Beyond Prisons

Beyond Prisons
Beyond Prisons

Beyond Prisons is a podcast on justice, mass incarceration, and prison abolition. Hosted by @phillyprof03 & @bsonenstein

  1. 22 OCT

    Lessons from the Garden: Some Dad Shit feat. Dylan Rodriguez

    Dylan Rodriguez joins Kim for a conversation about respecting his children’s autonomous voice, why he named his Fantasy Football team “Uncle Dylan Never Lies,” and what that has to do with abolitionist parenting. Dylan shares why he believes that caregivers and parents must take children's questions of ‘why?’ seriously, and how it is possible to treat why as a radical question that is fundamental to any aspirational abolitionist parenting praxis. They close by talking about the ways that the state deploys technologies of warfare against incarcerated people and their families, and the heightened state of emergency that people in prison experience and how this gets translated into the ways that we engage with and are in relationship with incarcerated people. This is the third installment of our new series, Lessons From The Garden, where Kim will be interviewing contributors to the forthcoming anthology that she co-edited with Maya Schenwar titled We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition. You can pre-order this volume now from Haymarket or wherever you buy books.  The name of the series, Lessons From The Garden, is an apt phrase that reflects the metaphor in the book’s title, and allows us to consider many issues related to caregiving, parenting, and abolition. As Lydia Pelot-Hobbs once said “our citation politics matter,” and in that spirit we want to credit Susie Parras for the series title. Lessons From The Garden is an opportunity to engage in further conversation with the many brilliant organizers, writers, and thinkers about their work, and how they practice abolitionist parenting and caregiving in their daily lives. Additionally, we will draw on some of the themes that they wrote about in the book in order to help us deepen our understanding of caregiving - broadly configured - and what it means to live collectively in a world that is designed to keep us isolated from each other.  Dylan Rodríguez is a parent, teacher, scholar, organizer and collaborator who holds a job as a Distinguished Professor at the University of California-Riverside, where he has worked since 2001. He is a faculty member in the recently created Department of Black Study as well as the Department of Media and Cultural Studies. Since the late-1990s, Dylan has participated as a founding member of organizations like Critical Resistance, Abolition Collective, Critical Ethnic Studies Association, Cops Off Campus, Scholars for Social Justice, and the UCR Department of Black Study, among others. He is the author of three books, most recently White Reconstruction: Domestic Warfare and the Logic of Racial Genocide (Fordham University Press, 2021), which won the 2022 Frantz Fanon Book Award from the Caribbean Philosophical Association. Dylan believes in the right—in fact, the obligation—of occupied, colonized, and incarcerated peoples to fight for their liberation against external oppressors as well as internal reactionaries, and the parallel responsibility of those who profess solidarity to take all necessary measures to protect, defend, and advance liberation struggle.  Episode Resources & Notes Pre-order We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition, Edited by Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson IN STORES NOV. 19, 2024! Abolition has never been a proposal to simply tear things down. As Alexis Pauline Gumbs asks, “What if abolition is something that grows?” As we struggle to build a liberatory, caring, loving, abundant future, we have much to learn from the work of birthing, raising, caring for, and loving future generations. In We Grow the World Together, abolitionists and organizers Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson bring together a remarkable collection of voices revealing the complex tapestry of ways people are living abolition in their daily lives through parenting and caregiving. Ranging from personal narratives to policy-focused analysis to activist chronicles, these writers highlight how abolition i

