On The Ledge - your Ontario politics podcast

Dave Trafford and iContact Productions

The Ledge, n: slang for the legislature. Mostly used by members of the legislative press gallery. On the Ledge posts weekly when the Ontario Legislature is sitting. But there have been times when we've had to "recall" the Ledge for an emergency session to address pressing matters of Ontario politics when Queen's Park isn't sitting! Our OTL team includes former Ontario Premier, Kathleen Wynne, former Progressive Conservative Leader, (and Wynne's erstwhile parliamentary sparring partner), Tim Hudak, Queen's Park broadcast commentator Keith Leslie, John Wright, our veteran pollster and co-founding host, and Dave Trafford, Chief Executive Producer at Story Studio Network.

  1. 3d ago

    Ford's latest CHEESE and CRACKER comments spark a political storm over judges and encampments

    Premier Doug Ford’s latest comments about homelessness encampments and judges sparked another political firestorm — and the On the Ledge panel has a lot to say about it. This week, Dave Trafford is joined by former Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, former PC leader Tim Hudak, veteran political journalist Keith Leslie, and pollster John Wright for a wide-ranging conversation about the politics behind homelessness, addiction, encampments, and public frustration across Ontario. The panel digs into the Waterloo Region court ruling that stalled a transit project, Ford’s escalating rhetoric toward judges, and whether governments are addressing the root causes of homelessness or simply reacting to public anger. They also unpack the growing debate around safe consumption sites, forced treatment, and the political risks surrounding Alberta separatism and Danielle Smith’s referendum strategy. Plus: Canada’s Saab defence negotiations, trade tensions with the U.S., the fallout from the Nate Erskine-Smith controversy inside the Ontario Liberal Party, and Caroline Mulroney’s surprise exit from provincial politics. Sharp analysis, strong opinions, and a few laughs along the way — this week on On the Ledge. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction and Ford’s “Wolf Howl” Moment The panel opens with lighter conversation about Premier Ford’s now-viral wolf howl before pivoting into the week’s major political stories. 03:21 – Encampments, Courts and the Waterloo Transit Dispute A heated discussion about the court ruling preventing the removal of a homeless encampment tied to a delayed transit project, including debate over judicial activism, constitutional rights, and municipal responsibility. 16:01 – Homelessness, Public Opinion and Social Policy Failures The panel examines addiction policy, supervised consumption sites, stigma around homelessness, public frustration, and whether Ontario’s government is addressing root causes or simply reacting politically. 37:18 – Alberta Separatism and Referendum Politics The group breaks down Alberta’s referendum-on-a-referendum strategy, the risks of separatist rhetoric, and the political calculations facing Premier Danielle Smith and Prime Minister Mark Carney. 44:02 – Defence Deals, Trade Tensions and Canada-U.S. Relations Discussion turns to Canada’s Saab negotiations, F-35 procurement questions, and the broader political messaging around trade and sovereignty amid strained Canada-U.S. relations. 50:02 – Ontario Liberal Turmoil and Caroline Mulroney’s Exit The panel reviews the Nate Erskine-Smith nomination controversy, the Ontario Liberal leadership race, and Caroline Mulroney’s decision to leave politics after years in public service. You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    1h 1m
  2. Dr. Cinde Lock: Project based learning in school creates community impact

