The Gifted Neurodivergent Podcast Lillian Skinner

Trigger Warning: This episode contains brief references to attempted suicide.
In this episode of the Gifted Neurodivergent Podcast, I interview Ethan R. Gibson, author of 'Nonchalant Perfectionism'. You can find his book here: https://a.co/d/c9fnsTs.
At just 21, Ethan wrote this book reflecting on his journey from addiction and an attempted suicide to his experiences working in a group home for young sex offenders—a journey that offered insights into the therapeutic potential of fostering emotional resilience and self-awareness from a young age.
Despite having no prior writing experience or formal training, Ethan wrote, edited, and published his first book. We discuss how intense emotions fueled his creative process. It might be more accurate to say that his emotions galvanized his intellect to create this book. We also explore how somatic giftedness manifests and how Ethan did something our educational systems often claim is impossible: he created without being instructed. Being twice-exceptional with pronounced somatic giftedness is why this was possible. In other words, Ethan is a savant.
Ethan shares his personal struggle with perfectionism, the pressures of societal expectations, and his journey towards understanding and constructively using his emotions. He highlights the value of negative emotions as a catalyst for creativity and profound change.


00:00 Welcome to the Gifted Neurodivergent Podcast
00:04 Introducing Ethan Gibson: A Journey of Nonchalant Perfectionism
00:25 The Power of Somatic Intelligence in the Neurodivergent Community
01:44 Ethan's Personal Journey: From Perfectionism to Emotional Awareness
21:09 Understanding Emotional Resilience and Sensitivity
24:15 Navigating Personal Connections and Emotional Boundaries
24:47 Exploring Emotional Management Through Physical Activities
25:49 The Creative Process and Overcoming Personal Struggles
26:12 The Journey of Writing and Self-Discovery
30:57 Addressing Emotional Resilience and Recovery
36:28 Insights from Working in a Group Home for Young Offenders
46:29 Reflecting on Personal Growth and the Power of Negative Emotions
52:27 Concluding Thoughts on Creativity, Healing, and Emotional Value

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In the realm of cognitive brilliance, the stories that resonate most are those that challenge conventional perceptions and unfold the rich tapestry of human intellect and emotion. Lillian Skinner, the host of the **Gifted Neurodivergent Podcast**, introduces us to Anshar Seraphim—a figure of remarkable cognitive intelligence and a testament to the extraordinary capacities of neurodivergent individuals.

Anshar's journey from being predominantly nonverbal, with autism, to becoming a beacon of insight and empathy is nothing short of inspiring. Navigating through the challenges of a late autism diagnosis, sensory processing issues, and synesthesia, Anshar illuminates the intricate relationship between neurodiversity and personal growth. His story underscores the importance of understanding and accepting one's neurodivergence as a unique asset rather than a limitation.

An essential theme that emerges from the conversation is the profound role sensitivity plays in shaping one's intellectual and emotional landscape. Both Lillian and Anshar share how their heightened sensitivities have been pivotal in their journeys. This sensitivity, often seen as a hindrance, is reframed as a powerful tool for creativity, learning, and adaptation.

The dialogue takes a critical turn as it questions the traditional educational system's ability to nurture neurodivergent individuals. Lillian and Anshar explore the notion that the system, in many ways, stifles creativity and forces conformity at the expense of personal and intellectual freedom. They advocate for a society that values and cultivates the unique abilities of neurodivergent individuals, allowing them to contribute in ways that align with their innate strengths.

A recurring motif in the discussion is the transformative power of finding community—a group of peers who reflect and understand each other's experiences. For Lillian and Anshar, connecting with like-minded individuals has been instrumental in their personal and professional development. This sense of belonging and mutual understanding fosters a nurturing environment where individuals can thrive and explore their potential without fear of judgment.

As the conversation draws to a close, Lillian and Anshar contemplate the future of neurodivergence in an evolving world. They touch upon the potential impacts of artificial intelligence, environmental challenges, and societal shifts on neurodivergent individuals. The discussion points towards a need for adaptive strategies that leverage neurodiverse talents and sensitivities to navigate the complexities of the 21st century.

The insightful exchange between Lillian Skinner and Anshar Seraphim shines a light on the intricacies of neurodivergence and the untapped potential that lies within. It challenges us to rethink our views on intelligence, education, and societal norms. By embracing and celebrating the diversity of the human mind, we can foster a world that appreciates the full spectrum of brilliance and enables everyone to find their path to success and fulfillment.

