The Humans vs Retirement Podcast

Dan Haylett
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The Humans vs Retirement Podcast

When it comes to retirement, many waste precious time by letting their emotions and behaviours overtake their dreams and desires. Humans are not wired for a modern retirement and are in a battle to ensure their life after work gives them freedom & joy. Each episode of The Humans vs Retirement Podcast contains expert opinions and real retirement stories that look at the emotional, behavioural and financial challenges of life after work, which will give you tools and tips to live a happy, healthy and wealthy retirement.

  1. The Soul of Wealth with Dr Daniel Crosby

    5 DAYS AGO

    The Soul of Wealth with Dr Daniel Crosby

    Summary In this episode, Dr Daniel Crosby returns to discuss his new book The Soul of Wealth and the concept of soulful wealth, particularly in the context of retirement. He emphasises that money should serve individuals rather than control them, and highlights the importance of relationships and personal growth in achieving happiness. Our conversation explores the PERMA model, which outlines five facets of flourishing: Positive experiences, Engagement, Relationships, Meaning, and Advancement. Daniel stresses the need for intentionality in retirement planning, focusing on non-financial elements that contribute to a fulfilling life. He also discusses the limitations of money and the critical role of time management in enhancing well-being. Throughout our enlightening conversation, Daniel and I explore the intricate relationship between money, happiness, and retirement. We discuss the increasing screen time among retirees, the role of AI in daily life, and how spending money can align with personal values to enhance joy. Our discussion delves into the societal pressures of materialism, the fear of the unknown in retirement, and strategies for managing uncertainty. Ultimately, Daniel emphasises the importance of making conscious financial choices that reflect one's true values and the potential for positive surprises in the future. Key Takeaways Money should serve you, not control you. Strong relationships are key to happiness. Retirement planning should include non-financial elements. The PERMA model outlines five facets of flourishing. Engagement in meaningful activities is crucial in retirement. Loneliness can have severe health impacts. Intentionality in spending free time is essential. Advancement and personal growth should continue post-retirement. Expectations of retirement can lead to disappointment. Time management is a powerful tool for happiness. Retirees are increasingly spending time watching television due to newfound free time. AI should handle mundane tasks, allowing humans to focus on creativity. Spending money on experiences and relationships can lead to greater happiness. Aligning spending with personal values is crucial for fulfillment. Materialism is linked to lower well-being and should be avoided. Fear of the unknown can hinder retirement satisfaction. Controlling what you can in finances is essential for peace of mind. Expect market fluctuations as a normal part of investing. Positive uncertainty can lead to unexpected joys in life. Chronic stress is detrimental; managing expectations is key.  Sound Bites "Money is a servant and not a master." "Relationships are profoundly messy." "Retirement is often put on a pedestal." "Money can't buy us happiness outright." "Time is the ultimate purchase." "We spend our free time on screens." "I want AI to mow my lawn and do my laundry." "Align your spending with your core values." "The Joneses aren't as happy as they seem." "Expect market corrections; they are normal." Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Welcome Back 01:13 - Defining Soulful Wealth 05:00 - The Role of Relationships in Retirement 10:08 - Exploring the PERMA Model 14:25 - Creating Opportunities for Advancement 16:18 - The Reality of Retirement Expectations 19:24 - Understanding Money's Limitations 22:12 - The Importance of Time in Retirement 25:58 - The Rise of Screen Time in Retirement 27:47 - The Role of AI in Daily Life 28:44 - Spending Money for Happiness 34:31 - Aligning Spending with Values 37:27 - The Joneses Aren't Happy 42:07 - Confronting the Fear of the Unknown 49:44 - Managing Uncertainty in Retirement Links Buy Daniel's brilliant book The Soul of Wealth TED Talk by Martin Seligman on Positive Psychology & the PERMA Model Book in a time for us to chat about your retirement plans

