Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons Podcast

Carey Parker
Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons Podcast

Every week, this podcast brings you the cybersecurity and privacy news you need, in a manner that's easy for anyone to understand and even entertaining! The host also interviews top industry leaders, to dig deeper into important topics and recent events. It all that weren't enough, the host also passes along top tips for defending your digital realm.

  1. 3 DAYS AGO

    Episode 400 Special

    The first episode of Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons Podcast aired on March 8, 2017 - almost 8 years ago now. Over that time, I've interviewed over 135 unique and amazing people, covered countless cybersecurity and privacy stories, and offered 100's of tips for protecting your devices and data. To celebrate this momentous occasion, world-renowned cryptography guru Bruce Schneier has returned to for our traditional Podcentennial interview! We discuss several timely topics including the Crowdstrike incident, the pager bombing and supply attacks more generally, US election security, the open market for cyber vulnerabilities, US intelligence agencies' focus on offense versus defense, how AI might actually benefit democracy and much more! Interview Notes Bruce Schneier’s blog:https://www.schneier.com/  Inrupt’s Solid concept: https://www.inrupt.com/solid  Data and Goliath (book): https://www.schneier.com/books/data-and-goliath/  Bruce’s NY Time article on pager bombs: https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2024/09/israels-pager-attacks-have-changed-the-world.html  Joseph Cox “Anom” interview: https://podcast.firewallsdontstopdragons.com/2024/06/10/anom-the-fbis-phone-company/  WaPo detailed analysis of pager bomb attack: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/05/israel-mossad-hezbollah-pagers-nasrallah/  Restoring Trust in Elections: https://podcast.firewallsdontstopdragons.com/2023/12/11/restoring-trust-in-elections/  Hacking election systems w/ Harri Hursti: https://podcast.firewallsdontstopdragons.com/2021/11/08/restoring-trust-in-our-elections/  Hacker Halted conference info: https://hackerhalted.com/agenda/#day-two-october-31st  Further Info Help me reach more people! https://fdsd.me/awareness2 Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support  Generate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/  Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:03:53: Interview setup 0:06:21: What should we have learned from the Crowdstrike incident? 0:11:21: Why is it more profitable for products to be brittle? 0:13:59: Do regulations stifle innovation? 0:15:27: Should intelligence agencies focus more on cyber offense or defense? 0:22:29: Should it be legal to buy and sell zero-days on the open market? 0:26:44: How secure are our election systems today? How do we get people to trust the outcomes? 0:35:41: What's your take on the arrest of Telegram's CEO? 0:39:18: How do we convince lawmakers not to subvert encrypted communications? 0:43:48: How did the exploding pager attack change our views of supply chain security? 0:49:26: In what ways might AI actually benefit our democracy?

    1h 15m
  2. 21 OCT

    Understanding AI Chatbots

    Artificial Intelligence (AI) is the buzzword of the day. There are many types of AI, but one particular flavor is getting a lot of press these days: chatbots. Formally referred to as Large Language Models (LLMs), chatbots like ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini are everywhere - either directly or integrated with other popular apps. This technology is real and it's here to stay, so it's important that we understand what it is, how it works, and what the limitations are. Today I'll explore some aspects of LLMs that you probably weren't aware of. In other news: critical, exploited Firefox bug is fixed (update now!); National Public Data files for bankruptcy after massive breach; hackers target Qualcomm chip zero-day used in many Android phones; China attackers exploit legally-mandated wiretapping backdoor in major telecom systems; new FIDO standard proposed for allowing passkeys to be exported and backed up; a PSA on why you shouldn't share personal information with AI chatbots. Article Links [The Hacker News] Mozilla Warns of Active Exploitation in Firefox, Urges Users to Update Immediately https://thehackernews.com/2024/10/mozilla-warns-of-active-exploitation-in.html [therecord.media] National Public Data files for bankruptcy, citing fallout from cyberattack https://therecord.media/national-public-data-bankruptcy-cyberattack [techcrunch.com] Hackers were targeting Android users with Qualcomm zero-day https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/09/hackers-were-targeting-android-users-with-qualcomm-zero-day/ [pluralistic.net] China hacked Verizon, AT&T and Lumen using the FBI’s backdoor https://pluralistic.net/2024/10/07/foreseeable-outcomes/ [appleinsider.com] Future Passkeys will be able to be shared across platforms & password vaults https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/10/15/future-passkeys-will-be-able-to-be-shared-across-platforms-password-vaults [9to5mac.com] PSA: Here’s another reason not to include personal details in AI chats https://9to5mac.com/2024/10/17/psa-heres-another-reason-not-to-include-personal-details-in-ai-chats/ Tip of the Week: Understanding AI Chatbots Further Info Help me reach more people! https://fdsd.me/awareness2 Privacy Not Included chatbot privacy guide: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/articles/how-to-protect-your-privacy-from-chatgpt-and-other-ai-chatbots/ Gandalf AI game: https://gandalf.lakera.ai/baseline  Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support  Generate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/  Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:01:01: Google finally killing uBlock Origin 0:04:07: News preview 0:05:54: Mozilla Warns of Active Exploitation in Firefox 0:08:55: National Public Data files for bankruptcy 0:14:42: Hackers were targeting Android users with Qualcomm zero-day

