Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

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Useful Idiots with Katie Halper and Aaron Maté

Useful Idiots is an informative and irreverent politics podcast with journalist Aaron Maté and podcaster/writer Katie Halper. Episodes feature analysis of the political news of the week and exclusive interviews, with humor, commentary and dissection of why both Republicans and Democrats suck. Join Aaron and Katie as they examine important stories that have slipped through the cracks and what the media got wrong – and laugh about whatever is left to laugh about.

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    Ukraine vs. Russia: Nuclear War, Frozen Conflict, or Peace? Debate w/ Simon Shuster

    Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Katie DEBATES Alan Dershowitz on Piers Morgan https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/katie-debates-alan-dershowitz-on?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! After President Biden gave Ukraine the go-ahead to use long-range US missiles in Russia, the Russians responded by shooting an intercontinental ballistic missile back into Ukraine. Now, as we wait for the next move that could ignite nuclear war, we’re talking to TIME correspondent Simon Shuster to analyze the conflict. At TIME, Shuster covers international affairs, with a focus on Russia and Ukraine. For his first book, The Showman, he reported inside the Ukrainian President’s compound in Kyiv as the Russian invasion unfolded. Our interview includes insights into President Zelensky’s inner circle, a fascinating story of the Ukrainian president during the early days of the war, and first-hand accounts of the back and forths of generals. Plus, Simon and Aaron have an extended debate over the cause of the conflict as well as the motives of Putin, Zelensky, and NATO.  And don’t miss this week’s Thursday Throwdown, where Katie breaks down her debate with Alan Dershowitz during her recent appearance of Piers Morgan. Thanks for supporting independent media. Enjoy this week’s full episode, unpaywalled, and have a happy Thanksgiving. Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a great deal: https://www.american-giant.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

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  2. 22 NOV

    Jeffrey Sachs Warns ‘We Are Close To Nuclear Armageddon’

    Click here for the full interview with Jeffrey Sachs: https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/jeffrey-sachs-warns-we-are-close?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: The Morning Joe-Hitler Pact https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/the-morning-joe-hitler-pact?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to http://roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! “I've just never seen anything like this.” Jeffrey Sachs, the renowned economist, University Professor and Director of the Center for Sustainable Development at Columbia University returns to Useful Idiots at a time of global peril to warn that we are close to World War Three. “The president himself,” Sachs says, “and his extraordinarily weak team understand nothing about diplomacy. They have gotten us closer and closer to complete global disaster, World War III, nuclear Armageddon, whatever you want to call it.” Just this week, the administration gave Ukraine the go-ahead to launch long-range missiles into Russia, which Russia responded to with an intercontinental ballistic missile strike into Ukraine, and the US for the fourth time, vetoed a UN ceasefire resolution. “Absolutely shocking, awful, and lawless,” Sachs says. Given that Biden himself seems utterly incapacitated, who is really running the military industrial complex? “I would say the deep state is true, which is that The U.S. has strategies that persist certainly between administrations, but really for decades. And I think that's essentially what we are witnessing right now. War has been the policy of the U.S. deep state or the permanent security state.” Jeffrey also explains how the New York Times has been the propaganda arm of the security state, analyzing two insane passages from the paper: And no, we didn’t make that up and put it in NYT font. Subscribe to watch the full interview with Jeffrey Sachs on what to expect economically from the incoming Trump administration, if BRICS has enough power to survive outside of the US dollar, and how Democrats should have responded to Trump’s ‘illegal aliens’ rhetoric. 00:00 Intro 00:47 Dems try to start WWIII 12:02 GOP suddenly hates the ICC 18:47 The bald-cap question 21:58 IDF gender reveal party 23:10 Jeffrey Sachs interview 23:55 ICC issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant 25:38 Record number of senators votes to block arms to Israel 27:35 Biden is the worst foreign policy president ever 32:07 The New York Times WANTS WAR 37:56 What motivates these people? 45:59 Will Trump be better? 48:42 Crazy NYT story 51:06 What to expect from Trump economically? Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a great deal: https://www.american-giant.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

    54 min
  3. 15 NOV

    Former Biden Officials: He ‘Doesn’t Think Palestinians Deserve Life’

    Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Trump’s New Cabinet Will Make Israel Great Again https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/trumps-new-cabinet-will-make-israel?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to http://roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! Follow and share Josh and Tariq's organization A New Policy Twitter: @anewpolicyorg Instagram: anewpolicy Threads: anewpolicy LinkedIn: A New Policy TikTok: anewpolicy In response to the Biden administration’s unfettered support of Israel’s genocide in Gaza, several US officials resigned from their posts in protest, refusing to take part in the mass slaughter of civilians. Josh Paul, a State Department official who worked on arms transfers, dropped Biden in October 2023, weeks after the assault on Gaza began, and Tariq Habash, a Palestinian-American appointed as a senior official at the Department of Education, left in January 2024. Now, in the wake of a disastrous election for the Biden-Harris administration, they’re joining the show to explain how the Democrats failed them, and what the party should have done differently to earn back their support. “Americans feel disconnected from their government,” Tariq said. “They don't feel represented. We've seen poll after poll after poll where Americans say: ‘We want a ceasefire. We want to stop sending weapons to kill children. We don't want to see dead kids and doctors and journalists on our social media every single morning when we wake up.’ “And you see elected officials repeatedly vote the opposite, continue to do the bidding of external interests instead of their own constituents' interests. It creates this disconnect in a way that is really, really damaging to American democracy.” He goes on, explaining how Biden himself is at the root of this divide. “Joe Biden has been willing to make exceptions for the destruction of Palestinian life in a way that we've never seen a United States president be willing to do. And I can't think of another way of rationalizing it other than you just don't believe that Palestinians deserve life. And that is, frankly, just rooted in hate.” But it isn’t just the Dems, they explain. In the interview we also go through Trump’s new cabinet picks, who, in line with mega-donor Miriam Adelson, are all deeply in the pocket of the Israel lobby. It’s like Biden promised in his 2020 campaign: “Nothing will fundamentally change.” 00:00 Intro 01:16 Blinken abandons 30-day ultimatum 14:39 Trump's pro-Israel cabinet 28:44 Biden wants to hit a reporter in the head 30:29 Elizabeth Warren calls Tulsi Gabbard a Russian agent 36:13 Josh Paul and Tariq Habash interview 37:20 Why did you resign? 41:26 A Palestinian-American working for Biden 43:16 Could Blinken be held liable? 46:29 What was the point of the fake ultimatum? 53:08 Biden vs Trump: What will be the difference? 59:02 Does the admin have any credibility? 1:04:14 A New Policy 1:07:40 What's happening in the state dept now? 1:10:30 Why back a losing policy? 1:16:21 Biden's true thoughts on Palestinians 1:21:00 The mass rape hoax 1:26:43 Tariq's family in Palestine 1:31:55 How to help Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a great deal: https://www.american-giant.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out:

    1h 36m
  4. 8 NOV

    A Palestinian Scholar Explains Why Kamala Harris Lost

    Click here for the full interview with Yousef Munayyer: https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/a-palestinian-scholar-explains-why?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Dems Shoot Themselves in the Face (with the help of Dick Cheney) https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/dems-shoot-themselves-in-the-face?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to http://roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! BET ON POLITICS! Check out MyBookie and use our code USEFUL for a great deal: http://www.mybookie.ag “Trump did not convince a lot of Biden voters to become Trump voters,” says Palestinian-American scholar Yousef Munayyer in his postmortem of the Democrats’ disastrous performance in the 2024 election. “Harris failed to convince Biden voters to become Harris voters. And that ended up deciding this election.” The Democrats, Munayyer explains, led four years of economic hardship for the working class and continued to double down on their support for a genocide in Gaza. “This was a change election. People wanted something different.” And when Democrats showed up with nothing, voters stayed home. “For some people,” he tells us, “it was just a moral question. There was just no way that they could cast their ballot for someone who could not say that what was happening [in Gaza] was wrong, let alone do something about it.” The Biden-Harris administration’s enabling of Israel’s genocide even disillusioned voters who don’t care about the Middle East. “And whether you care about Palestinians or don't care about Palestinians,” Munayyer explains, “the fact that your government seems to be more concerned with issues thousands of miles away than the issues that impact you at home reinforces the message that these people don't get me. They don't care about me.” So why, if it’s such a losing message, did Harris stick so tightly to her support for Israel? “The only sort of rational explanation for doing this is that parties don't just think about one election. They think about their ability to be competitive over many elections over time. And for that, money is more important than votes. If they were facing the choice between risking several hundred thousand votes in some of the key states or potentially losing major contributions from pro-Israel donors for the next generation, maybe they calculated that they'll take the loss here.” Subscribe for the full interview with Yousef Munayyer on how Democrats allowed Trump to claim the mantle of being the anti-war, working class champion, Israel’s recent confirmation of its plan for ethnic cleansing in Northern Gaza, and a terrible victory-lap video in which AIPAC brags about how much it influenced US elections. 00:00 Intro 00:59 Harris' FLAWLESS campaign 08:11 Trump's neocon state department 11:03 Bernie is way too late 14:04 Kamala's fake phone call 16:35 Yousef Munayyer interview 17:28 How did Trump win? 23:47 The Dems refused to change 29:13 Silent on Gaza 36:13 Liberals turn on minorities 37:46 Dems' gift to Trump 40:10 Would Harris have won if she changed her Gaza stance? Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a great deal: https://www.american-giant.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://r