    57 min
  2. How Our Nervous Systems Impacts Our Retirement with Sheridan Ruth

    15 NOV

    How Our Nervous Systems Impacts Our Retirement with Sheridan Ruth

    Summary In this episode of the Humans vs Retirement podcast, Sheridan shares her inspirational journey through trauma and healing, emphasising the importance of understanding the nervous system's role in our experiences. Our conversation explores the challenges of modern retirement, likening it to a form of grief, and highlights the need for intentional preparation for this significant life transition. Sheridan and I explore the emotional and psychological aspects of navigating challenges, particularly in the context of retirement and personal growth. We discuss the importance of understanding emotional responses, the necessity of lifelong learning, and the skills required to manage sensations and emotions effectively. She emphasises the significance of spending money wisely to create lasting memories, the barriers individuals face in changing their spending habits, and the differences in emotional expression between genders. The conversation concludes with actionable insights for listeners to reflect on their own narratives regarding money and life transitions. Key Takeaways Sheridan's story illustrates resilience and the power of healing. The nervous system plays a crucial role in our life experiences. Modern retirement poses unique challenges for individuals. Retirement can evoke feelings similar to grief.People often neglect to plan adequately for retirement. Understanding one's nervous system can aid in emotional regulation. The transition into retirement can feel lonely and confusing. Money is a significant factor in how we experience safety and identity. Intentional preparation for retirement can lead to fulfillment. This phase of life can be the most rewarding if approached thoughtfully. Your body perceives the threat is too big. We just haven't given ourselves the tools to deal with challenges. Every single thing that we avoid is about the sensations it creates. Being with corporal sensation is a skill that can be learned. The best retirees are lifelong learners who stay curious. Learn how to be with more sensations in your body. Spending money is a skill that no one's ever been taught. Turn your money into memories rather than just saving. Your full-time job is now nervous system regulation after retirement. The biggest blocker to spending is our internal wiring and identity. Sound Bites "Sheridan's story is truly inspirational." "The nervous system's job is to keep you safe." "Retirement is like a form of grief." "This is crucial stage of life." "Your body perceives the threat is too big." "We just haven't given ourselves the tools." "Being with corporal sensation is a skill." "The best retirees are lifelong learners." "Turn your money into memories." "The biggest blocker is our internal wiring." Chapters 00:00 - Introduction and Background 07:50 - Sheridan's Journey Through Trauma 14:57 - Understanding the Nervous System 19:52 - The Challenges of Modern Retirement 26:04 - Retirement as a Form of Grief 28:02 - Understanding Emotional Responses to Challenges 32:15 - The Importance of Lifelong Learning 34:10 - Navigating Sensations and Emotions 35:21 - The Skill of Spending Money Wisely 38:41 - Barriers to Spending and Emotional Vulnerability 41:26 - Nervous System Regulation and Emotional Processing 44:37 - Gender Differences in Emotional Expression 49:27 - Final Thoughts and Homework for Listeners Links www.sheridanruth.com Nervous System Cheat Sheet

