Sounds of SAND

Science and Nonduality
Sounds of SAND

Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being

  1. #121 From Science to Spirit: Elisabet Sahtouris

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    #121 From Science to Spirit: Elisabet Sahtouris

    Today we present an anthology episode with SAND speaker, Dr. Elisabet Sahtouris (1936-2024) who passed in December 2024. Internationally known as a dynamic speaker, Dr. Sahtouris was an evolution biologist, futurist, professor, author and consultant on Living Systems Design. She taught the relevance of biological systems to organisational design in business, government and society. She was a Fellow of the World Business Academy, an advisor to EthicalMarkets.com and the Masters in Business program at Schumacher College, also affiliated with the Bainbridge Graduate Institute's MBA program for sustainable business. Dr. Sahtouris convened two International Symposia on the Foundations of Science and written about integral cosmologies. Her books include A Walk Through TIme: from Stardust to Us, Biology Revisioned, co-authored with Willis Harman, and EarthDance: Living Systems in Evolution. sahtouris.com Topics 00:00 Introduction to Elisabet Sahtouris 01:11 Indigenous Science and Wisdom 04:02 The Living Universe Concept 07:04 Western vs. Vedic Science 09:16 The Evolution of Scientific Assumptions 11:47 Mechanism vs. Organism in Biology 12:45 Genetic Engineering and Its Pitfalls 15:56 The Role of Consciousness in Evolution 17:33 Dying to Live: Evolution through Recycling 28:22 The Metaphor of the Butterfly 33:58 Advice for Future Generations 39:29 Closing Thoughts and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    44 min
  2. #21 A Hunger for Wholeness: Iya Affo (Encore)

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    #21 A Hunger for Wholeness: Iya Affo (Encore)

    This is a recording from the 2022 Community Conversation between with guest Iya Affo and SAND co-founders Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. Very few people are aware of the impact of historical trauma. Historical trauma is trauma so deeply rooted in the subconscious we may not even know it is there. It can leave us feeling anxious, irritable, sad, and hopeless… and we have no idea why. But once we begin to see the larger context of our trauma, then a more holistic healing can begin. Iya Affo is a Culturalist and Historical Trauma consultant. She earned Western certification as a Trauma Specialist and is a descendant of a long line of traditional healers from Bénin, West Africa. Iya serves as an Executive Board Member for the Arizona ACEs Consortium, is an Adjunct Faculty member at the Arizona Trauma Institute, and is the founder of Heal Historical Trauma Culture & Indigenous Wellness Academy. She has visited more than 30 countries; living in Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Taoist, Native American, and Yoruba communities, embracing aspects from each culture for personal evolution. She strives to transcend tolerance through cultivating love and respect in hopes of facilitating the decolonization and subsequent healing of indigenous people from all over the world. Iya advocates for the harmonization of Traditional Medicine and Western Medicine for true holistic healing. Iya's passion is to cultivate intergenerational healing by connecting intuitive ancestral practices with modern neurobiology. As we delve into leveraging our neurobiology to facilitate the healing process, we will also explore re-culturing and the creation of self-harmonizing communities. Iya Affo’s Website Topics   00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:51 Introducing Iya Affo 02:31 Iya's Personal Journey 05:57 Understanding Historical Trauma 10:14 Resilience and Cultural Connections 11:57 The Role of Names and Identity 16:25 Tools for Healing and Resilience 19:12 The Importance of Cultural Practices 24:35 Epigenetics and Generational Trauma 26:34 Storytelling and Historical Context 26:54 Ancestral Vigilance and Survival Instincts 29:05 Epigenetics and Generational Trauma 30:50 Impact of Historical Trauma on Modern Behavior 34:52 Challenges of Western Medicine in Indigenous Communities 43:51 Traditional Healing Practices and Neurological Regulation Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    54 min
  3. #119 Fractal Flourishing: Jeremy Lent

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    #119 Fractal Flourishing: Jeremy Lent