    46 min
  5. 1 NOV

    Will Trump or Harris Be Worse? Two Palestinians Weigh In

    Filmmaker Lexi Alexander and political strategist Rania Batrice each take a side Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Victoria Nuland Preemptively Warns Putin Stole the Election https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/victoria-nuland-preemptively-warns?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to http://roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! BET ON THE ELECTION! Check out MyBookie and use our code USEFUL for a great deal: http://www.mybookie.ag “What is your overall view of 2024 and what should be done?” This is the question we asked two Palestinian-Americans: Lexi Alexander, a filmmaker, and Rania Batrice, a political strategist who served as deputy campaign manager for Bernie Sanders in 2016. Both guests took the question not to mean who will be better between Trump and Harris, but instead which evil will be worse. “Number one,” responded Lexi, “is that I don't think anybody in any situation ever should vote for genocide. Not just for Palestinians, but for themselves. And so I find myself constantly shocked to watch Americans eagerly vote for what I consider to be Adolf Hitler in 1942.” Voting for either candidate, she argues, is a vote for genocide. “If Trump will be worse, then we'll endure it together. And we'll fight that fucker too. But you still can't reward genocide.” Rania, on the other hand, warns of the dangers of a second Trump presidency. “I don't think we get to continue this fight and continue fighting for humanity, for Palestinian people, and many, many other communities under a Donald Trump presidency. But I do believe that with a President Kamala Harris, we have a fight to fight.” The two each give a long list of reasons why both candidates are terrible, but give different takes on whether a genocide could get worse, whether or not Jill Stein is a worthwhile candidate, and how the two candidates compare on domestic issues. Plus, Katie reveals who she’s voting for in 2024. 00:00 Intro 02:19 Bill Clinton vs Rudy Giuliani 28:10 Lexi Alexander interview 30:05 Voting for Adolf in 1942 33:49 Will Trump's genocide be worse? 37:55 Is punishing the Dems too dangerous? 46:44 Clinton's messianic argument 49:04 Does Netanyahu want Trump? 57:47 Working in film 1:00:48 HOW TO HELP 1:06:06 Who are you voting for? (Katie shares her vote too) 1:07:52 Rania Batrice interview 1:08:59 A different take on what should be done 1:13:45 There's a fight to be fought under Harris 1:15:09 What do you think of Jill Stein? 1:22:41 What's going to happen? Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a great deal: https://www.american-giant.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

