4. Down But Not Out

In this episode we speak to Anatol Lieven about whether Putin may actually come out of the mutiny stronger than before. Lieven is director of the Eurasia programme at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and author of books including Ukraine and Russia: A Fraternal Rivalry. The episode is hosted and produced by senior producer Conor Boyle Music: - 220522 piano loop by donaldtimo Clips: BBC News, CNN — Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content, early access and much more We’d love to hear your feedback and what you think we should talk about next, who we should have on and what our future debates should be. Send us an email or voice note with your thoughts to podcasts@intelligencesquared.com or Tweet us @intelligence2.