    6d ago

    Dr. Cinde Lock: Project based learning in school creates community impact

    What should school look like in an age of AI, anxiety, disengagement, and rapid social change? In this episode of NOW and NEXT, Dave Trafford speaks with educator and author Dr. Cinde Lock about redesigning education for a generation that needs more than standardized testing and rigid curriculum structures. Drawing on innovative programs developed at Pickering College, Dr. Lock explains how schools can connect academics to purpose, community engagement, entrepreneurship, creativity, and real-world problem solving. The conversation explores why traditional education models are struggling to keep students engaged, how AI could help personalize learning, and why the future of school may depend on giving students greater ownership over what and how they learn. Dave and Dr. Lock also discuss: Student mental health and absenteeismProject-based and experiential learningAI-assisted curriculum designCivic engagement and community partnershipsEntrepreneurship, creativity, and resilienceThe future role of teachersWhy education systems must evolve beyond industrial-age thinking The episode also features remarkable examples of students working on homelessness awareness campaigns, environmental restoration projects, bee hive sustainability initiatives, and community advocacy efforts that produced real-world impact beyond the classroom. Dr. Lock’s new book, Connections, Academics and Purpose: Designing the Future of School, explores how education systems can evolve to better prepare students for an uncertain future while helping them discover meaning, purpose, and confidence along the way. Chapters 00:00 - Dave welcomes you to this special edition of On the Ledge. This episode was originally recoreded and produced for his NOW and NEXT podcast. 03:00 — Introduction: Designing the Future of School Dave Trafford introduces Dr. Cinde Lock and the conversation about rethinking education beyond the traditional classroom model. 08:59 — Testing, Standardized Assessments and Student Anxiety The discussion examines EQAO testing, academic pressure, and whether schools have become too focused on evaluation rather than engagement. 14:46 — AI, Personalized Learning and Student-Driven Curriculum Dr. Lock outlines a future-facing vision where students navigate curriculum through personalized projects, mentorship, and AI-supported learning systems. 23:34 — Breaking the System: Scaling Educational Innovation Can innovative learning models work beyond elite schools? The conversation turns to implementation, teacher culture, and public education reform. 34:08 — Real-World Learning: Homelessness, Civic Engagement and Community Impact Students work with Blue Door and local organizations to tackle homelessness stigma, influencing public debate and local political thinking. 40:43 — Failure, Resilience and Why Real Learning Matters From bee hive collapses to environmental restoration projects, Dr. Lock explains why experimentation, setbacks, and iteration are essential parts of meaningful education. You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    47 min
  3. May 21

    Is Doug Ford going to spoil Toronto's Waterfront and Niagara's view of the Falls?

    Alberta separatism, Billy Bishop Airport expansion, Metrolinx transparency, Niagara politics, and Doug Ford’s latest infrastructure ambitions — this week’s On the Ledge covers a wide stretch of Canada’s political fault lines. Dave Trafford is joined by former Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, former Ontario PC leader Tim Hudak, pollster John Wright, and veteran political journalist Keith Leslie for a wide-ranging conversation on the political tensions shaping Ontario and the country. Kathleen Wynne joins from Calgary with firsthand insight into the growing conversation around Alberta separation and Western alienation. The panel debates whether a referendum vote could become Canada’s version of Brexit, the role Danielle Smith is playing inside Alberta politics, and whether Ottawa is taking the threat seriously enough. Back in Ontario, the panel breaks down the political and economic questions surrounding proposed Billy Bishop Airport expansion plans, including concerns about waterfront development, infrastructure planning, transparency, and the lack of a public business case. The discussion also explores delays tied to Metrolinx projects, Niagara’s proposed mega Ferris wheel tourism concept, and the ongoing debate over accountability and political distraction at Queen’s Park. Plus: Niagara regional chair speculation, strong mayor powers, and a championship track-and-field story from the Hudak household to close out the show. #OntarioPolitics #DougFord #Alberta #BillyBishop #DanielleSmith #Metrolinx #TorontoPolitics #OnTheLedge #CanadianPolitics #NiagaraFalls Chapters00:00 – Introduction and Kathleen Wynne’s Calgary observations02:40 – Alberta separatism, referendum fears, and Brexit comparisons15:18 – National unity, provincial politics, and Danielle Smith’s political balancing act23:01 – Billy Bishop Airport expansion and Toronto referendum debate36:35 – Metrolinx transparency, infrastructure delays, and the Niagara Ferris wheel49:43 – Niagara regional chair politics and closing moments You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    59 min
  4. May 14