    1h 52m
  6. 25 OCT

    “Israel Is NOT WINNING” - Military Analyst Elijah J. Magnier

    Click here for the full interview with Elijah J. Magnier: https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/israel-is-not-winning-military-analyst?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Marvel Announces Next Movie: Liz Cheney the Liberal Superhero https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/marvel-announces-next-movie-liz-cheney?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to http://roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! BET ON THE ELECTION! Check out MyBookie and use our code USEFUL for a great deal: http://www.mybookie.ag Over a year after the start of Israel’s mass-murder campaign in Gaza, what Netanyahu anticipated to be a swift destruction and short-order real estate sale has escalated into a regional war, slipping further out of his control with each attack. Elijah J. Magnier, a journalist who has covered the Middle East for over 35 years, specializing in politics, strategic and military planning, and terrorism and counter-terrorism, joins the show to give an update on Israel’s war on the Middle East. “We don't have a loser and a winner now,” he says. “They're both fighting, and certainly Israel is not winning.” So what is happening? After the IDF’s assassinations of Hezbollah leader Sayyed Nasrallah and Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, who each proposed multiple peace offers which were all refused by both Israel and the US, the chances of a ceasefire have plummeted, leaving only uncertainty for the region. Day after day, Magnier explains, Israel mounts attacks which aren’t the decisive and strategic successes they planned but instead amplifiers for the international coalition forming against them. “The mistake that Israel did,” he continues, “was bombing the south of Lebanon, forcing the inhabitants to be displaced. The entire society that Hezbollah is part of and the society that protects Hezbollah is already displaced. Therefore, Hezbollah doesn't have anything anymore to be afraid of. It gave more freedom for Hezbollah to attack the Israelis.” Subscribe for the full interview with Elijah J. Magnier for a full military analysis dissecting the next moves for each side and the one way to stop Israel. Plus, who does Elijah think would be worse for the region: Trump or Harris? 00:00 Intro 02:08 Harris and Trump LOVE genocide 23:41 Elijah J. Magnier interview 24:54 Israel vs Hezbollah update 28:07 Israel's 'civilian target' strategy 30:51 Why did Hezbollah get involved? 33:45 Did Hezbollah miscalculate? 36:08 Israel is crazier than they realized 41:02 What is Israel's goal? 44:13 The effect of assassinating leaders 51:12 How to stop Israel Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a great deal: https://www.american-giant.com Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy

    54 min
  7. 18 OCT

    We Are Headed for World War – Former IDF Soldier Haim Bresheeth-Zabner

    Click here for the full interview with Haim Bresheeth-Zabner: http://usefulidiotspodcast.com Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Bill Maher vs Chappell Roan https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/bill-maher-vs-chappell-roan?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at www.usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! BET ON THE ELECTION! Check out MyBookie and use our code USEFUL for a great deal: http://www.mybookie.ag “They want world war.” This is the conclusion, after fighting in the IDF, after watching Israeli aggression expand for decades, and after watching the occupation and destruction of Gaza, of Professor Haim Bresheeth-Zabner. Haim’s latest book, An Army Like No Other, shows how the state of Israel has been formed out of its wars. So after last week’s politically-focused interview with Norman Finkelstein, we’re now running a military analysis with our guest Haim, who fought for Israel in the 1967 War and has seen first-hand how the army is embedded in all aspects of Israeli daily life and identity. He begins with the notion that what is happening in Gaza could be called a war: “Israel is not fighting against any army at the moment,” he explains. “They're not able to train an army that can fight guerrillas.” And the reason why is a centuries old truth of war. “Those guerrillas in Gaza, in the West Bank, the people of Hezbollah, and other organizations are all fighting for their home. They are fighting to defend their right to live where they are. And they will fight over it until they're killed or they're winning.” The Israelis, on the other hand, “are fighting for real estate.” And the US, in it’s long-term plan to weaken Russia and China, is more than happy to have Israel play it’s local part in this. “It is the West,” says Haim, “that is doing this genocide, and Israel is the tool.” Haim goes on to explain a history of the conflict in the Middle East, how it has expanded, when it will reach the inevitable breaking point, and the only way Israel can be stopped. “I don't think that anyone can actually stand in the way of this unless BRIC came together and said, ‘We will destroy you if you start this war. You want a deterrent? This is the deterrent.’ Now, the Russians more or less said this. And if you follow the press, Biden thinks that they are bluffing. Well, that's not a joke.” Iran also gave a similar warning, he says. “What the Iranians have done is told Israel, ‘Please, please, please don't fight us. We don't want to fight you. We don't want to kill people in Israel. We can do that. Just give it up, stop the genocide, and we promise we won't touch you.’” But if those warnings continue to be ignored? Haim asks: “Who is going to stop it? I don’t know.” Subscribe for the full interview with Haim Bresheeth-Zabner on the Israeli occupation policy that is worse than the Nazis, an analysis of who in the West is really in charge, and a dark conclusion from this genocide: “Life is [now] impossible in Gaza.” 00:00 Intro 00:58 State Dept lets Israel burn patients alive 14:57 Professor Haim Bresheeth-Zabner interview 15:27 Fighting for the IDF 26:42 Will Israel succeed? 36:57 Can Hezbollah stop Israel? 52:11 What would World War look like? Our Sponsors: * Check out American Giant and use my code USEFUL for a grea

