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Episode 62: Seth Godin is a twenty-time best-selling author, entrepreneur, and most of all, a teacher. His writing has been read by millions across 37 languages and his teachings have transformed generations on business, creativity, and personal growth. 



A special thank you to Jim Ziolkowski for making this interview possible and an additional thank you to Shye Gilad for first introducing us to Seth Godin’s work. 



0:00 Intro

0:50 Ask the right questions

3:07 The end of the industrial age

4:56 A brand of substance

8:40 Seth Godin’s new promise

10:21 The Carbon Almanac

12:00 Tenets of great leadership

18:10 The importance of focus

19:27 The difference between a good decision and a good outcome

21:52 How to navigate self-doubt

24:11 What data should we listen to?

28:30 Informed optimism about the world

29:58 DP3

34:10 Ending



Seth Godin

Website: https://www.sethgodin.com/ 



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Depolarized 

Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/ 

Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to building a generational toolkit to heal a divided world. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.

Episode 61: Macken Murphy is a scientist, writer, and educator on human mating behavior. He has gained popularity for his snappy, research-based TikTok and his weekly podcast about animals, Species, recommended by both Apple and BBC’s Wildlife magazine. He is currently researching male beautification at the University of Melbourne and holds degrees from Kilachand Honors College and the University of Oxford.



0:00 Intro 

3:26 Male beautification 

4:11 Heritable cheating

7:20 Men vs women on cheating

11:32 Animal mating behavior

17:15 Relationship red flags

19:35 Mate value discrepancy 

22:19 Personal relationship with research 

25:04 Living a researched life

32:31 Memory elasticity 

36:18 Why humans are having less sex

41:32 The impact of red pill content

46:39 The rise of academic media 

52:21 Nuanced digital conversations

58:34 DP3

1:05:00 Ending



Macken Murphy

Website: https://www.mackenmurphy.org/ 

Podcast: https://pod.link/1334821500 



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Depolarized 

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Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/ 



Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.

Episode 60: Andy Jiang is the internet’s favorite storytelling detective. Through his short and long-form content, he has uncovered some of the world’s most incredible hidden stories. 



0:00 Intro

0:10 The greenscreen effect

1:18 Investing in production

3:26 A previous guest

4:32 Why hidden stories?

8:15 The right story to tell

11:36 Sourcing stories

14:20 Origin story

20:44 Handling negative criticism

23:36 Early support

28:12 Fear of failure

29:47 The impact of guaranteed success

34:21 Independent fact-checking

38:09 Burst your bubble

41:35 Slow media

42:45 A storytelling masterclass

49:27 Who should you create for?

51:30 The psychology of an audience

54:19 DP3

1:05:05 Ending



Andy Jiang

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-stories-with-andy-jiang/id1677888134 

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0ihA5e7o7VI9ZJ78jUo2TA?si=5d2eb254572d46c5 

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@andyyjiang

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@andyyjiang Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andyyjiang_/ 



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Depolarized 

Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/ 



Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.

Episode 59: Jim Ziolkowski is the founder, president, and CEO of buildOn, a non-profit organization that builds schools in developing countries and runs community-service programs for underserved high school students in America. 



0:00 Intro 

0:27 Creator Camp 

1:00 What is buildOn? 

2:33 Early childhood

4:19 A journey to service

10:58 Fear of the unknown   

13:43 Role models 

18:38 The role of scripture

23:18 Walking through the fire of adversity

30:35 Radical empathy and solidarity

33:39 Mother Teresa 

37:45 Navigating difference

40:14 How to build community 

48:26 Leading by example 

52:56 Work-service balance

1:02:14 What is giving you hope?

1:11:27 Ending



Jim Ziolkowski 

Donate: https://act.buildon.org/give/t496464/#!/donation/checkout 

Join Trek: https://www.buildon.org/get-involved/serve-globally#signup 

TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfagWlHOCxk

Website: https://www.buildon.org/ 

Twitter: https://twitter.com/JimZbuildOn 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimziolkowski/ 



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Depolarized 

Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/ 



Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.

Episode 58: Timm Chiusano is a Fortune 100 Creative Executive by day and a TikTok creator by night. He’s highly respected for his ability to blend the art and science of effective marketing in both his professional and personal life.



This episode features a special guest host: Max Reisinger. He is a creator and entrepreneur documenting what it means to grow up and find your place in this modern-day, fast-moving, and ever-changing world.



0:00 Intro

0:10 How we get to this recording

3:35 The power of content

6:20 An evolving relationship with the audience

8:09 To record or not to record

15:18 Amateur hour

20:52 Tactical tattoos

25:04 Humanizing Corporate America

31:32 Living what we preach

35:30 Life without financial titles

39:25 Returning to creative freedom

43:28 Community performance

53:14 Jish The Fish

55:20 Numbers don’t lie

56:46 Pig in Brooklyn

58:51 Advising each other

1:01:42 Gratitude

1:03:28 Ending



Timm Chiusano

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@timmchiusano

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/timmchiusano/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TimmChiusano77

Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/longwinded-by-nature/id1656131694

Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0LMagezEKvziQR1dnO96hL?si=494595e86c074838



Max Reisinger

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MaxReisinger

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maxbrsee/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxreisinger/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/Maxbrsee



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Depolarized

Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/



Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.

Episode 57: Annie Long is a 16-year-old student, content creator, and entrepreneur. Don’t let her young age fool you, though. Annie is a socially savvy, story-conscious leader on a mission to help Gen Z young women to leverage their youth through purpose-driven productivity to impact their communities. 



0:00 Intro 

0:21 LinkedIn DM

2:49 Why create? 

4:19 Why post online? 

8:44 50k followers at 12

11:25 Setting a creator-life boundary

14:12 Coping with criticism 

19:04 First impressions

24:31 Growing up too fast 

32:57 The two stories that impact our psychology 

38:23 The influence of faith 

54:35 The unforeseen benefits of a creator career

58:33 Internet friends 

1:05:09 Getting clear on mission 

1:11:07 Who are you outside of your titles? 

1:15:11 DP3

1:25:17 Ending 



Annie Long

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@AnnieLong

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/annielongyt/

TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@annielong 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annielongg/ 



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Depolarized 

Website: https://www.thisisdepolarized.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisisdepolarized/ 



Hosted by Asher Bykov and Joey Bykov, Depolarized is a show dedicated to bridging the gap between people and ideas by connecting with meaningful world builders. Previous guests include Gary Vaynerchuk, Nupol Kiazolu, Cal Newport, Nadya Okamoto, Max Reisinger, and Clover Hogan.