    In this episode, our guest, Jeremy Lent, discusses the profound global upheaval in early 2025. We explore themes of hope and grief amid political, cultural, and environmental crises. Lent provides deep insights into systems thinking, emphasizing the importance of interconnectedness and unpredictability in complex systems. The conversation also holds space for the impact of reductionist thinking, the power of technology, and the potential for societal transformation through integrated intelligence. The episode concludes with discussions on individual and systemic change, indigenous wisdom, and the need for a life-affirming future. Jeremy Lent is an author and speaker exploring the root causes of civilization’s crises and pathways to a sustainable future. Described by The Guardian’s George Monbiot as “one of the greatest thinkers of our age,” he is the author of The Patterning Instinct and The Web of Meaning, which integrate science and traditional wisdom to reimagine our place in the universe. He founded the Deep Transformation Network and Liology Institute to foster an ecological civilization and writes on cultural and political patterns at Patterns of Meaning. Topics 00:00 Introduction 00:52 Introducing Jeremy Lent 01:50 Navigating Hope and Grief 03:18 Systems Thinking and Interconnectedness 10:08 Cultural Narratives and Political Polarization 17:37 Technology's Role in Connection 26:10 Blockchain and Decentralization 27:43 Integrative Intelligence and Human Flourishing 32:32 Indigenous Wisdom and Reciprocity 49:42 Conclusion and Future Engagements Resources Jeremy Lent’s Website Deep Transformation Network Patterns of Meaning Fluke: Chance, Chaos, and Why Everything We Do Matters by Brian Klaas Sounds of SAND #108 Thrutopian Dreams: Manda Scott Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    54 min
  4. #118 Mythic Dharma: John Tarrant

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    #118 Mythic Dharma: John Tarrant

    Today we explore the story of the Buddha’s awakening through a mythic lens with Buddhist writer and teacher, John Tarrant. We touch into topics like Zen koan, grief, death, art, and how this timeless parable of the Buddh’s story still resonants for thousands of years. John Tarrant is a Zen teacher, writer, and poet who has studied koans for over forty years. He is director of the Pacific Zen Institute and teaches culture change in organizations. Tarrant holds degrees in human sciences and English literature and a PhD in psychology. For twenty years, he was a Jungian psychotherapist working on dream analysis. He is the author of several books, including The Light Inside the Dark: Zen, Soul, and the Spiritual Life and Bring Me the Rhinoceros: And Other Zen Koans That Will Save Your Life and his most recent book The Story of the Buddha. He lives among the vineyards near Santa Rosa, California. Topics 00:00 Introduction 00:52 Introducing John Tarrant 02:07 Discussing 'The Story of the Buddha' 03:36 The Mythic Universe and Dreamlike Qualities 08:25 Illustrations and Artistic Choices 10:24 The Living Dharma and Personal Reflections 15:23 Modern Life and Spiritual Growth 18:26 Embracing Suffering and Death 22:19 Catholicism and Mysticism 27:57 The Light Inside the Dark 33:48 The Power of Noble Conversations 34:10 Craving and Contentment 34:44 Collective Grief and Environmental Collapse 36:05 The Enlightenment of a Samurai 38:07 The Buddha's Awakening and Interdependence 40:09 Dreams and Their Significance 42:59 Meditation and Connection with Animals 51:00 The Intimacy of Not Knowing 54:54 Returning to the Fire 56:13 Sharing the Dhamma Resources John Tarrant’s Website: Tarrant Works The Story of the Buddha by John Tarrant: Shambhala Publications Roberto Calasso: Explore Roberto Calasso’s Works Sounds of SAND #113 Ancient Rhythms Podcast: Pat McCabe & Francis Weller Sounds of SAND #98 Glissando of Consciousness: Andrew Holecek Bring Me the Rhinoceros: And Other Zen Koans That Will Save Your Life by John Tarrant The Light Inside the Dark: Zen, Soul, and the Spiritual Life by John Tarrant Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    59 min
  5. #117 Minds Under Siege: Gabor Maté, Naomi Klein & Cecilie Surasky

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    #117 Minds Under Siege: Gabor Maté, Naomi Klein & Cecilie Surasky