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  8. 11 OCT

    Norman Finkelstein on One Year of Genocide

    Click here for the full interview with Norman Finkelstein: https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/norman-finkelstein-isnt-giving-up-045?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web Watch this week's Thursday Throwdown: Kamala Harris reveals her main difference with Joe Biden https://www.usefulidiotspodcast.com/p/kamala-harris-reveals-her-main-difference?r=je5va&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web For $6 a month, become a Useful Idiot! Get extended interviews, Thursday Throwdowns, and bonus content at www.usefulidiotspodcast.com Join us LIVE on Youtube every Monday at 10am EST for Monday Mourning, where we watch the Sunday morning news shows so that you don't have to. If you want to experience smoother digestion, a boost of energy, and an overall healthier body go to roundhouseprovisions.com/USEFUL for up to 44% off your regular-priced order plus a 90-day, money-back guarantee! Support local jobs and get variety of high-quality clothing and activewear at https://www.american-giant.com and get 20% off your first order with promo code USEFUL. Thanks to American Giant for sponsoring the show! BET ON THE ELECTION! Check out MyBookie and use our code USEFUL for a great deal: http://www.mybookie.ag “I think the reasonable conclusion is that Gaza is no more. There's nothing left in Gaza.” Monday the 7th marked one full year of genocide in Gaza, the darkest era of a decades-long occupation by Israel, which has now begun to spread into the broader Middle East region. This week we’re joined by Gaza expert and Useful Idiots fan-favorite Norman Finkelstein to look back on this genocidal year. Norm points out that this is not, as Western and Israeli media claims, an “Israel-Hamas war.” This is not war. This is genocide. And Israel is not targeting Hamas; they are killing civilians, destroying civilian infrastructure, and picking off journalists, health workers, and children. “I read this letter,” he tells us, “from sixty-five physicians from around the world who gave testimony as to what they observed. And every one of the physicians testified that the children who were coming into the hospital had bullet wounds to the skull or to the chest. No shrapnel. It wasn't bombs and shrapnel. It was targeted bullet wounds to the skull and to the chest of children. What does that have to do with war?” “There were fifty-four disabled children who used the school in the convent complex. They fired two shells at it. What does that have to do with war?” Norman also recalls meeting Hezbollah members, and shares what he got wrong about the organization. “Israel, he says, “is willing to kill for material benefit, and Hezbollah and Hamas are willing to die for survival” He also recounts his time meeting Hamas leaders, and explains Israel’s unfair advantage: “Israel is the entrenched, concentrated manifestation of Western imperialism. It's got deep roots. It's got the whole Western system behind it, that Western system which won't let go. It will nuke China before it lets go of its global dominance. And in order to defeat it, it requires a very long-term struggle and intense calculation.” Subscribe for the full interview where Norman explains this despair, and the generational hopelessness which lacks historical precedent. “Our generation,” he laments, “has, for good reason, lost the belief, the conviction that we have the force of history behind us. That we have the force of justice behind us. Our generation believes there's a good chance we'll be defeated. There's a good chance we're not going to win.” But that doesn’t mean we should give up. “The only thing I can say as a conclusion is you never know. You can only know one thing for certain: If you do nothing, it can only get worse.” It’s that certainty that he says keeps him going. “If you resist, there are moments where it looks very grim. And then there's that folk song, it's always darkest before the dawn. It's this hope that keeps me carrying on. I

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Useful Idiots is an informative and irreverent politics podcast with journalist Aaron Maté and podcaster/writer Katie Halper. Episodes feature analysis of the political news of the week and exclusive interviews, with humor, commentary and dissection of why both Republicans and Democrats suck. Join Aaron and Katie as they examine important stories that have slipped through the cracks and what the media got wrong – and laugh about whatever is left to laugh about.

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