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Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

Tough Cookie Talks Jenna Jozefowski

    • Health & Fitness

Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

    The Intersectionality of Cowboy Carter with Ashantis Jones (Bonus Episode! Part 2)

    The Intersectionality of Cowboy Carter with Ashantis Jones (Bonus Episode! Part 2)

    This week we are BACK with another bonus episode with Ashantis Jones and we are talking all about Cowboy Carter--the new Beyonce´ album. This episode is part 2 of this mini-series--be sure to check out last week's episode first, if you missed it!


    Season 3 of the podcast will be back in a few weeks, but we couldn't wait to nerd out over this album. We took a deep dive into the intersectionality of Cowboy Carter, what we think Beyonce´ meant by certain lyrics, the social and political meaning behind it, the musical influences, and how it applies to everything we do here!

    Ashantis Jones (she/they) is a trained Master’s level Counselor, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, Group Fitness Instructor, and Coach that focuses on both the mind and body - both of which are equally important to one’s health. By using an intersectional approach, self-love becomes the tool that heals and educates. 

    Check out our Cowboy Carter inspired playlist on Apple Music or Spotify!



    Check out this Cowboy Carter curated collection on Tiktok⁠⁠



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    • 1 hr 21 min
    The Intersectionality of Cowboy Carter with Ashantis Jones (Bonus Episode! Part 1)

    The Intersectionality of Cowboy Carter with Ashantis Jones (Bonus Episode! Part 1)

    This week we are BACK with a bonus episode with Ashantis Jones and we are talking all about Cowboy Carter--the new Beyonce´ album.


    Season 3 of the podcast will be back in a few weeks, but we couldn't wait to nerd out over this album. We took a deep dive into the intersectionality of Cowboy Carter, what we think Beyonce´ meant by certain lyrics, the social and political meaning behind it, the musical influences, and how it applies to everything we do here!


    This episode goes into the first half of the album. We will be back with a part 2 soon!


    Ashantis Jones (she/they) is a trained Master’s level Counselor, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, Group Fitness Instructor, and Coach that focuses on both the mind and body - both of which are equally important to one’s health. By using an intersectional approach, self-love becomes the tool that heals and educates. 

    Check out our Cowboy Carter inspired playlist on ⁠Apple Music⁠ or ⁠Spotify!⁠

    Check out this Cowboy Carter curated collection on ⁠Tiktok⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Follow Ashantis on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Follow Ashantis on TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Work with Ashantis ⁠⁠⁠
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    • 1 hr 18 min
    Body Image Beyond the Basics with Summer Innanen (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    Body Image Beyond the Basics with Summer Innanen (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    I'm so excited for today's podcast guest, Summer Innanen! Her work was absolutely instrumental to my own journey in letting go of diet culture. Without her help in dealing with my own body image shit and her encouragement to start doing my own thing online, I would probably still be trying to make nacho cheese out of sweet potatoes and sending Jillian Michaels quotes to the people in my 6am bootcamp. I first heard her on a paleo podcast back in the day, believe it or not. LOL. Now you get to hear her on mine!
    Summer Innanen is a professionally trained coach specializing in body image, self-worth and confidence. She is the host of the podcast Eat The Rules and creator of You, On Fire – an online group coaching program dedicated to helping people get free from body shame. She also co-runs the Body Image Coach Certification program with Danni Adams to train professionals to be better equipped to work with clients around body image. She helps people all over the world to stop living behind the numbers on their scales through her private and group coaching at summerinnanen.com.
    On this episode we talk about:

    Where to even start when you're just getting started letting go of diet culture and trying to figure out how to finally accept your body as-is.
    Why it's important to dig deeper into systemic issues (AKA racism, transphobia, fat phobia, etc. etc.) when it comes to working on your own body image.
    Where to turn if you are actually bumping up against those systemic issues yourself, and how that can make body image work so hard.
    Why we need to stop using the words "I feel fat" and what to do instead.
    How to better support your clients in more marginalized bodies if you're a coach.
    SO man other important things.