    56 min
  3. Beyond Your Career with Victoria Barker

    8 NOV

    Beyond Your Career with Victoria Barker

    Summary In this episode of the Humans vs Retirement podcast, I get to have a great conversation with Victoria Barker, co-founder of Beyond Your Career. Beyond Your Career is a programme led by a skilled team of expert coaches, psychologists and neuropsychologists to help ensure a smooth psychological transition from a demanding career, which includes workshops and insights from world-class experts and a supportive community of peers navigating the same transition. We discuss the challenges of transitioning from demanding careers to retirement, the importance of early planning, and the psychological aspects of identity and purpose. Victoria shares her journey of co-founding Beyond Your Career, driven by her observations of the struggles faced by individuals, particularly men, during this transition. Our conversation emphasises the need for community support, understanding one's identity beyond work, and the significance of preparing for retirement well in advance. Victoria and I explore the themes of career transitions, rediscovering passions, and the importance of values in shaping one's purpose. We discuss the courage required to pursue new paths, the common tendency to follow societal expectations, and the significance of introspection in finding fulfillment. Our discussion also highlights the impact of the book 'The Why Cafe' on understanding purpose and the necessity of values as a foundation for personal growth and decision-making. Key Takeaways The transition from a demanding career can lead to identity crises. Planning for retirement should start years in advance. Community support is crucial during the transition process. Many individuals struggle with mental health after leaving their careers. Understanding personal values is key to a fulfilling retirement. The disconnect between research and real-life experiences is significant. Men are particularly at risk of struggling with retirement transitions. It's important to explore who you want to be, not just what you will do. Life reviews can help identify themes and desires for the future. Crafting multiple identities can aid in a smoother transition. Reflecting on past aspirations can lead to fulfilling new paths. Courage is essential for making bold career decisions. Many pursue roles they think they should, rather than what they want. Introspection is crucial for understanding personal desires. Transitioning from full-time work can be gradual and beneficial. Purpose can be found through exploration and experimentation. Values serve as the foundation for identity and purpose. Asking difficult questions can lead to deeper self-awareness. The journey to purpose often involves trial and error. It's important to recognize and avoid paths that don't resonate.  Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Beyond Your Career 04:29 The Journey to Co-Founding Beyond Your Career 08:38 Understanding the Transition Process 12:34 Planning for Retirement: The Importance of Early Preparation 18:50 The Disconnect Between Research and Reality 21:46 Identity Crisis: Who Are You After Retirement? 27:57 Crafting a New Identity Post-Career 31:18 Rediscovering Passions and Aspirations 34:49 The Courage to Change Paths 38:13 Questioning the 'Shoulds' in Career Transitions 41:58 Navigating the Transition from Full-Time Work 44:17 The Y Cafe: A Journey to Purpose 55:38 Values as the Foundation for Purpose Links Beyond Your Career  The Why Cafe

    57 min
  4. How to Build a Legacy to Die For with Dr Kimberly Harms

    22 OCT

    How to Build a Legacy to Die For with Dr Kimberly Harms

    About Kimberly Dr. Harms helps people understand the importance of showing their love for their families by setting them up for success through comprehensive legacy planning. Dr. Harms has witnessed death up close many times throughout her life. She suffered the loss of her mother and her son to suicide and, eventually, her husband from a broken heart. These events shaped her views on finding meaning in grief, and she set out on a mission to end the stigma around end-of-life planning. As a fourth-quarter coach and international speaker specializing in grief, conflict resolution, and legacy planning, she helps people put an emotional life insurance plan in place so that their loved ones are left in an emotionally healthy space after they are gone. Her book Are You Ready? How to Build a Legacy to Die For discusses how to build a legacy that lives on after your death. It was a #1 bestseller on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and named the most inspirational book of 2024 by the Pacific Book Awards. Summary In this episode of the Humans vs Retirement podcast, Dr. Kimberly Harms shares her profound journey through grief, loss, and the quest for purpose in the later stages of life. At 68, Kimberly reflects on her experiences, including the tragic loss of her Mum, son and husband, and how these events shaped her understanding of legacy and the importance of living fully. She emphasises the need for purpose in retirement, the significance of building quality relationships, and the power of love letters as a means to connect with family beyond death. Kimberly's insights encourage you to confront your mortality, embrace your life stories, and create meaningful legacies that transcend material wealth. Throughout our conversation, Kimberly and I explore the significance of building a legacy that resonates with love and connection. We discuss the importance of appointing trusted individuals to carry out one's wishes, navigating difficult conversations about death, and the emotional benefits of downsizing. Kimberly shares her personal experiences with grief and the importance of maintaining relationships, culminating in her concept of a 'Grateful But Not Yet Dead Tour' where she expresses appreciation to those who have impacted her life. Key Takeaways Grief affects everyone around us, and we must fight to overcome it. Retirement can lead to a sense of emptiness without purpose. Building quality relationships is key to happiness in life. Understanding mortality allows us to live more fully. Love letters can provide comfort and connection after death. We should take the initiative to develop relationships and not wait for others. Legacy is not about money; it's about the impact we leave behind. Writing letters can help express love and pride to family members. It's important to prepare for death to ease the burden on loved ones. We can reinvent ourselves in the later stages of life.  Appoint trusted individuals to carry out your wishes. Last minute statements can provide immense comfort. Regularly express love to family members. Cultural attitudes often deny discussions about death. Navigating conversations about death can be challenging but necessary. Downsizing can be painful but ultimately freeing. Focus on relationships over material possessions. Planning for the future can ease family burdens after death. Creating memories and experiences is a vital part of legacy. Expressing gratitude can enhance personal happiness and relationships. Sound Bites "I realized that I am in the fourth quarter of my life" "It's worth it to get out there and fight your way out" "Retirement is a time to reinvent ourselves" "You can't underestimate the power of those moments." "Those last minute statements are so powerful." "It's important to tell our family how much we love them." Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Dr. Kimberly Harms 01:29 - Kimberly's Journey Through Grief and Loss 09:38 - The Impact of Grief on Life and Purpose 17:22 -

