The Trauma-Informed Lawyer

Myrna McCallum
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This podcast was created for lawyers however anyone who works with people will benefit from this content. Through inspiring interviews, courageous conversations and thoughtful commentary, Myrna and her guests shine a light on a critical ethical competency lawyers missed in law school: trauma-informed lawyering. This is a do-no-further-harm, relational approach to the practice of law which benefits you, your clients, your colleagues and the legal profession generally. For lawyers and non-lawyers alike, this is your education in trauma, resilience, compassion, empathy, humility, boundaries, vicarious trauma and good professional relationship strategies you didn't know you needed. Artwork titled, "Myrna at Moonrise" by Métis artist Leah Marie Dorion.

  1. 19 HRS AGO

    Emotional Justice, Racial Healing and the Work We Must Do with Esther A. Armah

    "You cannot PhD your way out of untreated trauma." That is the foundation of Esther Armah's Emotional Justice framework — and in this conversation, she and Myrna McCallum go deep into what racial healing actually requires, and who it asks the most of. Esther is a journalist, playwright, and global emotional justice advocate joining us from Accra, Ghana.  Drawing on her encounters with Winnie Mandela, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, and Nchiki Biko — the widow of Steve Biko who famously refused to forgive the officers who murdered her husband at the TRC — Esther unpacks why reconciliation is not liberation language, why Nelson Mandela's message of forgiveness placed an impossible emotional burden on Black people, and what the emotional work of white people actually looks like. Myrna brings her own reckoning: years of fawning for white audiences, softening the language of colonial trauma, and what it finally cost her to name it. This is Part 1. Esther will be back. Esther Armah is a Ghanaian-British journalist, playwright, radio host, and creator of the Emotional Justice framework. She is the author of Emotional Justice: A Roadmap for Racial Healing. She joins this episode from Accra, Ghana. IN THIS EPISODE — How Esther's mother's broken silence about the 1966 Ghana coup gave birth to Emotional Justice — and the insight that "you cannot PhD your way out of untreated trauma" — What Winnie Mandela told Esther before she interviewed Desmond Tutu: listen to the women first — Nchiki Biko's refusal to forgive at the TRC, the murder of Steve Biko, and why her "no" cracked open a new understanding of racialized forgiveness — Why reconciliation bypasses justice and repair — and how Canada's TRC has replicated the same harm as South Africa's — Nelson Mandela's forgiveness narrative: a political act of its time, and why it seeded a dangerous legacy — The emotional work that belongs to white people — Intimate Reckoning, Emotional Patriarchy, and the difference between proximity to power and actual allyship — The language of whiteness: how all of us are taught to center whiteness, and the emotional work of letting it go — Myrna's own reckoning: years of fawning for white audiences and what it took to name it — The three Cs — Courage, Comfort, and Convenience — and how we each choose to contribute to or resist systems of harm — Why you cannot self-care your way towards liberation, and what communal care actually requires — Isolation vs. solitude — why hiding can be part of healing, and why isolation is the death of liberation — Wellness in the Face of Warfare: what it means to choose wellness when your health is considered a threat to whiteness   QUOTES "You cannot PhD your way out of untreated trauma. There is no amount of education that will replace the emotional work we all have to do." — Esther Armah   "Reconciliation is not liberation language. It is conciliatory language designed to sustain how whiteness comforts and soothes itself." — Esther Armah   "In Canada, your superpower is to mask your violence in polite neutrality and somehow describe it as no longer violence. We see that — because that's part of British whiteness." — Esther Armah   PEOPLE MENTIONED — Winnie Mandela — South African anti-apartheid activist — Archbishop Desmond Tutu — South African human rights leader — Nchiki Biko — widow of Steve Biko; her refusal to forgive at the TRC was pivotal to Esther's framework — Nelson Mandela — discussed in relation to racialized forgiveness — Resmaa Menakem — referenced by Myrna on having skin in the game — Kwame Nkrumah — first independent president of Ghana; quoted on political and economic liberation   RESOURCES Emotional Justice: A Roadmap for Racial Healing by Esther Armah - You can buy it here: https://www.amazon.ca/Emotional-Justice-Roadmap-Racial-Healing/dp/1523003367 estherarmah.com  https://www.theaiej.com/ myrnamccallum.co