    Ford Under Fire for Gravy Plane Cost & Trucking Safety While Nate Erskine Smith blows up the Ontario Liberals

    The “gravy plane” story refuses to go away — and this week on On the Ledge, the panel breaks down why the Ford government’s latest document dump may have created more questions than answers. Host Dave Trafford is joined by former Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, veteran political journalist Keith Leslie, and pollster John Wright for a wide-ranging discussion about accountability, affordability, and the political risks facing the Ford government heading into summer. The panel examines the nearly $200,000 in added costs tied to Ontario’s controversial aircraft purchase and resale, why opposition parties continue to hammer the issue, and whether Doug Ford’s recent messaging reset is actually connecting with voters struggling with grocery prices, fuel costs, and economic anxiety. Also in this episode: The Auditor General’s troubling findings on trucking safety oversightAI use in Ontario healthcare and the politics of “hallucinating” headlinesOngoing failures at the Family Responsibility OfficeDeclining media scrutiny and the erosion of accountability mechanismsOntario Liberal Party infighting and the Nate Erskine-Smith nomination controversy It’s another candid, fast-moving conversation about the stories shaping Ontario politics right now — and what they could mean for the months ahead. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction and the latest “gravy plane” revelations 05:00 – Opposition strategy, political tone, and Ford’s messaging reset 13:00 – Affordability pressures, cost-of-living politics, and Doug Ford’s new video strategy 23:20 – Auditor General reports: trucking safety, AI in healthcare, and accountability gaps 34:15 – Government transparency, media decline, and the changing accountability landscape 51:20 – Ontario Liberal Party turmoil, Nate Erskine-Smith controversy, and leadership speculation Ontario Politics Podcast: Doug Ford Gravy Plane Scandal, Cost of Living Crisis & Auditor General ReportFord Government Accountability Questions Grow | Ontario Politics, AI Healthcare & Liberal Party DramaOntario Politics Explained: Gravy Plane Costs, Affordability Anxiety & Nate Erskine-Smith Controversy You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    1h 3m
  5. May 7

    Another week. Same question. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING, DOUG?

    Doug Ford’s government is facing mounting pressure — and this week on On the Ledge, the panel breaks down why the controversy around the “gravy plane,” freedom-of-information changes, and Highway 413 transparency questions just won’t go away. Host Dave Trafford is joined by former Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, veteran pollster John Wright, and longtime Queen’s Park journalist Keith Leslie for a wide-ranging discussion about political tone, accountability, affordability, and the future of Ontario politics. The conversation examines Ford’s increasingly testy exchanges with reporters, the government’s effort to move the agenda back toward trade and economic issues, and whether voters are paying more attention to affordability concerns than political scandals. The panel also digs into the Ontario government’s handling of Greenbelt-related information requests and why critics keep asking one central question: “What are you hiding?” Plus: The escalating tone at Queen’s ParkMarit Stiles vs. Doug FordWhy teacher negotiations could define the fall political seasonHonda’s pause on Ontario EV investmentsWhether Ontario missed its chance to build EV infrastructure properlyNate Erskine-Smith and the Scarborough Southwest Liberal nomination battleWhat Ontario Liberals still need before they can seriously challenge Ford The episode also includes a preview of an upcoming conversation about the future of education and innovative student-led learning models at Pickering College. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction and Ford’s difficult return to the spotlight 06:45 – Transparency fights: FOI battles, Greenbelt questions, and the “what are you hiding?” problem 17:05 – Schools, labour unrest, and why the fall political season could become explosive 27:40 – Political tone, civility, and escalating rhetoric at Queen’s Park 36:45 – Honda pauses EV investment and Ontario’s uncertain automotive future 45:25 – Scarborough Southwest nomination battle and Ontario Liberal leadership speculation You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    51 min
  6. May 1