    55 min
  5. 4% and Beyond! The Evolution of Safe Withdrawal Strategies with Bill Bengen

    27 SEPT

    4% and Beyond! The Evolution of Safe Withdrawal Strategies with Bill Bengen

    Summary In this episode of the Humans vs Retirement podcast, I interview Bill Bengen, the pioneer of the 4% safe withdrawal strategy, who shares insights from his extensive research on retirement income strategies. Bill discusses the evolution of the 4% safe withdrawal rate, revealing that the worst-case scenario may now be closer to 5%. He emphasises the importance of diversification, glider path investing, and rebalancing in enhancing withdrawal rates. The conversation also delves into the risks of inflation and the significance of understanding personal inflation rates in retirement planning. Bill concludes with thoughts on the current market environment and the future of retirement planning. Takeaways Bill Bengen's research has evolved the 4% rule to a 5% worst-case scenario. Only one out of 400 retirees in Bengen's database faced the 5% withdrawal rate. Diversification across multiple asset classes is crucial for sustainable withdrawals. Glider path investing can significantly enhance retirement income. Rebalancing portfolios regularly is essential to avoid overexposure to equities. Sequence of inflation risk poses a significant threat to retirees. Personal inflation rates often exceed government-reported figures. Retirement spending tends to decrease in real terms over time. Many retirees fear running out of money more than death itself. Current market conditions are unique and require careful planning. Sound Bites "The 4% rule has evolved to a 5% worst case." "Only one out of 400 retirees hit the 5% mark." "Diversification is key to higher withdrawal rates." Chapters 00:00 - Introduction to Bill Bengen and His Research 04:52 - The Evolution of the 4% Withdrawal Rule 10:05 - New Insights: The 5% Withdrawal Rate 14:49 - Strategies for Sustainable Withdrawals 20:07 - Understanding Inflation Risks in Retirement 25:09 - The Importance of Personal Inflation Rates 29:59 - The Future of Retirement Planning 34:58 - Conclusion and Future Directions