    In this SAND Community Gathering (January 2025), journalist Naomi Klein and trauma expert Dr. Gabor Maté explored the complex intersection of collective trauma, political power, and memory in a discussion moderated by Cecilie Surasky. Drawing from Naomi’s recent analysis of how trauma has been weaponized in current conflicts, and Gabor’s deep understanding of trauma’s psychological impacts, their conversation examined how media narratives and political rhetoric weaponize fear and trauma to gain public support for military and political crimes. The discussion addressed the troubling speed at which the Oct 7 Jewish trauma is now converted into a spectacle through virtual reality experiences, museum exhibitions, and immersive memorials, while questioning who gets to control these narratives and to what end. Together, they explored alternatives for remembering that might lead toward healing rather than perpetuating cycles of violence.   We hear from several Community Gathering audience members with their questions in the second half of the episode.   Gabor Maté, M.D. is a specialist on trauma, addiction, stress and childhood development. After 20 years of family practice and palliative care experience, Dr. Maté worked for over a decade in Vancouver’s Downtown East Side with patients challenged by drug addiction and mental illness. For his groundbreaking medical work and writing he has been awarded the Order of Canada, his country’s highest civilian distinction, and the Civic Merit Award from his hometown, Vancouver. Gabor is also the creator of a psychotherapeutic approach, Compassionate Inquiry, now studied by thousands of therapists, physicians, counselors, and others in over 80 countries. Naomi Klein is an award-winning journalist and New York Times bestselling author. She is a columnist with The Guardian. In 2018 she was named the inaugural Gloria Steinem Endowed Chair at Rutgers University and is now Honorary Professor of Media and Climate at Rutgers. In September 2021 she joined the University of British Columbia as UBC Professor of Climate Justice (tenured) and co-director of the Centre for Climate Justice. Cecilie Surasky is the Director of Communications and Narrative at the Othering & Belonging Institute (OBI), where she leads an incredible team focused on integrating strategic communications and narrative strategies. With a background in Religious Studies and Semiotics, Cecilie views all narratives as sacred, and believes that leaders, for better or worse, often serve as modern-day high priests. As former deputy director of Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) she led impactful campaigns aimed at building a co-liberation movement and garnering support for Palestinian human rights. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:45 Panel Introduction and Moderator 01:31 Exploring Trauma and Its Impact 02:44 Weaponizing Trauma in Conflict 06:14 Historical Context and Jewish Identity 10:54 Challenging Narratives and Identities 15:09 The Role of Trauma in Shaping Perspectives 30:35 The Impact of Trauma on Palestinians 32:17 Structures of Deliberate Traumatization 37:48 Healing and Moving Forward 41:50 Debunking Historical Myths 42:12 Instrumentalization of Trauma 43:24 Hollywood's Role in Shaping Trauma Narratives 46:30 Economic and Political Motives Behind the Holocaust 48:27 Comparing Historical and Modern Genocides 49:59 Imagining a State Focused on Healing Trauma 51:00 Reclaiming and Reinterpreting History 58:29 The Role of Compassion in Addressing Trauma 01:05:44 Palestinian Perspectives on Healing and Storytelling 01:13:21 Concluding Thoughts and Future Conversations Resources Naomi Klein’s Website Gabor Maté’s Website Other and Belonging Institute Jewish Voices for Peace Naomi Klein’s Article on Israel Weaponizing Trauma: “How Israel has made trauma a weapon of war” (The Guardian) Doppelganger: A Trip into the Mirror World by Naomi Klein The Myth of Normal: Trauma, Illness & Healing in a Toxic Culture by Gabor Maté  Watch SAND’s Where Olive Trees Weep  Purchase SAND’s full 23-video series Conversations on Palestine Watch SAND’s The Wisdom of Trauma  Learn more about the SAND Community Gatherings  Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1 h 22 min
  6. #116  Echoes of Resilience: Rawan Roshni

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    #116  Echoes of Resilience: Rawan Roshni