    1h 22m
  2. 14 OCT

    Free the Mississippi Five feat. Garrett Felber

    Garrett Felber joins Kim for a conversation about the campaign to Free the Mississippi Five. The #MS5 are five women in Mississippi sentenced to life with the possibility of parole in the 1980s and 1990s. They have been incarcerated over 175 years and denied parole 47 times. Lisa Crevitt, Anita Krecic, Loretta Pierre, Linda Ross, and Evelyn Smith, collectively known as the Mississippi Five, are now between 59 and 82 years old. Despite their achievements, personal growth, the loss of loved ones outside, and even recantations of key witnesses, they continue to be denied parole irrespective of their actions. It is time to #FreetheFive! Garrett Felber (he/they) is an educator, organizer, and writer. They organize with Study and Struggle and the committee to Free the Mississippi Five, are the author of the forthcoming biography, A Continuous Struggle: The Revolutionary Life of Martin Sostre (AK Press, 2025), and recently founded the Free Society People's Library, a radical mobile library in Portland, Oregon.    Episode Resources & Notes Study and Struggle MS5 Why the “Mississippi Five” Deserve Parole After 40 Years in Prison Prisons Grow in Mississippi as State Officials Cut Parole   Resources for Criminalized Survivors Survived and Punished Love and Protect Relevant Episodes Taylar Nuevelle on Knitting in Prison Pen Pals Mothering Under Surveillance feat. Maya Schenwar   You can learn more about Lisa, Anita, Loretta, Linda, and Evelyn on the Study and Struggle website: https://www.studyandstruggle.com/ms5  There are easy ways to support the Mississippi Five! 1) Sign the petition. Add your name to the call to demand the immediate release of the Mississippi Five through clemency. The Committee to Free the Mississippi Five is pursuing all avenues to bring them home, including gubernatorial clemency. Your signature can bring them one step closer to home. 2) Contribute to the solidarity fund to help fight for the Mississippi Five's release and support broader efforts to build grassroots power in Mississippi. The Committee is raising funds to cover commissary, potential legal fees, and transition support when the Five come home. Your donation makes their work possible. 3) Writing letters to incarcerated people is one of the best ways to let them know you care. Write the Five using the addresses linked to in the show notes. 4) Spread the word: Share their story and this toolkit on social media. The more people know, the stronger the movement to free them becomes.   Credits Hosted by Kim Wilson  Edited by Brian Nam-Sonenstein Website & volunteers managed by Victoria Nam-Sonenstein   Support Beyond Prisons Visit our website at beyond-prisons.com Support our show and join us on Patreon. Check out our other donation options as well. Please listen, subscribe, and rate/review our podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, and Google Play Join our mailing list for updates on new episodes, events, and more Send tips, comments, and questions to beyondprisonspodcast@gmail.com Kim Wilson is available for speaking engagements and to facilitate workshops. Please contact beyondprisonspodcast@gmail.com for more information Twitter: @Beyond_Prison Facebook:@beyondprisonspodcast Instagram:@beyondprisons

    33 min
  3. 3 OCT

    Lessons From The Garden: Happiness Is Not A Good Goal feat. Sarah Tyson

    Sarah Tyson joins Kim for a spirited conversation about her suspicions about happiness and the intellectual underpinnings that inform why happiness is not a worthy goal in general, but specifically for her children. Sarah and Kim talk about how the work of Sarah Ahmed helps us to understand why the archetype of the killjoy is an important abolitionist parenting framework, and why we can’t separate the material conditions under which we are forced to exist from our parenting practice.  This is the second installment of our new series, Lessons From The Garden, where Kim will be interviewing contributors to the forthcoming anthology that she co-edited with Maya Schenwar titled We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition. You can pre-order this volume now from Haymarket or wherever you buy books.  The name of the series, Lessons From The Garden, is an apt phrase that reflects the metaphor in the book’s title, and allows us to consider many issues related to caregiving, parenting, and abolition. As Lydia Pelot-Hobbs once said “our citation politics matter,” and in that spirit we want to credit Susie Parras for the series title. Lessons From The Garden is an opportunity to engage in further conversation with the many brilliant organizers, writers, and thinkers about their work, and how they practice abolitionist parenting and caregiving in their daily lives. Additionally, we will draw on some of the themes that they wrote about in the book in order to help us deepen our understanding of caregiving - broadly configured - and what it means to live collectively in a world that is designed to keep us isolated from each other.  Sarah Tyson is Associate Professor of Philosophy, Affiliated Faculty in Ethnic Studies, Associated Faculty of Women and Gender Studies, and chair of the Philosophy Department at the University of Colorado Denver, which is on Ute, Arapaho, and Cheyenne land. Her research focuses on questions of authority, history, and exclusion, with a particular interest in voices that have been marginalized in the history of thinking. She edited with Joshua Hall Philosophy Imprisoned: The Love of Wisdom in the Age of Mass Incarceration (Lexington, 2014) and wrote Where Are the Women? Why Expanding the Archive Makes Philosophy Better (Columbia University Press, 2018). She is cohost (with Robert Talisse, Carrie Figdor, and Malcolm Keating) of New Books in Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. She has organized against human caging in Denver and Nashville, including as a member of the REACH Coalition.   Episode Resources & Notes Pre-order We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition, Edited by Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson IN STORES NOV. 19, 2024! Abolition has never been a proposal to simply tear things down. As Alexis Pauline Gumbs asks, “What if abolition is something that grows?” As we struggle to build a liberatory, caring, loving, abundant future, we have much to learn from the work of birthing, raising, caring for, and loving future generations. In We Grow the World Together, abolitionists and organizers Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson bring together a remarkable collection of voices revealing the complex tapestry of ways people are living abolition in their daily lives through parenting and caregiving. Ranging from personal narratives to policy-focused analysis to activist chronicles, these writers highlight how abolition is essential to any kind of parenting justice. HELP SEND THIS BOOK INSIDE: Contribute toward sending copies of We Grow the World Together to folks in prisons and jails by donating at https://haymarketbooks.app.neoncrm.com/forms/we-grow-the-world-together   Recommended reading Feminist Killjoy by Sarah Ahmed Happy Objects by Sarah Amed  The Uses of Anger: Women Responding to Racism in Sister Outsider by Audre Lorde Teaching to Transgress: Teaching as a Practice of Freedom by bell hooks The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir

    1h 10m
  4. 24 SEPT

    Lessons From The Garden: Practicing Vulnerability feat. Susana Victoria Parras & Alejandro Villalpando

    Susana Victoria Parras & Alejandro Villalpando join Kim to discuss how, through a continued practice of communal study, they are able to renew their commitment to each other, their child, and to their community in ways that are generative and don’t engage in disposability politics or pathologizing their elders and ancestors. This wonderful episode is the first installment of our new series, Lessons From The Garden, where Kim will be interviewing contributors to the forthcoming anthology that she co-edited with Maya Schenwar titled We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition. You can pre-order this volume now from Haymarket or wherever you buy books.  Susie and Alex share how their parents’ forced displacement due to political and social unrest provides the context for understanding the legacy of inherited trauma. They discuss grief, loss, accountability, and care. Susie shares an intimate view into the love ethic that she and Alex share, and Alex reminds us that this shit is hard, and that in spite of that, we have to keep trying.  We’ve had the opportunity to talk with so many incredible people over the years on Beyond Prisons, and we continue to be awed and unsettled. Alex often says that he is not interested in inspiring folx, but wants them to feel unsettled. We wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment because inspiration is fleeting, and requires no change in thought or behavior, but when people feel unsettled they are more likely to examine why they are, and to engage in activity to address the issue/issues that have unsettled them.  The name of the series, Lessons From The Garden, is an apt phrase that reflects the metaphor in the book’s title, and allows us to consider many issues related to caregiving, parenting, and abolition. As Lydia Pelot-Hobbs once said “our citation politics matter,” and in that spirit we want to credit Susie Parras for the series title. Lessons From The Garden is an opportunity to engage in further conversation with the many brilliant organizers, writers, and thinkers about their work, and how they practice abolitionist parenting and caregiving in their daily lives. Additionally, we will draw on some of the themes that they wrote about in the book in order to help us deepen our understanding of caregiving - broadly configured - and what it means to live collectively in a world that is designed to keep us isolated from each other.  Susana Victoria Parras is the daughter of Guatemalan immigrants, mother, friend, partner, and a mental health therapist of color committed to generating healing, justice, and care through noncarceral practices. Before she found ethnic studies, social justice, abolition, and transformative justice, she found safety and hope in places and relationships that were imperfect, spacious, loving, and curious. Her political homes include family of origin, friends, books, and her imagination. She is accountable to ancestors, herself, her Baby Sol, her partner, teachers, and all those who cultivate her process of accountable care and growth. Susana specializes in the intersectional integration of critical race and somatic practices within community and clinical settings. She is the founder of Heal Together and cocreator of Heal Together’s Anti Carceral Care Collective and currently organizes with CAT 911 (Community Alternatives To/Community Action Teams 911) in South Central, Los Angeles, where she also lives, loves, and works. Susana dedicates her life to healing as a central component for justice, resistance, and activism. Alejandro Villalpando is an Assistant Professor in the Department of Pan-African Studies and the Latin American Studies Program at Cal State LA. He earned his PhD in Critical Ethnic Studies from UC Riverside and an MA from Latin American Studies at Cal State LA. His work lies at the intersection of Black, Central American, and Critical Ethnic Studies. His coauthored chapter titled “The Racialization of Central America