    59 min
  3. 14 OCT

    L0pht Heavy Industries

    L0pht Heavy Industries (pronounced "loft") was one of the most influential hacker groups in history. Unlike many others, L0pht carefully cultivated a relationship with mass media, sold profitable products, started businesses, and even testified before the US Senate. Cris Thomas, aka Space Rogue, was one of the earliest members of the L0pht and he recently published a book chronicling the groups long and storied history called Space Rogue: How the Hackers Known As L0pht Changed the World. Today I sit down with Cris to discuss that history and the impacts that the L0pht and other hacker groups have had on all of us. Interview Notes Space Rogue’s website: https://www.spacerogue.net/ L0pht homepage: https://l0pht.com/  L0phtCrack: https://www.l0phtcrack.com/  Textfiles.com: http://textfiles.com/  L0phy testimony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVJldn_MmMY  Charlie Rose “Hackers” interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbTkOuPv2fo  PicoCTF: https://www.picoctf.org/  Hack the Box: https://help.hackthebox.com/en/articles/5200851-introduction-to-ctfs  Further Info Help me reach more people! https://fdsd.me/awareness2 Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support  Generate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/  Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:00:23: Episode 400 coming soon! 0:01:16: Interview setup 0:03:49: Tell us about your book 0:04:52: What is your origin story? How'd you get into hacking? 0:08:15: How often did you meet your fellow hackers in person? 0:10:49: How did the L0pht get started? 0:15:39: What was the reaction when you "come out" as a hacker to friends and family? 0:20:02: How much did different hacker groups interact back in the day? 0:23:19: L0pht cultivated a relationship with the media - how did that affect the dynamic? 0:28:19: What's the history behind the infamous L0phtCrack password tool? 0:35:36: What was it like testifying in front of the US Senate? 0:38:32: How did you get away with testifying under your hacker names? 0:45:29: How did Hacker News Network come to be? 0:52:06: How did we avoid a hacker cyber war against China in the late 90s? 0:57:15: Which of L0pht's many achievements are you most proud of? 0:59:40: What advice would you give to someone wanting to get into cybersecurity? 1:05:39: What's next for you? 1:06:23: Patron bonus content preview 1:06:52: Post-interview notes 1:08:36: Looking ahead

