Death or Obedience Unknown

This podcast concludes my first judicial hearing.


Remember, I was expected to defend myself in front of a committee of 3 elders with no representation; it was me against them. The two witness called to testify against me were both elders, one of whom is my brother. Both of these witnesses used conversations I had had with them, trusting that they were going to help me. Instead, they convened a meeting of the elders, brought their testimonies together and formed a judicial committee. This was a breach of clergy privilege.*


Please pay careful attention to what can only be described as a personal bias on the part of one of the elders in the committee who was supposed to have been going on holiday with two of our friends.


Compare his questioning, coupled with the testimony of the two elders, with the statement made right at the end by the Chairman that the committee was not prejudiced or biased.


Remember, anyone who does not accept all of the Governing Body's interpretation of scripture is liable to face a committee such as I did.


Ask yourself whether the Watch Tower Society allows it's members to enjoy the same level of freedom of thought and religion as it itself expects to be afforded.


Is there any wonder why some view the Watch Tower Society as a dangerous cult?


*Jehovah's Witness elders consistently use the excuse of "clergy privilege" to avoid having to testify in court against suspected Jehovah's Witness pedophiles. Please check www.silentlambs.org for further information.

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In this edition of the podcast we start the first of my judicial hearings. This is part 1 of the first hearing.

I'll let the audio speak for itself, however, please notice who the two witnesses are and how apostasy is defined.


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This podcast was recorded on Christmas Day 2008.


After our last visit from two local elders my wife felt she could no longer be known as a Jehovah's Witness and had chosen to disassociate herself in November 2008.


We had been on a family holiday and had returned to find that one of the local elders who had visited us had warned off my mother-in-law from having anything to do with my wife - her daughter. He also made false statements about one of my children.


I decided to confront this elder at the Kingdom Hall. This podcast is the recording of our conversation.


Notice how he denies making such statements to my mother-in-law and falsely accuses me of teaching her beliefs contrary to Jehovah's Witnesses.


Notice too his view of choosing not to be a Jehovah's Witness is a sin or not. He also clearly states his position regarding the worship of Jesus.


I firmly believe that as a result a result of this conversation this elder initiated judicial proceedings against me the following month.


Podcasts from this judicial hearing will follow shortly.

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This is the final part of our second visit from two local elders.



In this podcast you'll notice the huge emphasis Jehovah's Witnesses put on their need to have an organisation to follow, an organisation that will place upon them an enforced unity of belief.



The elders stress their belief that only the 144,000 get the Holy Spirit and that they alone represent Jesus on earth today.



We come back to the issue of the United Nations. One of the elders had previously stated that the United Nations was "just the Beast". In this podcast you'll notice that he denies saying this.



I press one of the elders as to whether he would ever have any affiliation with the UN, notice how he responds.



The elders completely dismiss myself, my wife and my childrens' futures because we are no longer associated with the Watch Tower Society. We're also told that God is not with us, again because we don't believe the teachings of men in Brooklyn. Closeness to God is absolutely linked to the Watch Tower Society in the eyes of these elders, and sadly this is typical of most Jehovah's Witnesses.



The discussion turns from being about the teachings of the organisation to being about our personal character and the sort of people we are and will become. Interestingly, it's tacitly admitted that the lifestyle of the organisation can make you feel bad about yourself.

In this podcast we continue with our second visit from two of the local elders.


The discussion moves onto the Biblical definition of a false prophet. I also provide both elders with evidence relating to the Watch Tower Society's dishonesty regarding their links to Johannes Grieber. Please notice how swiftly this information is dismissed and attention is turned on my character instead.


Listen out for one of the elders saying that Jehovah would allow people to die within the Organisation due to their teachings.


Stunningly, this same elder says that anomalies in the Society's publication is the same as there being anomalies in the Bible. For some reason he also recommends that we read the "God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins . this elder says , "You'll find enough there to disturb you".


Also, the overt use of emotional blackmail may surprise you. Emotions become raw. Listen out for the moment when one of the elders agrees that we're being treated like we're dirt on the bottom of someone's shoe.

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Death or obedience podcast part 5




My wife and I had already had a visit from two elders, one of whom promised that he'd return.


True to his word, he returned bringing another local elder with him, who happens to be my brother. This podcast is the first of 3 parts of their visit.


We discuss some of Jehovah's Witnesses unique beliefs

Is 1914 found in scripture?


Do the presence of "ministerial servants" and "elders" mark one group as being true Christians over all others?


Have the Watch Tower Society added to the Gospel?


And is the Watch Tower Society's calculation of the Gentile Times an express Bible teaching?


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