    Rawan Roshni is in conversation to discuss the recent ceasefire announcement affecting Palestine and offers a poignant and emotional reflection on the situation. She shares stories from her displaced Palestinian heritage, detailing her family's survival and the ongoing trauma faced by Palestinians. We explore the healing modalities of sound, music, and the human voice and listen to two of her newest live pieces of music and poetry, “Al-Tuyoor: Messages from the Birds” and “Prophecy of Remembrance”. Rawan Roshni is a Palestinian/Balkan, Global Citizen, Arab Woman, based in Jordan. She uses her voice as an Artivist through her singing/songwriting and facilitation of brave spaces focusing her work in the SWANA region. She has co-founded multiple interfaith and world music projects and most recently has been touring her solo tri-lingual live-looping Music & Poetry performance Al-Tuyoor: Messages from the Birds for 2 years across 7 countries and counting! Her facilitation work over the past decade has ranged from issues such as conflict transformation, collective liberation, catalyzing community, emotional processing tools, conscious relating, consent and more! She fuses Sound, Movement and Intuitive Rituals as tools in her work, bringing elements such as group singing, sound work through vocalization, whirling dance, and intentional nature-based practices. Topics: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:29 Emotional Reactions to Ceasefire 01:38 Mixed Feelings and Skepticism 04:01 Personal Connection to Palestine 05:17 Family History and Displacement 09:21 Art and Music as Healing 11:43 The Power of the Human Voice 12:38 Artivism and Activism 19:20 “Prophecy of Rememberance” (song) 38:07 Birds as Messengers 57:50 Future Projects and Closing Remarks Resources: Website Instagram Nada Bramha Aboriginal Song Lines “Conference of the Birds” by Manṭiq-uṭ-Ṭayr Sacred Activism Course at Tamera Sacred Activism Course in Montenegro Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    1 h 4 min
  7. #115 Remembering Nature’s Ways: Darcia Narvaez

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    #115 Remembering Nature’s Ways: Darcia Narvaez

    In this live SAND Community Gathering (January 2025), SAND co-founders Maurizio and Zaya Benazzo welcome Darcia Narvaez, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Notre Dame, to discuss her interdisciplinary research on evolved morality, child development, and human flourishing. Narvaez shares insights from her book, The Evolved Nest, and explores the impact of modern parenting practices, the benefits of communal child-rearing, and the neurological and emotional development of children. The discussion also holds space for the importance of nature immersion, indigenous practices, and the detrimental effects of trauma on development. The episode concludes with practical tips for parents and communities to foster a nurturing environment based on centuries-old wisdom. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:46 Guest Introduction: Darcia Narvaez 02:14 Darcia's Journey and Early Influences 05:32 The Concept of the Evolved Nest 08:34 Modern Birth Practices and Their Impact 14:08 Parenting and Child Development in Indigenous Communities 16:36 The Role of Community in Child Rearing 19:52 Education and Learning: Western vs. Indigenous Approaches 27:54 The Impact of Trauma in Modern and Natural Worlds 28:42 The Impact of Early Trauma on Male Elephants 29:04 Developmental Needs of Young Males 29:52 The Role of Older Males in Elephant Social Structure 30:43 Human Development and Mentorship 31:16 The Importance of Multi-Aged Groups 32:01 Rites of Passage and Ceremonial Transitions 33:03 Vertical and Horizontal Connectedness 34:10 The Influence of Christianity and Patriarchy 35:08 Creation Spirituality and Indigenous Worldview 36:05 The Evolved Nest and Modern Parenting 37:15 The Role of Community in Child Development 39:39 The Importance of Nature and Healing Practices 46:17 Learning from Octopus Intelligence 48:04 Restoring the Kinship Worldview 51:05 Conclusion and Call to Action Resources The Evolved Nest (website) The Evolved Nest: Nature's Way of Raising Children and Creating Connected Communities (book) Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

    55 min

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Sounds of SAND invites listeners into a contemplative journey through the infinite cycles of existence - from its raw beauty to its deepest mysteries, from its intricate complexity to its profound wonder. Through intimate conversations, thought-provoking interviews, poetic readings, and carefully curated music, we weave together ancient wisdom with lived experience, creating a tapestry of sound that honors the great questions of being

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