The conversation between Lillian and Anshar serves as a powerful reminder that in the journey toward understanding and valuing neurodivergence, we are not just uncovering new ways of thinking; we are rediscovering the essence of what it means to be authentically human.

Contact Anshar here:
https://linqapp.com/anshar_seraphim

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Redefining 2e as Cognitive and  Somatic Giftedness  

In this episode of The Gifted Neurodivergent Podcast, I propose redefining "twice exceptional" from its current understanding, which combines disability and giftedness, to a new definition emphasizing "twice giftedness" in both somatic and cognitive domains.
I contend that disabilities in this context are caused by the education system's suppression of somatic intelligence. Our systems tend to cultivate a singular type of intelligence, often at the expense of those who possess alternative forms. The more sensitive an individual is, the more they are likely to be undermined by these systems.


Further, I argue that our societal structures are tailored to favor those exhibiting psychopathic traits. This emphasis on the absence of emotion alienates most individuals, but it particularly benefits psychopaths, who generally lack emotional depth and often operate ruthlessly. I suggest that the rise and fall of societies are intricately linked to the promotion of narcissism and the preferential treatment of individuals with psychopathic tendencies, as opposed to those who are highly emotional.

I present two examples: one illustrating cognitive giftedness and the other showcasing somatic giftedness, both within the neurodivergent spectrum but not classified as twice exceptional (2e). Additionally, I explore how individuals identified as 2e often share many traits with both groups but also possess a unique blend of these attributes, which sets them apart as creative intellectuals. This distinct combination in 2e individuals reflects a synergy of cognitive and somatic gifts, contributing to their unique intellectual and creative capacities.


00:00 Welcome to the Gifted Neurodivergent Podcast
00:22 The Journey of Creativity and Self-Expression
01:13 Redefining Twice Exceptionalism: A New Perspective
02:58 The Creative Power of Somatic Intelligence
03:53 The Suppression of Creativity by Educational Systems
07:25 Navigating the Future with Natural Intelligence
10:40 The Impact of Educational Systems on Outliers
15:45 Understanding Neurodivergence and Systemic Suppression
17:28 The Role of Cognitive and Somatic Intelligence in Society
21:00 Personal Stories: The Impact of Neurodivergence on Family Dynamics
23:23 Understanding Neurodivergence and Family Dynamics
24:02 Exploring Somatic Giftedness and Social Challenges
24:57 Navigating Shame and Self-Acceptance
25:34 The Dichotomy of Cognitive and Somatic Intelligence
27:32 The Struggle of Twice Exceptional Individuals
30:30 The Impact of Trauma on Somatic Giftedness
31:07 Challenging the System: Recognizing Diverse Talents
32:41 The Devaluation of Craftsmanship and Creativity
39:49 Redefining Success and Cultivating Individual Talents
44:11 Envisioning a Future Focused on Nurturing Exceptional Children

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In this episode, I explore the detrimental effects of societal expectations on highly sensitive individuals. I argue that the most damaging aspect of the relationship between sensitivity, intelligence, and insanity arises from societal institutions, especially education. These institutions often favor psychopathic and narcissistic traits at the expense of highly sensitive individuals, leading to frequent chronic mental and physical health issues.
I present examples of renowned geniuses throughout history who have suffered due to their heightened intelligence and sensitivity in American and European societies. This highlights the harsh reality that our society often fails to properly value those who make significant contributions, treating them instead as disposable resources.


I stress the need for paradigm shifts that more effectively support sensitive individuals. I suggest creating specialized environments dedicated to and for sensitive people, where their unique values and talents are acknowledged, understood, and fostered. Neglecting to make these changes risks losing those most equipped to develop solutions for our future challenges. 
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Topic
00:12 Society's Impact on Mental and Physical Health
01:17 The Power of Intellectual Autonomy
01:43 Global Threats and the Need for Self-Trust
03:59 The Role of Empathy and Altruism
05:26 The Flaws of the Education System
06:47 The Importance of Storytelling
09:48 The Struggles of Being Different
10:14 The Power of a Healthy Environment
13:36 The Importance of Unity and Collaboration
14:30 The Role of Education in Suppressing Genius
21:15 The Impact of Forced Education on Gifted Children
23:45 The Need for Change in the Education System
26:03 The Impact of Peer Intelligence on Child Development
26:47 The Misunderstanding of Gifted Children's Development
27:01 The Struggle of Raising Gifted Children in a Conventional System
27:39 The Importance of Nurturing Individuality in Children
30:03 The Power of Healing Through Connection
32:34 The Tragic Impact of the Education System on Creatives
34:11 The Health Struggles of Historical Geniuses
39:44 The Need for a New Approach to Education for Highly Sensitive People
45:12 The Power of Sensory Perception in Learning
49:33 The Importance of Cultivating and Healing Each Other
50:09 The Inefficiency of Traditional Teaching Methods
50:40 Updates and Future Plans
51:15 Conclusion: The Value of This Discussion
I reference the following sources in this podcast.
Terry Doyle Talking About His Book - Learner Centered Teaching
https://youtu.be/AlEgA_U2FnY