    1h 9m
  4. 7 OCT

    Indicators of Account Compromise

    Sometimes it’s obvious when your accounts are hacked. Maybe your money is gone. Maybe you can no longer log in using the password you know is correct. Maybe everyone you know has gotten a scam email from you that you didn’t send. But sometimes bad guys aren’t so obvious. They may lurk around in your accounts to gather information for identity theft or in hopes of gaining access to other more lucrative accounts. I'll tell you how to find out. In other news: CA governor vetoes opt-out signal bill but signs car privacy bill; 23andMe is in trouble and your data may be, too; PayPal opted you into data sharing without asking; Kaspersky deletes itself and installs UltraAV without asking; 100 million Americans had background data leaked; researchers add facial recognition tech to Meta's smart glasses; NIST updates password rules to with common sense changes; US & Microsoft seize 100+ web domains used by Russian hackers. Article Links [Ars Technica] Calif. Governor vetoes bill requiring opt-out signals for sale of user data https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/09/calif-gov-vetoes-attempt-to-require-new-privacy-option-in-browsers-and-oses/  [Teach Privacy] Bankruptcy Sale of DNA Data: From Toysmart to 23andMe https://teachprivacy.com/bankruptcy-sale-of-dna-data-from-toysmart-to-23andme/  [404 Media] Paypal Opted You Into Sharing Data Without Your Knowledge https://www.404media.co/paypal-personalized-shopping-opt-out/  [Bleeping Computer] Kaspersky deletes itself, installs UltraAV antivirus without warning https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/kaspersky-deletes-itself-installs-ultraav-antivirus-without-warning/  [Tom’s Guide] 100 million Americans just had their background check data exposed https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/100-million-americans-just-had-their-background-check-data-exposed-online-how-to-stay-safe  [404 Media] Someone Put Facial Recognition Tech onto Meta's Smart Glasses to Instantly Dox Strangers https://www.404media.co/someone-put-facial-recognition-tech-onto-metas-smart-glasses-to-instantly-dox-strangers/  [Ars Technica] NIST proposes barring some of the most nonsensical password rules https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/09/nist-proposes-barring-some-of-the-most-nonsensical-password-rules/  [The Record] California passes car data privacy law to protect domestic abuse survivors https://therecord.media/california-car-data-privacy-law-domestic-abuse-tracking  [Semafor] US, Microsoft seize more than 100 websites used by Russian hackers https://www.semafor.com/article/10/03/2024/us-microsoft-seize-more-than-100-websites-used-by-russian-hackers  Tip of the Week: Indicators of Account Compromise: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/indicators-of-account-compromise/  Further Info Help me reach more people! https://fdsd.me/awareness2 Treasure Chest promotion: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/treasure-coin-promo/  How to enable Global Privacy Control: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/how-to-enable-global-privacy-control/  My article on removing your data from the web: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/osint-remediation/  CISA Cybersecurity Awareness Month resources: https://www.cisa.gov/resources-tools/resources/secure-our-world-resources-cybersecurity-awareness-month-2024-toolkit  Stay Safe Online CAM site: https://staysafeonline.org/programs/cybersecurity-awareness-month/  Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna

    1h 10m
  5. 30 SEPT

    TunnelVision, VPNs and You

    Two security researchers showed how many modern VPN services are vulnerable to malicious misconfiguration, exposing some or all of your internet traffic. While this is not likely to impact most of us, it does expose the limitations of Virtual Private Networks and why they are not silver bullets for security of privacy - despite many marketing claims to the contrary. Today we'll discuss how TunnelVision works, how it can be mitigated, and how this affects different privacy threat models with the two researchers from Leviathan Security, Dani Cronce and Lizzie Moratti. Interview Notes Lizzie Moratti: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lmoratti/  Dani Cronce: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danicronce/  TunnelVision: https://www.tunnelvisionbug.com/  ProtonVPN threat model: https://protonvpn.com/blog/threat-model  Dani’s GitHub: https://github.com/superit23  Leviathan Security blog: https://www.leviathansecurity.com/blog  Veilid: https://veilid.com/  Willy Wonka scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvS3j8VtanM  Linux network namespaces: https://blog.scottlowe.org/2013/09/04/introducing-linux-network-namespaces/  What is DeFi? https://www.investopedia.com/decentralized-finance-defi-5113835  Further Info Help me brainstorm ways to reach more people!: https://fdsd.me/awareness2  Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support  Generate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/  Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:01:23: Reminder: brainstorming survey 0:01:47: Podcast chapter markers! 0:02:54: Interview setup 0:05:55: What is a VPN and what isits intended purpose? 0:10:27: If most connections are secured today, why do we need a VPN? 0:12:40: Why do we trust a VPN provider more than our internet access provider? 0:17:40: What are you trying to do with a VPN? 0:19:13: Who can see my internet traffic? 0:25:30: What is TunnelVision and what are the implications for VPN users? 0:29:42: What's a less technical way to understand TunnelVision? 0:33:06: Why might I not want all my traffic to go through the VPN? 0:35:02: How dangerous is TunnelVision for the average person? 0:42:30: How did the VPN companies respond? 0:51:19: What VPN features can mitigate the risk? 0:57:42: Have any VPN makers fixed this problem? Do OS vendors have responsibility here? 1:02:11: Do you have recommendations for VPNs? Is there new tech that might help here? 1:04:00: Would privacy regulations help here?

