feet, hemming and hawing after the presentation and maybe even ghosting you--what do you do? In this episode we discuss five considerations when a client is not making decisions and how to handle them. Designers need to ask themselves certain questions to help determine exactly where the problem lies and if the indecision rooted in something deeper than uncertainty. There may be more than meets the eye and it is up to us, as the expert, to come up with a solution rather than blaming a client's indecision.
    Want to hear more podcasts that are too juicy for public ears?
    Click here to sign up for our private podcast!
    RESOURCE LINKS:The Design Paradigm is now enrolling! The Design Paradigm is a 12 month comprehensive and powerful business coaching program for creative entrepreneurs who are serious about running a profitable business and being the expert in the room.  It is the only coaching program to combine individual attention & accountability with live group workshops, honest video presentations and customized attention to your needs.
    The Interior Design Paradigm - Website
    Damn Good Designer - Website
    Business coaching for interior designers with honest, real-deal guidance from Cheryl.
    Small Business - Think Big - Facebook
    Led by interior Design Business coach, Cheryl Clendenon, please join the free Facebook group Small Business Think Big --for designers who need honest talk and a place to work on the business, marketing and promotion small business owners need.

    • 51 min
    (TRAILER ONLY!) Creating the Game Changer Ep 26

    (TRAILER ONLY!) Creating the Game Changer Ep 26

    What exactly is a visual scope of work? Cheryl and Liz discuss how theirs has become a game changer not only for In Detail but many other designers Cheryl has coached over the years. In this episode they dive into strategies for creating a successful scope of work and how it can be a powerful marketing tool for your business, how useful they are in setting expectations with clients, showcases the services offered by the design firm, and how this serves as a guide for both the client and the designer, ensuring that everyone is on the same page throughout the project.
    Make a one time purchase to listen now! Click HEREClick here to listen to our EXCLUSIVE podcast on "Stay in Your Lane"
    3 ways to join us on this journey. No need to wait. There is a price point for everyone! 
    AND
    Join our free Facebook group - Small Business Think Big and get to know Cheryl better!

    • 3 min
    (TRAILER ONLY!) Stay in your lane Ep 25

    (TRAILER ONLY!) Stay in your lane Ep 25

    How can you be team player without giving up your own rights?
    Working with contractors can be a tricky relationship when they want you to stay in your lane--BUT it doesn't have to be. Creating a team approach with positioning in your marketing, the copy that you use, the verbiage that you talk about, and how you talk about it with other people, all of that is so important. We discuss how important positioning to the client about it being win-win-win and how to sell this to the client and they actually need both components of this is because we do different things and we focused on different things.
    Make a one time purchase to listen now! Click HEREClick here to listen to our EXCLUSIVE podcast on "Stay in Your Lane"
    3 ways to join us on this journey. No need to wait. There is a price point for everyone! 
    AND
    Join our free Facebook group - Small Business Think Big and get to know Cheryl better!

    • 4 min

Customer Reviews

5.0 out of 5
3 Ratings

3 Ratings

KPD-TDP ,

Damn Good!

Cheryl and Liz present their business philosophies and win-win models in a straightforward (and always entertaining and inspirational!) manner. Looking forward to many more episodes! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Tgagnon55 ,

Dynamic Duo - Cheryl and Liz

I listen to podcasts all day long, and Cheryl and Liz are natural-born speakers. They have a way of captivating their audience and keeping them interested throughout the whole episode. Their personalities complement each other perfectly.

What I really appreciate is how they seamlessly blend entertainment with insightful information. They truly make learning the ins and outs of business enjoyable!

Sheridan Interiors ,

Real truths, actionable advice for running a profitable interior design business.

One of the better podcasts for actionable, sensible, real-truth interior design business info. Cheryl and Liz offer real-life in-the-trenches business insights on how to run a profitable design business, how to market and how to make it a win-win for both designer and client. A must listen. You won't have to speed it up either Cheryl's passion and rapid-fire cadence will keep your ear buds pushed into your ears so you don't miss a second of all the goodies. Well done!

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