    1h 17m
  5. 23 SEPT

    Introducing: Lessons From The Garden

    Beyond Prisons is excited to announce the launch of a special new series titled ‘Lessons from the Garden,’ where Kim Wilson will be interviewing contributors to the forthcoming anthology that she co-edited with Maya Schenwar, We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition.  We Grow The World Together will be out on November 19, 2024 from Haymarket Books, and is now available for pre-order wherever you buy books.  The series is an opportunity to engage in further conversation with brilliant organizers, writers, and thinkers about their work, and how they practice abolitionist parenting and caregiving in their daily lives. Additionally, we will draw on some of the themes that they wrote about in the book to help us deepen our understanding of caregiving - broadly configured - and what it means to live collectively in a world that is designed to keep us isolated from each other.  In the first episode, Kim talks with Susana Victoria Parras and Alejandro Villalpando — two of the most generous, kind, and smartest people that she’s had the honor of being in community with — about how their parents’ forced displacement due to political and social unrest provides the context for understanding the legacy of inherited trauma. Susie and Alex also share how through a continued practice of communal study they are able to renew their commitment to each other, their child, and to their community in ways that are generative and don’t engage in disposability politics or pathologizing their elders and ancestors. As part of their conversation, they talked about grief, loss, accountability, and care. Susie shares an intimate view into the love ethic that she and Alex share, and Alex reminds us that this shit is hard, and that in spite of that, we have to keep trying.  At Beyond Prisons, we’ve had the opportunity to talk with so many incredible people over the years, and we continue to be awed and unsettled. Alex often says that he is not interested in inspiring folx, but wants them to feel unsettled. We wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment because inspiration is fleeting, and requires no change in thought or behavior, but when people feel unsettled they are more likely to examine why they are, and to engage in activity to address the issue/issues that have unsettled them.  We hope that this series, and the book, leave people unsettled in the best way possible. As you will learn throughout this series, the contributors offer us glimpses into how they engage with the people in their lives and in their communities to organize against injustices, genocide, prisons, isolation, death, and more. At the core of these offerings is a deep love for humanity, which as adrienne maree brown says “love is what makes surviving worth it.”  The name of the series ‘Lessons from the Garden’ is an apt phrase that reflects the metaphor in the book’s title, and allows us to consider many issues related to caregiving, parenting, and abolition. As Lydia Pelot-Hobbs once said “our citation politics matter,” and in that spirit we want to credit Susie Parras for the series title.  What listeners can expect in the coming months, is a resource library that will include as many contributors to ‘We Grow the World Together’ as we can schedule. In thinking about what we wanted to do with this series, we decided that we want it to function as a political education tool and supplement to the book. With so many incredible contributors to this anthology, we imagine that our conversations will be insightful, lively, and full of wisdom and love. We are looking forward to seeing what unfolds.  Episode Resources & Notes COMING NOV. 19, 2024! Pre-order We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition, Edited by Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson Abolition has never been a proposal to simply tear things down. As Alexis Pauline Gumbs asks, “What if abolition is something that grows?” As we struggle to build a liberatory