    All's Quiet on the Ford Front

    It was a rough week for Ontario Premier Doug Ford. His Tories are looking up at the leaderless Liberals in latest polling. His tone-deaf, off brand decision to buy a jet. An unhinged rant against Liberal MPP Stephanie Smyth. And gutting the Freedom of Information laws paint the Premier as unaccountable and sneaky. This week’s On the Ledge former Premier, the Honourable Kathleen Wynne, former Ontario PC Leader and Mayor of Toronto, John Tory, veteran political commentator Keith Leslie and Toronto SUN columnist Brian Lilley join host Dave Trafford to dig into a challenging stretch for Premier Doug Fordand broader questions about the government’s direction.  For the first time in months, the conversation on the pod has NOT been dominated by comments Premier Ford made at "an unrelated news conference". The legislature is not sitting this week and, uncharacteristically, Ford has not used the off week to make his usual podium pronouncements from various provincial locales. Is the premier purposefully stepping away from the media this week? Probably advisable given the comms, policy, polling and political grief he's been taking - including his decision to expropirate most of the Toronto Islands, Little Norway Park and big-foot his way into municipal politics across the province. It leads us to focus on his apparant  lack of vision and messaging discipline. With no election on the horizon, the question isn’t just what happens next. The question is whether the Ford government can reset, refocus, and recover by articulating a compelling agenda for the years ahead. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction Dave Trafford introduces On the Ledge and the roundtable. 01:15 – Ford’s Rough Weeks and the Stephanie Smythe Fallout The panel discusses Doug Ford’s apology, media blowback, and questions about political judgment. 04:00 – Communication Discipline and Overexposure John Tory, Keith Leslie, and the panel examine why premiers get into trouble when they answer for every issue. 06:15 – FOI, Accountability and the Greenbelt Connection The discussion turns to freedom-of-information changes and concerns about what the government may be trying to shield. 09:20 – Billy Bishop Airport and Toronto’s Waterfront Fight The panel explores the proposed airport expansion, municipal politics, Olivia Chow, and waterfront livability. 19:20 – Strong Mayor Powers and Regional Governance Discussion shifts to Niagara, appointed regional chairs, municipal restructuring, and democratic accountability. 24:30 – Ford’s Poll Slump and an Aimless Government Brian Lilley’s column frames a broader debate about whether the Ford government has lost its sense of purpose. 28:45 – What’s the Vision for a Fourth Ford Mandate? The panel looks at polling, “time for change” numbers, affordability, infrastructure, and whether Ford can reset. 37:30 – Taxes, Public Services and the ‘Am I Better Off?’ Test Debate over Ford’s no-tax-increase record, education funding, health care, housing, and day-to-day affordability. 41:55 – Remote Work, Queen’s Park and Political Hypocrisy The panel discusses reports that Ford worked from home after ordering public servants back to the office. 47:30 – Cell Phones in Schools and Education Culture Brian Lilley and the panel discuss school cell phone rules, parents, teachers, and broader challenges in education. You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    54 min
  7. Apr 24