    1h 5m

  2. APR 29

    Revolutionary Love: My Conversation with Dr. Samah Jabr

    In this powerful and unflinching conversation, Dr. Samah Jabr explains the psychological realities of Palestinian life under occupation in Gaza. We move beyond headlines to examine the lived experience of genocide, collective trauma, and the systematic use of brutality, torture, and humiliation as tools of control. Dr. Jabr offers a deeply grounded analysis of colonial trauma—how it embeds itself not only in individuals, but in families, communities, and generations. Together, we unpack the psychological impact of ongoing violence, the erosion of dignity, and the ways in which survival itself becomes an act of resistance. Yet this conversation is not only about harm—it is also about healing. We explore community as medicine, the role of collective care, and the power of solidarity across movements. Drawing on liberation psychology, Dr. Jabr reframes mental health beyond individual pathology, calling us toward a more political, relational, and justice-oriented understanding of healing. At its core, this episode is an invitation to witness, to feel, and to consider what revolutionary love looks like in the face of trauma. Resources & Further Reading: You can learn more about Dr. Jabr here: https://drsamahjabr.com/ Behind the Frontlines: Tales of Resistance and Resilience in Palestine by Dr. Samah Jabr Content Note: This episode includes discussion of genocide, war, torture, and systemic violence. Please listen with care.

    1h 6m

  3. APR 23

    Debriefing Justice as Trauma with Ally & Mariana

    In this episode, I’m joined by my team—Ally and Mariana—for a candid debrief after our recent conference. We take you behind the scenes of what it really took to bring this gathering to life. We share: The moments that stood out most—the powerful, the unexpected, and the deeply moving Some of the challenges and pressure points we navigated along the way The wins we’re celebrating (both visible and behind the scenes) Reflections on the speakers, their messages, and the impact they left on us The people and moments that shifted us in ways we’re still processing This conversation is honest, reflective, and rooted in what it means to do this kind of work in real time—not just when things go right, but when they’re complex, emotional, and evolving. If you’ve ever wondered what happens after the event ends, this is that conversation. The closing Maori prayer of protection was given by Tere Davis who is the Chairperson of Hei Tatau Pounamu, a tikanga‑based restorative justice trust in Auckland.

    1h 16m

  4. MAR 19

    There Is No Healing or Justice Without the Liberation of Children

    In this deeply honest, vulnerable,  courageous and inter-generational conversation, I am joined by Leslie Priscilla of Latinx Parenting, my daughter Ally Hrbacek, Mariana Trujillo-Lezama, and her mother Claudia Lezama. Together, we explore a powerful and necessary truth: there is no healing or justice without the liberation of children. We name something many struggle to say out loud—children are often mistreated in ways that have been normalized. Through control, punishment, dismissal, and the assumption of adult authority, harm is perpetuated in everyday parenting practices. Leslie calls this what it is: adult supremacy, and challenges us to radically rethink how we relate to children. This conversation moves beyond blame and into awareness. Across generations, we reflect on the parenting we received, the patterns we’ve inherited, and the courage it takes to interrupt cycles of harm. We speak to the tension of loving our children deeply while also confronting the ways we may unknowingly replicate what hurt us. We also hold a profound truth: children are not just beings we raise—they are teachers, mirrors, and healers. They reveal where we are still wounded. They invite us to reconnect with our own inner children. And they call us into the work of healing—not just individually, but across generations. In this episode, we explore: the normalization of harm in parenting; power, control, and adult supremacy; what it means to truly love and respect children;  children as teachers and guides in our healing; the necessity of re-parenting ourselves; and why the liberation of children is essential to any vision of justice or healing. This is not a conversation about perfect parenting. It is a conversation about truth, accountability, and transformation. Because how we treat children shapes not only families— but the world we are creating. --- Leslie Priscilla is a parent coach, educator, and the founder of Latinx Parenting, a bilingual movement rooted in children’s rights, social and racial justice, nonviolence, and intergenerational healing. Her work focuses on: liberating children from harmful and oppressive parenting practices supporting parents in reparenting themselves healing intergenerational and ancestral trauma and decolonizing family systems She has worked with thousands of parents, educators, and professionals through workshops, trainings, and community-based programming. Leslie’s highly anticipated book, Chancla: Healing Our Families, Ourselves, and Our Culture through Nonviolent Parenting, is available for pre-order and will be released on August 18, 2026. In Chancla, Leslie: examines “la chancla” as both a cultural symbol and a legacy of normalized violence invites readers to move away from fear, shame, and corporal punishment offers a path rooted in connection, reflection, and ancestral healing and supports readers in healing both their parenting practices and their inner child Blending storytelling, history, and practical tools, this book is a guide for anyone seeking to break cycles and create homes grounded in love, safety, and respect. Connect with Leslie Website: Latinx Parenting Instagram: @LatinxParenting Instagram (Leslie): @comadre.wellness Leslie will also be presenting at the Justice as Trauma Summit in Vancouver from April 7-9. Learn more here: www.myrnamccallum.co/jat2026