    6 min
  6. 21 SEPT

    Making Movement Media feat. Chuck Modiano

    Kim is joined by long-time independent journalist Chuck Modiano for a conversation about movement media making, the importance of media literacy, and the intersection of sports and politics.  Kim and Chuck begin by talking about what motivated him to start covering protests. He opens up about how he was impacted by the killing of Trayvon Martin, and how that tragedy reignited athlete activism in the United States.  Chuck also offers us a historical perspective on the significance of sports activism dating back to the 1920s and through to today. They discuss how corporate media protects privilege, power, and profits before diving into a discussion on media literacy. The conversation wraps with a discussion on the myth of objectivity in the media, and why the work that we do as movement media makers rejects the tendency to give credence to both-sidesism.  Chuck shares how the work of Ida B. Wells has shaped and informed his approach to making media, and the two touch on how liberatory and emancipatory journalism is rooted in people power. Episode Resources & Notes COMING NOV. 19, 2024! Pre-order We Grow the World Together: Parenting Toward Abolition, Edited by Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson Abolition has never been a proposal to simply tear things down. As Alexis Pauline Gumbs asks, “What if abolition is something that grows?” As we struggle to build a liberatory, caring, loving, abundant future, we have much to learn from the work of birthing, raising, caring for, and loving future generations. In We Grow the World Together, abolitionists and organizers Maya Schenwar and Kim Wilson bring together a remarkable collection of voices revealing the complex tapestry of ways people are living abolition in their daily lives through parenting and caregiving. Ranging from personal narratives to policy-focused analysis to activist chronicles, these writers highlight how abolition is essential to any kind of parenting justice.  HELP SEND THIS BOOK INSIDE: Contribute toward sending copies of We Grow the World Together to folks in prisons and jails by donating at https://haymarketbooks.app.neoncrm.com/forms/we-grow-the-world-together Credits Created and hosted by Kim Wilson and Brian Nam-Sonenstein Website & volunteers managed by Victoria Nam Support Beyond Prisons Visit our website at beyond-prisons.com Support our show and join us on Patreon. Check out our other donation options as well. Please listen, subscribe, and rate/review our podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, and Google Play Join our mailing list for updates on new episodes, events, and more Send tips, comments, and questions to beyondprisonspodcast@gmail.com Kim Wilson is available for speaking engagements and to facilitate workshops. Please contact beyondprisonspodcast@gmail.com for more information Twitter: @Beyond_Prison Facebook:@beyondprisonspodcast Instagram:@beyondprisons

    1h 3m
  7. 9 APR

    Snuffing Out Revolution: Control Units & Resistance

    Welcome to episode two of  “Over the Wall: The Abolitionist Hour with Critical Resistance.” For listeners new to Beyond Prisons or our collaboration with Critical Resistance, this is a new, regular series that premiered in September of 2023. Hosted by members of Critical Resistance’s The Abolitionist Editorial Collective, “Over the Wall” discusses articles and key interventions made by Critical Resistance’s cross-wall, bilingual newspaper, The Abolitionist.  This episode—dedicated to Critical Resistance co-founder and long-standing member Masai Ehehosi—focuses on Issue 40 of The Abolitionist and is titled, "Snuffing Out Revolution: Control Units & Resistance." Dylan and Molly are back, and analyze the history, purpose, and proliferation of control units throughout the US and beyond. Together, they discuss key articles within the issue, which foreground organized resistance to control units while emphasizing the importance of rejecting cheap liberal reforms that dilute the long-standing abolitionist demand to abolish control units. This episode includes special guest Sahar Francis of Addameer, along with Issue 40 contributing authors Masai Ehehosi, Kenjuan Congo, and Stevie Wilson.  On April 1 2024, as we were circulating this issue online, we received heartbreaking news that Masai suddenly passed away. With over 50 years of working for Black liberation, including decades of resisting control units and torture of imprisoned people, Masai was a pillar of Critical Resistance (CR) and had a profound presence in each of the organizations he was a part of. CR is releasing a tribute statement for Masai on April 8, and will continue to uplift his legacy for weeks, months, and years to come. Check for the post at: criticalresistance.org/updates/ to learn more about Masai’s movement contributions.   Support Elder Sitawa Jamaa! As mentioned in the episode, please give what you can to support movement elder Sitawa Jamaa! Sitawa spent over 40 years in prison, and due to severe strokes while imprisoned, he requires 24/7 nursing care to survive. Please go to bit.ly/sitawa-jamaa to donate today. Resource—Surviving Solitary  CR’s newest resource called “Surviving Solitary,” which includes  a series of interviews with solitary survivors, can be requested by prisoners by writing to our national office at: Critical Resistance, PO Box 22780, Oakland CA 94609. If you’re outside of a cage and would like to check it out for your work supporting imprisoned people, or share with your loved ones who are locked up, you will be able to download the resource for free from our website next month (in April) at criticalresistance.org/resources.  Check out Issue 40 and Subscribe to The Abolitionist Newspaper!  The time is always right to support radical political education! You can read two early-release articles from Issue 40 on CR’s website: an interview with Susan Rosenberg the fight to close a control unit for radical women, Lexington High Security Unit, and an article on the historic prisoner-led hunger strikes against solitary confinement in California in 2011 and 2013.  Every single paid subscription on the outside allows CR to send the paper to thousands of people locked up inside prisons, jails, and detention centers to receive this valuable political education resource FOR FREE! Go to: criticalresistance.org/subscribe-to-the-abolitionist-newspaper/  to sign up for a sliding scale subscription to the paper, or to sign up an imprisoned loved one to receive a copy of our next issue.  Host Bios:  Dylan Brown is a 24 year old Black organizer and educator based in New York City, and has been a member of Critical Resistance since 2020. As a member of the New York City chapter of Critical Resistance, Dylan is organizing within the Abolish ICE New York/New Jersey Coalition on their current NY Dignity Not Detention campaign, which seeks to  build power to end immigrant detention throughout NY State. Fo