    Ford's GRAVY PLANE is a failed Vanity Project

    Host: Dave Trafford Guests: John Wright (CEO, Canada Pulse Insights), Kathleen Wynne (Former Premier of Ontario), Keith Leslie (CHTV, veteran Queen’s Park observer) This week’s episode captures a fast-moving and volatile moment at Queen’s Park, anchored by a controversial exchange in the legislature involving Premier Doug Ford and Liberal MPP Stephanie Smythe. The panel unpacks what they describe as an inappropriate and personal attack, with discussion centering on political tone, leadership under pressure, and the broader implications for Ford’s public image. Beyond the incident itself, the conversation expands into the political context driving it: backlash over the government’s now-cancelled private jet purchase, growing scrutiny around retroactive changes to freedom of information (FOI) laws, and questions about transparency—particularly tied to Greenbelt-related decisions. The panel debates whether these issues represent short-term political noise or longer-term damage to the Premier’s credibility, with differing views on how much it will impact polling versus shaping a future ballot question. The episode closes with a forward-looking discussion on Ontario Liberal leadership contenders, evolving opposition strategies (particularly from the NDP), and how digital campaigning and AI-driven messaging could reshape the next election cycle. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction & Week in Flux A rapidly shifting political week sets the stage, with multiple controversies colliding at Queen’s Park.02:13 – Legislature Blow-Up & Political Tone Panel reacts to the Premier’s comments and the broader implications for decorum and leadership under pressure.07:01 – Fallout, Apology Debate & Leadership Optics Discussion on whether the Premier crossed a line and what an apology would—or wouldn’t—fix.14:03 – Policy Pressure: FOI, Greenbelt & Governance Concerns Examination of deeper structural issues driving political tension, including transparency and decision-making.27:19 – The Jet Controversy & “Gravy Plane” Politics Breakdown of the failed aircraft purchase, messaging missteps, and why it resonated so strongly with the public.49:39 – Liberal Leadership Race & Opposition Strategy Early candidates emerge as panel assesses the opposition’s path forward and evolving campaign tactics. You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    57 min
  8. Apr 9

    War in Iran cause affordability crisis across Canada

    This week on On the Ledge, the panel navigates a rapidly shifting political landscape—both globally and at home. The conversation opens with the escalating instability in the Middle East, examining the geopolitical uncertainty surrounding Iran, ceasefire tensions, and the broader implications for global security and energy markets. Back in Canada, the discussion turns to rising gas prices and the structural challenges facing Canada’s energy sector, including refining capacity, pipeline politics, and the limits of government intervention. The panel also digs into federal political shockwaves following Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu’s floor crossing to the Liberals, exploring leadership dynamics, party identity, and what it means for Prime Minister Mark Carney’s “big tent.” At Queen’s Park, attention shifts to regional governance reforms and the Ford government’s move toward appointing regional chairs—raising concerns about democratic accountability and centralized power. Finally, the conversation closes with a deep dive into Ontario’s proposed Freedom of Information (FOI) changes, with the panel unpacking why a seemingly technical issue is resonating with voters and feeding broader concerns about transparency and trust in government. Chapters 00:00 – Introduction & Panel Setup Dave Trafford sets the stage with a fast-moving political week and introduces the panel.01:15 – Middle East Crisis & Global Instability Discussion on Iran, ceasefire uncertainty, and geopolitical risks shaping global politics and markets.09:00 – Gas Prices & Canada’s Energy Dilemma Debate over refining capacity, pipelines, and why Canadians still pay high fuel prices.15:30 – Floor Crossing Shock: Gladue to Liberals Analysis of party identity, leadership, and implications for Carney and Poilievre.27:20 – Regional Governance Shakeup in Ontario Ford government reforms, appointed chairs, and the debate over democratic accountability.47:30 – FOI Changes & Growing Trust Deficit Why transparency issues are breaking through with voters and creating political risk. You can watch OR listen to this episode on our YouTube Channel (Be sure to subscribe!) Follow Dave on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and X And you can leave us a voice comment here! For more information go to Dave's website.

    57 min
4.2
out of 5
31 Ratings

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The Ledge, n: slang for the legislature. Mostly used by members of the legislative press gallery. On the Ledge posts weekly when the Ontario Legislature is sitting. But there have been times when we've had to "recall" the Ledge for an emergency session to address pressing matters of Ontario politics when Queen's Park isn't sitting! Our OTL team includes former Ontario Premier, Kathleen Wynne, former Progressive Conservative Leader, (and Wynne's erstwhile parliamentary sparring partner), Tim Hudak, Queen's Park broadcast commentator Keith Leslie, John Wright, our veteran pollster and co-founding host, and Dave Trafford, Chief Executive Producer at Story Studio Network.

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