    1h 59m

  5. JAN 19

    Love and Healing Through Art and Storytelling with Shain Jackson

    In this intimate and wide-ranging conversation, Myrna sits down with her best friend Shain Jackson for a soulful exploration of love, art, healing, spirituality, and relationship—with all the honesty, laughter, and tenderness that only a lifelong friendship allows. Together, they reflect on how love shapes who we become, how trauma informs our relationships, and how learning to listen—to ourselves, to spirit, and to one another—is an ongoing practice. This episode weaves personal stories with deeper teachings about healing, creativity, and the role of art as a living, breathing expression of spiritual connection. Shain shares the vision behind his Story Booth Project, an initiative dedicated to creating physical recording spaces where Indigenous people can safely share and preserve their stories, teachings, and lived experiences for future generations. Rooted in respect, sovereignty, and cultural continuity, the project is both an act of preservation and a form of resistance. The conversation also touches on Shain’s entrepreneurial and community-building work through Spirit Works, as well as his nonprofit Golden Eagle Rising, which centers Indigenous resurgence, creativity, and community care. At its heart, this episode is about love as a teacher—love in friendship, love in art, love in healing, and love as a spiritual force that guides us home to ourselves. This is a conversation for anyone navigating growth, grief, creativity, relationships, and the sacred work of becoming. To see Shain's work: www.spiritworks.ca and www.goldeneaglerising.org

    1h 13m

  6. 2025-11-26

    Rest, Repair & Nervous System Regulation with James of Soma Body Health Toronto

    In this powerful episode of The Trauma-Informed Lawyer Podcast, Myrna welcomes James, the somatic practitioner behind Soma Reset Toronto and the viral TikTok account Nervous System Care Toronto, where he has become a trusted voice on trauma, embodiment, and nervous system regulation. James has a unique ability to translate complex somatic principles into simple, humane, tangible practices. His work resonates because it is grounded in the body, not theory — and because he speaks from a place of humility, lived experience, and deep compassion for the human condition. Together, Myrna and James explore what it means to reconnect with the body after trauma and stress, why healing requires slowness, and how nervous system care is actually a path toward personal liberation. In This Episode, We Explore: ✨ What a dysregulated nervous system looks and feels like James breaks down the signs we often overlook — the ways our bodies communicate distress long before our minds catch up. ✨ Why regulation is relational We heal through connection, attunement, and being witnessed. James explains how co-regulation shapes safety and eventually leads to self-regulation. ✨ Trauma as a bodily imprint, not a story They discuss why insight alone doesn’t shift survival responses, and how somatic practices create change that talking cannot reach. ✨ The importance of slowness in healing James shares why slow work is not “less work” — it’s nervous-system-friendly work. The body moves at the pace of safety, not urgency. ✨ How simple, consistent practices reshape the system James offers examples of easy, daily nervous system resets that help build resilience and reduce chronic activation. ✨ Why somatic work is exploding online From TikTok trends to collective burnout, they touch on why so many people are increasingly turning toward body-based healing. About James (Soma Reset Toronto) James is a somatic practitioner and educator based in Toronto. Through his practice, Soma Reset, and his fast-growing TikTok presence under Nervous System Care Toronto, he offers accessible teachings on nervous system regulation, trauma physiology, and embodied healing. His content has helped millions understand their patterns, reconnect with their bodies, and explore somatic work in a grounded, non-performative way. Key Takeaways Healing happens in the body first, story second. Regulation is built in connection, not isolation. The nervous system responds to consistency more than intensity. Slow is safe. Slow is sustainable. Slow is healing. Somatic work is not a trend — it is a remembering. Connect with James Soma Reset Toronto : https://somabody.com/pages/somareset TikTok: @nervoussystemcaretoronto Instagram: @somabody_