    1h 20m
  8. 28/11/2023

    Certain Days

    Josh Davidson and Leslie James Pickering from the Certain Days collective join the show to talk about 2024’s Certain Days: Freedom for Political Prisoners calendar and the work of their collective. We previously spoke with Josh and other folks from the collective back in 2020 and we encourage you to go listen to that episode if you haven’t heard it yet.  Josh and Leslie spoke to us about the works included in the 2024 calendar, how they’ve navigated increasingly oppressive mail policies to distribute it, Josh’s upcoming book with political prisoner Eric King, the impact that focusing their work around solidarity with political prisoners has had on their political analysis and organizing, and a lot more.  The Certain Days Calendar is a joint fundraising and educational project between outside organizers in Montreal, New York, and Baltimore, and current and former political prisoners, including currently imprisoned Xinachtli (s/n Alvaro Luna Hernandez) in Texas. They welcomed founding members Herman Bell and Robert Seth Hayes (Rest in Power) home from prison in 2018, and David Gilbert in 2021, each of whom spent over forty years behind bars. All of the current members of the outside collective are grounded in day-to-day organizing work other than the calendar, on issues ranging from legal aid to community media, radical education to prisoner solidarity. And they work from an anti-imperialist, anti-racist, anti-capitalist, feminist, queer- and trans-liberationist position. All proceeds from the calendar go to abolitionist organizations working for a better world. We highly encourage you to pick up a few copies of the calendar if you haven’t already.  Josh Davidson is an abolitionist who is involved in numerous projects, including the Certain Days: Freedom for Political Prisoners calendar collective and the Children’s Art Project with political prisoner Oso Blanco. Josh also works in communications with the Zinn Education Project, which promotes the teaching of radical people’s history in classrooms and provides free lessons and resources for educators. Along with political prisoner Eric King, Josh co-edited the anthology Rattling the Cages: Oral Histories of North American Political Prisoners (AK Press, 2023). He lives in Eugene, Oregon.  Leslie James Pickering is a member of the Certain Days collective. He is a co-owner of Burning Books and was spokesperson for the Earth Liberation Front Press Office Episode Resources & Notes Buy the Certain Days calendar: CertainDays.org (US) Burning Books (US) Left Wing Books (Canada) Credits Created and hosted by Kim Wilson and Brian Sonenstein Website & volunteers managed by Victoria Nam Support Beyond Prisons Visit our website at beyond-prisons.com Support our show and join us on Patreon. Check out our other donation options as well. Please listen, subscribe, and rate/review our podcast on Apple Podcast, Spotify, and Google Play Join our mailing list for updates on new episodes, events, and more Send tips, comments, and questions to beyondprisonspodcast@gmail.com Kim Wilson is available for speaking engagements and to facilitate workshops. Please contact beyondprisonspodcast@gmail.com for more information Twitter: @Beyond_Prison Facebook:@beyondprisonspodcast Instagram:@beyondprisons

    53 min

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