    43 min
  6. How To Create Your 'Encore Career' with Dr Michelle Prince

    6 SEPT

    How To Create Your 'Encore Career' with Dr Michelle Prince

    Summary In today's episode I'm thrilled to get to have conversation with the author of the brilliant book Creating Your Encore Career, Dr Michelle Prince  Michelle is a global leadership coach, HR technology advisor, human capital consultant and author. A certified leadership coach since 2006 with a doctorate in management and organizational leadership, she helps professionals and organizations achieve transformational growth.  Michelle has over 30 years of corporate HR experience and now runs her consulting firm, MPrince Consulting LLC. An advocate for sustainability and empowering people to thrive, she wrote the book Creating Your Encore Career in 2024 to inspire others to craft their own fulfilling Encore Careers.  Join us as Michelle and I discuss the concept of an encore career, which is a meaningful and purposeful career in the third act of life.  Michelle shares her personal journey of transitioning from a corporate HR role to becoming a global leadership coach and senior career coach and explains that many people approaching retirement age feel uncertain about what they want to do next and may not know how to navigate job searching in today's technology-driven world.  She wrote her book, 'Creating Your Encore Career,' as a step-by-step guide to help individuals in this stage of life explore their options, find fulfilment and transition into purpose driven work in their later years.  We explore the importance of a self-reflection process to identifying passions, values and interests which means that people should redefine their retirement to align with increased lifespans and evolving aspirations.  We also talk about the value of building a professional network and creating a personal brand to showcase expertise and attract new opportunities as well as exploring options like the gig economy, volunteering, entrepreneurship, or continued education  Our conversation also highlights the benefits of growth, curiosity, and exploration in an encore career, as well as the importance of financial planning and managing healthcare and insurance costs.  Takeaways An encore career is a meaningful and purposeful career in the third act of life, providing individuals with an opportunity to continue contributing and finding fulfillment. Many people approaching retirement age feel uncertain about what they want to do next and may not know how to navigate job searching in today's technology-driven world. Financial security is an important consideration when transitioning to an encore career, but it is not the primary driver. The focus is on finding work that aligns with personal values and provides flexibility and fulfillment. People in their 50s and beyond have accumulated knowledge, wisdom, and experience that make them valuable contributors in the workforce. It is never too late or too early to start planning for an encore career. Self-reflection is key to identifying passions, values, strengths, and desired work environments. Having open conversations with family members about expectations and boundaries can also help in designing an encore career. Self-reflection and identifying passions and interests are crucial in transitioning into an encore career. Expanding knowledge and skills through education and certifications can help overcome imposter syndrome and enhance credibility. Building a professional network and creating a personal brand are essential for attracting opportunities and showcasing expertise. Growth, curiosity, and exploration are key elements of an encore career, promoting wellbeing and preventing cognitive decline. Financial planning and managing healthcare and insurance costs are important considerations in an encore career. Sound Bites "An encore career is a meaningful and purposeful career in the third act of life." "Many people who are approaching retirement age feel uncertain about what they want to do next." "Financial security is important, but it is not the

    59 min
  7. The Three Domains of Freedom with George Kinder

    28 AUG

    The Three Domains of Freedom with George Kinder

    Summary Today’s conversation is a first for my podcast in that I welcome back a previous guest!  And I couldn't think of having my first repeat guest as anyone better that the brilliant George Kinder!   George was previously on the show in episode 20 where we discussed Life planning and how to light the retirement torch. For those that don't know, George is widely regarded as the father of Financial Life planning and a global leading voice in this field.  Today's conversation centres around Goerges new book The Three Domains of Freedom which explores the different aspects of freedom and how the relate to a fulfilling life.   The three domains we discuss are: The freedom of each moment, The freedom to pursue one’s life and the freedom within civilisation.  During our conversation George emphasises the importance of mindfulness and being preset in each moment to experience true freedom. He also discusses the significance of having a passionate purpose and taking control of your life.   George and I also discuss the the concept of freedom and its various dimensions. We talk about freedom of thought, freedom of time and the importance of celebrating achievements, no matter how small!  We also touch on the state of society and the need for unity and trust and at the end George shares his proposal for a legislative solution to create a more trustworthy and humane civilisation.  Takeaways Mindfulness and being present in each moment is key to experiencing true freedom. Having a passionate purpose and taking control of one's life leads to a sense of fulfillment. Shortening timeframes and taking action can create a sense of energy and accomplishment. Working with a skilled life planner can help uncover hidden desires and goals. Freedom encompasses more than just physical freedom; it includes freedom of thought and freedom of time. Celebrating achievements, no matter how small, is important for a fulfilling life. Society is currently fragmented and polarized, but there is a solution: unity and trust. George Kinder proposes a legislative solution that requires institutions to have a fiduciary obligation to truth, democracy, the planet, and humanity. Creating a trustworthy civilization starts with individuals and businesses adopting a fiduciary standard. Sound Bites "There were three domains.""Mindfulness is really about the mastery of the present moment." "Feeling that I have a passionate purpose that I am moving toward or living in." "It doesn't mean that it's freedom just to go and sit on the couch or lay on the..." "When I talk to a lot of people that I've worked with, they actually talk about freedom of thought a lot." "Celebrating achievements, you know, no matter how small they are, I think is really critical to a fulfilling life." Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Overview 02:55 The Three Domains of Freedom 05:52 The Freedom of Each Moment 11:52 Finding Your Passionate Purpose 17:59 Shortening Timeframes for Action and Energy 26:21 Exploring the Dimensions of Freedom 28:30 Unity and Trust in a Fragmented Society 44:03 A Legislative Solution for a Trustworthy Civilization Links George's new book The Three Domains of Freedom My YouTube Channel