    1h 14m
  6. 23 SEPT

    Malware Reboot Remedy

    We often think of malware as a problem for our computers and perhaps our smartphones. But bad guys love to hack our home routers and IoT devices, as well. Thankfully, purging malware from those types of devices can usually be done just by rebooting them. (There's a reason tech support always asks you to try turning your device off and back on again.) I'll explain why this works and what you should do to protect your connected devices. In other news: I explain why most people are not in danger of their devices blowing up; a new Windows phishing campaign uses fake CAPTCHAs and PowerShell; LinkedIn started training their AI on your data before telling you how to opt out; Oracle's CEO touts his vision of ubiquitous AI surveillance; Ford seeks a patent to show you ads in your vehicle based on your conversations and other private data; Meta admits to scraping public Instagram and Facebook posts to train its AI; four great new iOS 18 privacy and security features; Apple Intelligence servers are very basic, for a reason; and the FBI shuts down a massive Chinese botnet. Article Links [WIRED] Your Phone Won’t Be the Next Exploding Pager https://www.wired.com/story/exploding-pagers-hezbollah-phones/ [briankrebs] This Windows PowerShell Phish Has Scary Potential https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/09/this-windows-powershell-phish-has-scary-potential/ [404media.co] LinkedIn Is Training AI on User Data Before Updating Its Terms of Service https://www.404media.co/linkedin-is-training-ai-on-user-data-before-updating-its-terms-of-service/ [theregister.com] Ellison declares Oracle 'all in' on AI mass surveillance https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/16/oracle_ai_mass_surveillance_cloud/ [therecord.media] Ford seeks patent for tech that listens to driver conversations to serve ads https://therecord.media/ford-patent-application-in-vehicle-listening-advertising [9to5Mac] Meta scraped all public Facebook and Instagram posts since 2007 for AI training https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/11/meta-scraped-all-public-facebook-and-instagram-posts-since-2007-for-ai-training/ [TechRadar] I'm a privacy expert—here are the 4 iOS 18 features I'm excited about https://www.techradar.com/phones/im-a-privacy-experthere-are-the-4-ios-18-features-im-excited-about [9to5Mac] Apple Intelligence servers are really basic, says Craig Federighi – and that’s deliberate https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/12/apple-intelligence-servers-are-really-basic-says-craig-federighi-and-thats-deliberate/ [Gizmodo] FBI Shuts Down Botnet Run by Beijing-Backed Hackers That Hijacked Over 200,000 Devices https://gizmodo.com/fbi-shuts-down-botnet-run-by-beijing-backed-hackers-that-hijacked-over-200000-devices-2000500627 Tip of the Week: Malware Reboot Remedy Further Info Awareness Campaign Phase 2!: https://fdsd.me/awareness2  LinkedIn privacy settings: https://www.linkedin.com/mypreferences/d/categories/privacy  Test your ad blocker(s): https://d3ward.github.io/toolz/adblock.html  Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission!