    47 min

  7. 2025-10-20

    Leveling Up: Moving Beyond Trauma-Informed Practice

    Season 4 of The Trauma-Informed Lawyer Podcast launches with an invitation — and a challenge — to everyone working in law and leadership. In this episode, Myrna shares insights from her talk to judges on how trauma, culture, and integrity intersect in the pursuit of justice. She reframes the trauma-informed movement as just the starting point. True transformation happens when we move beyond awareness to embodiment — when we center humanity, integrity, and relational accountability in every interaction and decision. Themes explored: Why trauma-informed practice is the bare minimum standard in today’s justice systems How cultural responsiveness deepens empathy and understanding in judicial decision-making What it means to embody integrity in leadership roles Practical strategies for judges and legal professionals to bring humanity into their work The importance of self-awareness and wellness as justice tools Mentioned in this episode: Myrna’s training and speaking work with the judiciary Trauma-informed principles in judicial reasoning The call for systems change rooted in relational accountability Connect with Myrna: website: www.myrnamccallum.co IG @thetraumainformedlawyer TT: traumainformedlawyer LI: thetraumainformedlawyer

    1 hr

  8. 2025-08-28

    Unbroken: Angela Sterritt on Survival, Storytelling, and Holding onto Hope

    Angela Sterritt is an award-winning Gitxsan woman and former journalist who has been  recognized for her groundbreaking reporting on Indigenous issues. Her memoir Unbroken has been hailed as both heartbreaking and inspiring, weaving her own story of survival with broader systemic patterns of violence against Indigenous women and girls. In this episode, Angela and Myrna talk about: The power of naming and telling our stories. What it means to carry responsibility as a storyteller. Finding strength in truth and justice. The responsibility settlers have to confront colonialism - and heal their traumas. Hope, healing and dreaming. Lessons from Unbroken.  You can buy Unbroken here: https://greystonebooks.com/products/unbroken?srsltid=AfmBOoqhuCNYtQusjdLaUrhMK40ubfBurFr4fRpCXe7mfEIpHuc6w42K and to learn more about Angela Sterritt, please visit her website at: https://angelasterritt.com/ To watch the panel with Angela from the 2025 Justice as Trauma Conference, please visit Myrna's video library: https://www.myrnamccallum.co/video-library To get pre-sale tickets to the next Justice as Trauma Conference in Vancouver from April 7-9 (where Angela will be speaking) please visit: https://www.myrnamccallum.co/jat2026

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This podcast was created for lawyers however anyone who works with people will benefit from this content. Through inspiring interviews, courageous conversations and thoughtful commentary, Myrna and her guests shine a light on a critical ethical competency lawyers missed in law school: trauma-informed lawyering. This is a do-no-further-harm, relational approach to the practice of law which benefits you, your clients, your colleagues and the legal profession generally. For lawyers and non-lawyers alike, this is your education in trauma, resilience, compassion, empathy, humility, boundaries, vicarious trauma and good professional relationship strategies you didn't know you needed. Artwork titled, "Myrna at Moonrise" by Métis artist Leah Marie Dorion.

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  • Creator
    Myrna McCallum
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2026
  • Episodes
    73
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Myrna McCallum
  • Show Website
    The Trauma-Informed Lawyer

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