    57 min
  8. A License To Spend Money In Retirement with Michael Finke

    19 AUG

    A License To Spend Money In Retirement with Michael Finke

    Summary Today’s conversation is with retirement investing, income planning and life satisfaction expert, Michael Finke  Michael is a professor of wealth management and Frank M. Engle Distinguished Chair in Economic Security at The American College of Financial Services.   He received a doctorate in consumer economics from the Ohio State University in 1998 and in finance from the University of Missouri in 2011. He leads the O. Alfred Granum Center for Financial Security at the American College and is a research fellow at the Retirement Income Institute, and a member of the Defined Contribution Institutional Investment Association Academic Advisory Council.   He is an internationally known researcher in the areas of retirement income planning, retirement spending, life satisfaction, and cognitive aging. He is a frequent speaker at financial planning conferences and was named one of the 25 most influential people in the field of investment advising in 2020 and 2021 by Investment Advisor Magazine.  In this conversation, Michael and I discuss the importance of mindset and positivity in retirement planning. We explore the correlation between health and financial behaviours among retirees and the role of positivity in driving savings and spending behaviour. We also discuss the benefits of annuities as a way to ensure a guaranteed income in retirement and how the psychological impact of spending from income versus spending from assets is often a licence to spend for many retirees. The conversation emphasizes the need to align money with values and goals to maximize happiness in retirement.  Takeaways There is a strong connection between health behaviors and money behaviors, as both involve making decisions to defer gratification and invest in a better future. Retirement income planning should involve considering both spending and legacy goals, and giving oneself the agency to choose how much of their savings to spend and how much to pass on to others. It is important to recognize and accept our own mortality when planning for retirement, and to design a plan that allows us to spend the money we've saved for the purpose of enjoying a better lifestyle. Retirement should be viewed as an opportunity to bring forward the ability to give money to loved ones and causes we care about, rather than waiting until the end of life. Spending money in retirement can bring more happiness and satisfaction than simply accumulating wealth, and it is important to prioritize experiences and social interactions that provide joy. Designing a retirement plan should involve envisioning the future and creating a financial structure that supports the desired lifestyle, rather than solely focusing on numbers and spreadsheets. Mindset and positivity play a crucial role in retirement planning. Health and financial behaviors are correlated among retirees, and positivity drives savings behavior. Annuities provide a license to spend and allow retirees to spend more from income than from assets. Aligning money with values and goals can lead to greater happiness in retirement. Sound Bites "What is wealth? Wealth is a store of future spending. It is a store of future happiness." "The goal is lifestyle. That's why you save the money in the first place. Let's design a structure so that you can have the lifestyle that you want to live." "Recognize that you had a choice and your choice was: Do I want to spend the money that I've saved that I've sacrificed to be able to build or am I going to be happier passing it on to someone else?" "How we view retirement and how positive we are about our years going forward is going to shape the way we want to spend our money." "People who think that life is going to be more pleasurable in their 80s are more motivated to ensure that they still have income in their 80s." "Annuities give you the ability to spend more every year and never feel bad about it." Chapters 00:00  Introduction and Backgro

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When it comes to retirement, many waste precious time by letting their emotions and behaviours overtake their dreams and desires. Humans are not wired for a modern retirement and are in a battle to ensure their life after work gives them freedom & joy. Each episode of The Humans vs Retirement Podcast contains expert opinions and real retirement stories that look at the emotional, behavioural and financial challenges of life after work, which will give you tools and tips to live a happy, healthy and wealthy retirement.

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