The Learning Pyramid of Retention
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-learning-pyramid-Learning-Pyramid-2020_fig1_350582593

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/14/891140598/understanding-unconscious-bias
The table Information transmission rates of the senses shows how much information is processed by each of the five senses. This table immediately directs attention to the problem of determining what is happening to all this data. In other words, the human body sends 11 million bits per second to the brain for processing, yet the conscious mind seems to be able to process only 50 bits per second. 

Donald and Gua - Infant, Human and Chimpanzee, Raised as Siblings.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3802699/experiment-baby-donald-ape-human-killing-himself/
https://youtu.be/gCxf7yUDzio
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/guy-simultaneously-raised-chimp-and-baby-exactly-same-way-see-what-would-happen-180952171/
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In this podcast I speak with Irene Gottlieb about the Trifecta of syndromes that impacts many of the most sensitivity individuals. Irene is profoundly gifted, runs a school for the profoundly gifted and has three children who are profoundly gifted. She has a lot of day to day experience with individuals who possess the trifecta of: Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS),  Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS) and Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS).
Irene has a lot of experience researching the Trifecta. First as the mother of three children who have have the trifecta and second as the founder of a school where it is quite common. I originally heard Irene talk on this subject over the summer of 2023. I went to the talk knowing my family had two of these syndromes and left knowing we actually had all three of these syndromes. There is very little information on these syndromes, particularly MCAS, and Irene is one of the most knowledgeable people I know on the subject. I asked her to join me on my podcast and she graciously gave me 7 hours of her time during which we recorded this multi-part podcast. 
POTS Defined
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16560-postural-orthostatic-tachycardia-syndrome-pots
Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome Defined
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ehlers-danlos-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362125
Mast Cell Activation Syndrome Defined
https://www.aaaai.org/conditions-treatments/related-conditions/mcas

PART 2 CAN BE ACCESSED HERE.

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I believe the obesity epidemic signifies a sensitivity to the schedules imposed by our systems on everyone. Obesity, in my view, is a consequence of the struggle to conform to increasingly restrictive and demanding systems, coupled with a diminishing nutritional quality in our food supply. The choices we make regarding nutrition are driven by the need for increasing dopamine rewards, which, in the short term, help us adhere to our schedules.
Obesity rates are on the rise across all Western societies. While it was initially observed in the most sensitive individuals, it now appears that either sensitivity is increasing or our societal systems breaking down are pushing everyone into a situation where fitting into the schedules we first learn in school is no longer feasible. I am concerned that as our society approaches its end, we may find few individuals healthy enough to bring about the necessary changes for a successful transition.
The research landscape in this area is still evolving, and recent insights suggest that others are also discovering connections between neurodivergence and obesity. You can explore this in the following supporting papers.
 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9775563/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7551752/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6356459/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10519741/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7335278/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8775294/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fped.2020.535705/full
The ongoing journey to comprehend the intricate interplay between higher cognition, neurodivergence, and obesity has given rise to another theory.
One I am asking for your feedback on. Do you find this to be true for you? Please let me know at info@giftednd.com.

In neurotypicals the cognitively mind breaks before the body does. This is the purpose of boot camp. To break the mind and build it back as a no thinking enlisted body for war. (NT) 

In neurodivergents the sensing body breaks before the mind does. This is what college is for. It breaks our body to make it a slave to the needs of the mind. (ND) 

In the 2e, those of us with both high sensing and cognitive intelligence, there is a constant battle for resources between the two. For us the emotions and intellect must connect for us to be mentally and physically healthy. 

For the 2e it is mental agony to have them separate and everything in our society insists they be separated. This only serves the powerful not the individual or the society. Separation manifests illness in both mind and body. But when your emotions and intellect connected your syndromes, your sensitivity and your highly aware neurodivergent brain functioning help you find your optimum functioning. (2e) 

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