    1h 3m
  7. 16 SEPT

    Post-Quantum Crypto

    You may be vaguely aware of the term 'quantum computing' from media reports. But what you may not have picked up on is that one of the primary uses for quantum computers may be to break data encryption. Furthermore, you may not realize that if three-letter agencies can save off our encrypted emails and messages now, this could mean they could read them in the future when sufficiently powerful quantum computing becomes viable. How does this work? And what can we do about it now to protect our privacy in the future? We'll dig into all of this today with Brandon Sundh from Tuta (formerly Tutanota), a prominent secure email company, who is already deploying such protections. Interview Notes Try Tuta! https://tuta.com/  Tuta’s quantum-safe crypto: https://tuta.com/blog/post-quantum-cryptography  Quantum mechanics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics  Schrödinger's cat:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger's_cat  NIST post-quantum standards: https://csrc.nist.gov/projects/post-quantum-cryptography  NSA pays RSA to weaken encryption?: https://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/20/us-usa-security-rsa-idUSBRE9BJ1C220131220/  Longer passwords are better: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/need-a-bigger-password-haystack/  Privacy Guides on Proton Wallet: https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2024/09/08/proton-wallet-review/#why-does-this-exist  Further Info Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support  Generate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/  Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:02:50: Some terminology first 0:07:33: What is quantum computing and what's it good for? 0:16:25: What are the currrent capabilities of quantum computers? 0:22:02: How long have we been working on quantum computers? 0:25:01: If QC is still so far off, why do we need to prepare now? 0:30:53: How do we design encryption to make it safe against quantum computers? 0:36:10: How can we be sure that the NSA isn't buillding backdoors into these algorithms? 0:41:11: Will post-quantum algorithms replace current ones or augment them? 0:45:51: How soon will quantum-safe crypto be roled out? 0:52:42: Who will be able to own and operate these quantum computers? 0:54:45: Are law enforcement agencies pushing back against quantum-safe crypto? 1:00:34: Who is more likely to win: coder makers or code breakers? 1:04:24: Wrap-up 1:05:55: Looking ahead

    1h 8m
  8. 9 SEPT

    The Truth is Out There

    Mis- and disinformation is just a fact of modern life, but certain events can cause the practice to significantly increase - like a big election. This is a good time to review this phenomenon, learning how to recognize it, how to avoid being drawn in, and perhaps most importantly how to reduce its spread. In other news: Telegram's CEO was arrested in France; too many people keep saying Telegram is an secure messaging app when it's really not; if you think ads and tracking are bad now, wait till you hear all the ways modern TVs are monetizing their users; sextortion scams are using some new techniques to scam their victims; consumer groups have lobbied the FTC to create clear guidance on 'software tethering'; and California just approved a new privacy bill that will finally require companies to honor universal opt-out signals from apps and browsers. Article Links BBC] Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested at French airport https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg2kz9kn93o [blog.cryptographyengineering.com] Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app? https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2024/08/25/telegram-is-not-really-an-encrypted-messaging-app/ [Ars Technica] Your TV set has become a digital billboard. And it’s only getting worse. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/tv-industrys-ads-tracking-obsession-is-turning-your-living-room-into-a-store/ [briankrebs] Sextortion Scams Now Include Photos of Your Home https://krebsonsecurity.com/2024/09/sextortion-scams-now-include-photos-of-your-home/ [advocacy.consumerreports.org] Consumer Reports, U.S. PIRG, and 15 other groups call on FTC to create clear guidance for ‘software tethering’ https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/press_release/ftc-software-tethering/ [Dark Reading] California Approves Privacy Bill Requiring Opt-Out Tools https://www.darkreading.com/data-privacy/california-privacy-bill-require-opt-out-tools Tip of the Week: Spotting Fake News https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/the-truth-is-out-there/  Further Info My series on deleting your public data online: https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/osint-reconnaissance/ Enabling Global Privacy Control (GPC): https://firewallsdontstopdragons.com/how-to-enable-global-privacy-control/  Send me your questions! https://fdsd.me/qna  Check out my book, Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons: https://fdsd.me/book  Subscribe to the newsletter: https://fdsd.me/newsletter  Become a patron! https://www.patreon.com/FirewallsDontStopDragons  Get your Firewalls Don’t Stop Dragons Merch! https://fdsd.me/merch  Give the gift of privacy and security: https://fdsd.me/coupons  Support our mission! https://fdsd.me/support  Generate secure passphrases! https://d20key.com/#/  Table of Contents Use these timestamps to jump to a particular section of the show. 0:02:14: News preview 0:05:22: Telegram CEO Pavel Durov arrested at French airport 0:09:47: Is Telegram really an encrypted messaging app? 0:19:57: Your TV set has become a digital billboard. And it’s only getting worse. 0:41:25: Sextortion Scams Now Include Photos of Your Home 0:48:06: Consumer groups call on FTC to create clear guidance for ‘software tethering’

    1h 14m
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Every week, this podcast brings you the cybersecurity and privacy news you need, in a manner that's easy for anyone to understand and even entertaining! The host also interviews top industry leaders, to dig deeper into important topics and recent events. It all that weren't enough, the host also passes along top tips for defending your digital realm.

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