Who was the Real Boss: Nitti or Ricca?

Retired Intelligence Detective Gary Jenkins brings you the best in mob history with his unique perception of the mafia. In this conversation between Gary and Camillus Robinson, aka “Cam,” they delve into the intriguing histories of Frank Nitti and Paul Ricca, pivotal figures in the Chicago outfit from the Capone era to modern times. Cam discusses his book “Chicago Swan Song: A Mob Wife Story,” detailing Lisa Swan’s experiences living in the shadow of the Calabrese mob family during the Family Secrets trial. They explore the power dynamics between Nitti and Ricca, highlighting Nitti’s enforcement role and Ricca’s political savvy and connections with mob bosses nationwide. The conversation transitions to discussions around Capone’s influence, with differing perspectives on Nitti’s power after Capone’s downfall and Ricca’s rise to prominence. They delve into the organizational structure of the Chicago outfit, noting the mentorship roles that Nitti and Ricca played in grooming future mob leaders like Tony Accardo and Giancana. The conversation also touches on the Kansas City-Chicago mob connections and their intertwined history. Gary and Cam reflect on the transition from the prohibition era to modern times, emphasizing Nitti and Ricca’s legacy and impact in shaping the Chicago Outfit. They shed light on the mob’s complex relationships and power dynamics, pointing out how the Chicago Outfit Bosses changed while the organizational structure persisted. Gary and Cam keep the audience engaged throughout their banter with their deep knowledge and entertaining exchanges.
Chapters
0:00
Welcome to Gangland Wire
0:24
The Swan Song of Chicago Mob
3:49
Capone’s Shadow and Chicago’s Shift
11:22
Ricca’s Rise and National Connections
12:50
The Hollywood Scam and Its Players
14:52
Ricca’s Ascendancy and Tragic End
21:01
Chicago’s Organizational Structure
24:27
Chicago vs. New York Power Dynamics
25:08
Nitty and Ricca: Pivotal Figures
28:24
Mob Summit in Las Vegas

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Transcript
[0:00]
Welcome to Gangland Wire
[0:00]Welcome, all you guys. Well, welcome, all you guys.
I’m back here in studio Gangland Wire with my good friend, Camulus Robinson.
I tell you what, Camulus, I don’t know. I never have said your name right.
I get in trouble all the time for saying names.
I like to