38 episodes

Inside the world of crisis managers and spin doctors as David Yelland and Simon Lewis watch the week's biggest PR disasters unfold. In each episode our hosts go behind the scenes of the latest news stories and find out how, where and when it all began to hit the fan.
When It Hits The Fan is hosted by two of the most influential and experienced people in the game; David Yelland is the former editor of the Sun and alongside him is Simon Lewis, former trouble-shooter for the Queen and Gordon Brown, as well as for major corporations like the Nat West, Vodafone and British Gas. Together they bring decades of experience in both creating and managing crises. They'll share all they know about what's keeping those big stories in and out of the news.

When It Hits the Fan BBC Radio 4

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    • 4.8 • 114 Ratings

Inside the world of crisis managers and spin doctors as David Yelland and Simon Lewis watch the week's biggest PR disasters unfold. In each episode our hosts go behind the scenes of the latest news stories and find out how, where and when it all began to hit the fan.
When It Hits The Fan is hosted by two of the most influential and experienced people in the game; David Yelland is the former editor of the Sun and alongside him is Simon Lewis, former trouble-shooter for the Queen and Gordon Brown, as well as for major corporations like the Nat West, Vodafone and British Gas. Together they bring decades of experience in both creating and managing crises. They'll share all they know about what's keeping those big stories in and out of the news.

    Matthew Freud special

    Matthew Freud special

    In a special episode of When It Hits the Fan, Simon Lewis and David Yelland talk to Matthew Freud about his 40-year career at the head of one of the most influential PR businesses in the world. Freud Communications has promoted and protected the reputations of the biggest names in Britain.
    Born into the famous Freud family, he married into a global media dynasty to become Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law. He has kept the secrets of the rich and the powerful as well as advising prime ministers and pop stars.
    In this rare broadcast interview, Matthew Freud discusses power, politics and his views on British public life from his unique perspective at the pinnacle of public relations.
    Producer: Eve Streeter
    Editor: Sarah Teasdale
    Executive Producer: William Miller
    Music by Eclectic Sounds
    A Raconteur production for BBC Radio 4

    • 35 min
    Dorothy Byrne special

    Dorothy Byrne special

    On When It Hits the Fan, we often talk about crises as if they should be avoided at all costs. But Dorothy Byrne, the former head of News and Current Affairs at Channel 4, is living proof that walking towards the fan is often a hallmark of people that effect positive change.
    In this special deep-dive interview, David Yelland and Simon Lewis talk to Dorothy about the relationship between PR and journalism, being lobbied, and her fearless approach to reporting the truth – including her 2019 MacTaggart lecture when she called the then prime minister a “known liar”.
    Producer: Eve Streeter
    Editor: Sarah Teasdale
    Executive Producer: William Miller
    Music by Eclectic Sounds
    A Raconteur production for BBC Radio 4

    • 28 min
    Mick Lynch special

    Mick Lynch special

    In this special episode, David Yelland and Simon Lewis talk to Mick Lynch, the leader of the RMT, about how to get your point across.
    We seem to be living through a time when words too often fail us. But there are some people in our body politic whose words cut through - regardless of our own thoughts on their views. Many of Mick Lynch's head-to-heads with journalists and politicians have gone viral. Like - when speaking directly to a government minister - “He’s lying… you are telling lies.” To a journalist: "You do come up with the most remarkable twaddle,” and, during a speech, his rallying call: "We refuse to be poor anymore.” He even managed to win public sympathy for that most unpopular of disruptions – a nationwide train strike.
    How does he do it?
    Producer: Eve Streeter
    Editor: Sarah Teasdale
    Executive Producer: William Miller
    Music by Eclectic Sounds
    A Raconteur production for BBC Radio 4

    • 28 min
    What can we learn from Kate?

    What can we learn from Kate?

    In this episode, David Yelland and Simon Lewis discuss the lessons learnt from the Princess of Wales’s video announcement that she is undergoing treatment for cancer.
    It raises some important issues for the Royal Family in a social media age. And for all of us. What is privacy in the online world? How can people in the public eye manage their privacy in the global village that is social media? And for the Royal Family going forward, what can the Palaces do to protect individual members while also promoting the royal brand?
    The Royal Family are in the vanguard here. What Kate is experiencing is what many others may have to face in the future. Will this be a turning point?
    Producer: Eve Streeter
    Editor: Sarah Teasdale
    Executive Producer: William Miller
    Assistant Producer: Sophie Smith
    Music by Eclectic Sounds
    A Raconteur production for BBC Radio 4

    • 28 min
    TikTok and China, how to make a royal story go away and cybersecurity PR

    TikTok and China, how to make a royal story go away and cybersecurity PR

    In this episode, David Yelland and Simon Lewis are talking TikTok. In the US, the social media platform is facing an existential threat. But behind it is a world of Chinese PR that’s not making the headlines. How does it work? And what are all the western PR agencies embedded in China doing there?
    Also, as the risk of IT system crashes and cyber attacks escalates, David and Simon lift the lid on the role of communications in the booming cybersecurity sector.
    And following the short video of the Princess of Wales released on The Sun’s website, they ask if this is a PR master stroke, or something else. What is going on?
    Producer: Eve Streeter
    Editor: Sarah Teasdale
    Executive Producer: William Miller
    Assistant Producer: Sophie Smith
    Music by Eclectic Sounds
    A Raconteur production for BBC Radio 4

    • 28 min
    The Palace in crisis

    The Palace in crisis

    As a former editor of The Sun, and the late Queen’s first communications secretary, David Yelland and Simon Lewis used to be on opposing sides of a Royal PR disaster – David working to expose a story that Simon was trying to control. In this special episode, they bring everything they know about how Palace PR works to shed some light on the events surrounding Kate Middleton’s absence and the controversy surrounding her Mother’s Day family photo.
    What’s really going on behind the scenes? And does a failure to master 21st century communications pose a genuine, real danger to the Royal Family’s survival?
    Producer: Eve Streeter
    Editor: Sarah Teasdale
    Executive Producer: William Miller
    Assistant Producer: Sophie Smith
    Music by Eclectic Sounds
    A Raconteur production for BBC Radio 4

    • 28 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
114 Ratings

114 Ratings

vanessalouwill ,

Intelligent insightful conversation

Thoroughly enjoying this podcast and have already recommended it to three people, Simon and David are the sort of people you would like to be stuck in a lift with

SJCgypsy ,

Wisdom + humour = brilliant

My favourite podcast of the week. The hosts have such brilliant chemistry, gentle humour and have such an incredible breadth of experience between them that they generously share. Two guys still at the absolute top of their game, more episodes please!

Loz mk2 ,

Bottled it

I feel bad for not giving a 4/5 star review as this is a brilliant show and generally delivers top quality. But to not discuss the biggest PR fan hitter of the year so far - Hester, TPP and Tory donations is a cop
Out . I’m also surprised there isn’t another look at Red Bull as they suspend the female team member. A damp squib this one where the fan wasn’t turned on and nothing was in Danger of hitting it.

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