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What do assassinations, cyber hacks and disinformation have in common? They’re all weapons used by states against each other in a grey zone of harm that sits - deliberately - under the threshold of war, but could be just as dangerous if ignored.

Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores this often invisible battlefield, where anything can be - and is - used as a weapon and anyone, anywhere can be a target.

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What do assassinations, cyber hacks and disinformation have in common? They’re all weapons used by states against each other in a grey zone of harm that sits - deliberately - under the threshold of war, but could be just as dangerous if ignored.

Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores this often invisible battlefield, where anything can be - and is - used as a weapon and anyone, anywhere can be a target.

    Episode One: The Gathering Storm

    Episode One: The Gathering Storm

    This episode seeks to explain what the grey zone is. It includes a warning from General Sir Nick Carter, the head of the UK’s armed forces, and Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, about the danger of ignoring attacks in this murky space, while Lieutenant General Graeme Lamb, a former director of UK special forces, warns: “We’re being boiled like a frog!”

    Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes then travels to Salisbury with the widow of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko to visit the site of one of the most high profile grey zone attacks – the poisoning of another ex-Russian agent, Sergei Skripal, and his daughter Yulia.

    Lord Mark Sedwill, a former national security adviser, talks about how he led the UK’s response to nerve agent poisoning and the fake news that followed.

    Finally, Eliot Higgins, founder of the investigative website Bellingcat, describes how he and his team revealed the true identities of the Russian military intelligence officers named by the UK as prime suspects in the attempted assassination. Russia denies involvement.

    Interviews:

    General Sir Nick Carter, chief of the defence staff

    Ben Wallace, defence secretary

    Lord Mark Sedwill, former UK national security adviser, former cabinet secretary

    Lieutenant General (retired) Graeme Lamb, former director of UK special forces

    Marina Litvinenko, widow of former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko

    Eliot Higgins, founder of the investigative website Bellingcat

    Colonel Hamish de Bretton-Gordon, former commanding officer of the UK’s Joint, Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Regiment

    Credits
    Written by Deborah Haynes and Chris Scott
    Narrated by Deborah Haynes
    Edited and produced by Chris Scott
    Production support from Sophia McBride and Victoria Seabrook
    The head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris

    • 48 min
    Introducing Into the Grey Zone

    Introducing Into the Grey Zone

    What do assassinations, cyber hacks and disinformation have in common? They’re all weapons used by states against each other in a grey zone of harm that sits - deliberately - under the threshold of war, but could be just as dangerous if ignored.

    Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores this often invisible battlefield, where anything can be - and is - used as a weapon and anyone, anywhere can be a target.

    The series examines grey zone assaults; from the poisoning of a former Russian spy and his daughter in the UK and the killing of a nuclear scientist in Iran; to attempts to influence elections in the United States; and a suspected North Korean cyber-attack on the NHS.

    The podcast also includes interviews with spies and military chiefs who warn about the threat to daily life if attacks in the grey zone go unpunished.

    In the words of one former head of the UK’s special forces: “We’re being boiled like a frog!”

    Credits
    Written by Deborah Haynes and Chris Scott
    Narrated by Deborah Haynes
    Edited and produced by Chris Scott
    Production support from Sophia McBride and Victoria Seabrook
    The head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris

    • 2 min

Customer Reviews

4.6 out of 5
93 Ratings

93 Ratings

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WOW

Scary stuff. Brilliant listening

Dic head ,

Israeli assassination of Iranian scientists

Looking forward to you covering this.

Bob,NotBob ,

An ever complex situation

It was interesting to here the concerns of military experts, especially the warnings of the path we seem to be on.

My concern is that misinformation, disinformation, etc is also being adopted internally as a way to silence and ignore legitimate concerns and questions. That wouldn’t really be anything new: conflicts between rulers and the ruled are as old as civilisation and, as history shows, rulers often grab hold of any convenient rhetorical argument, often using a threat of outsider incursion, to protect their position.

More care needs to be taken to differentiate between genuine unrest and questions which may be uncomfortable and external activity. To protect our democracy, we must ensure it works for all of its citizens. Though I suspect that won’t be listened to either and we will continually gift opportunities to those who dislike our way of life... so there we are (with the people of the past) reluctantly condemned to a path we can already see.

Holding on to hope that the remaining podcasts deal with these important contextual issues.

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