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    • 49 min
    When Your Family Ditches Diet Culture With You: A Candid & Delightful Convo With My Sister Kristi (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    When Your Family Ditches Diet Culture With You: A Candid & Delightful Convo With My Sister Kristi (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    This week we have a VERY special guest. My ever so delightful little sister Kristi! I'm really lucky to have her in my life and talking to us this week, because I am one of the few people who is able to share similar views about diet culture with a family member. And we commiserate and banter OFTEN. So often that I decided that one of our text conversations needed to become a podcast episode ASAP.  It wasn't always this way though. As kids I was often jealous of her for being "the skinny one" and notoriously slapped her in the middle of Abercrombie & Fitch when she was upset that they sold out of her teeny tiny jeans size. Thankfully she has forgiven me and we are friends today.
    On this episode we talk about: 

    How my sister got on board with all the anti-diet culture stuff with and without my influence. 
    Letting go of labels when it comes to food rules (and everything else). 
    The next-level body image fuckery that shows up when you grow up as a dancer. 
    Dealing with the obnoxious comments people make about your body when you're pregnant and/or postpartum. 
    Why we both agree that your weight/body size is the least important thing about you. 
    How diet culture shows up in the medical field for my sister as a nurse, and what she wishes more healthcare professionals understood.
    Our experience trying to raise kids who are intuitive eaters (AKA how do they NOT eat the chocolate donut or lollipop??)
    Dealing with people in our lives who DON'T get it. 
    Lots of other super fun anecdotes about growing up in diet culture and finding our way out!

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    • 54 min
    Can We Stop Saying "Tone" "Sculpt" "Shape" & "Lift"? Busting Through Barre BS with Maya Bryant (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    Can We Stop Saying "Tone" "Sculpt" "Shape" & "Lift"? Busting Through Barre BS with Maya Bryant (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    Today I'm so excited to be talking with Maya Bryant! I originally connected with her on Instagram because as a fellow dancer, I LOVED the way she called out the b******t in the barre industry. One of my biggest pet peeves as a personal trainer with a dance background is seeing barre instructors online selling lies in the form of "the 4 best exercises for a thigh gap", because that's not how any of this works. Maya has the best way of calling it out without coming off as mean and in this episode, she brings light to the fact that many barre instructors don't look the way they do because of barre--they look that way because that's their natural body type!
    After dancing for 20 years, studying Exercise Science in undergrad, being beaten up by diet culture, and eventually falling into compulsive exercise and disordered eating, Maya sought to create something empowering in fitness. During her Master of Public Health Program, she created a workout program, Raise The Barre! Women are under immense pressure to maintain a certain body type that changes every decade and go on extreme diets and exercise plans to try and change their bodies. Those diets, they fail 95% of the time and weight regain happens within 1-5 years. Her research project showed that we can help women feel better in their bodies, without intentionally striving to change them because body image is internal work. In addition to Maya's professional work in Public Health policy, she is also the Founder and CEO of Barre Empowered. A fitness platform for Barre in an empowering way, without the toxic diet culture. At Barre Empowered, Maya helps women feel fierce and fit in their bodies, fall in love with fitness, and develop a life-giving wellness routine that inspires them for a lifetime. 
    On this episode we talk about:

    Her path from being a dancer stuck in disordered eating and exercise to
    How Maya got into barre, what she loves about it, and what really grinds her gears about the marketing?
    The biggest myths about barre that are being perpetuated and what she wants you to know is LIES.
    Red flags to look out for when choosing a barre class or following a barre instructor on social media.
    How Maya brings what she learned from getting her Masters in Public Health to her approach to fitness.
    What she wishes more fitpros (and the general population) understood about fitness from a public health perspective. 
    The amazing benefits you miss out on when you're overly focused on aesthetics.
    How she helps clients set goals to build themselves up, rather than tear themselves down.
    So much other good stuff!

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    • 42 min
    Your Science Means Nothing Without Empathy (An Open Letter To the Instagram Gym Bros) (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    Your Science Means Nothing Without Empathy (An Open Letter To the Instagram Gym Bros) (Best of Season 2 Replay)

    I get so tired of reading posts from Instagram gym bros who can tell you all about what the science says but have no concept of how that applies to the actual human beings they work with. Especially women. I've wanted to comment on their posts so many times, but I know they don't give AF. So I decided to record a podcast episode about it.

    On this episode we talk about:


    Why listening to your client's lived experience is just as important (if not more so) than understanding what the science says.
    Why we need more evidence based training and less dogma and misinformation AND the understanding that not every client we work with is going to fall neatly into the box of what "studies show".
    How many of the people who preach "CaLoRiEs In CaLoRiEs OuT bEcAuSe SciEnce!" fail to account for are things like what that calorie deficit feels like to live out in real life.
    Why we, as fitness professionals need to start unpacking our own assumptions about people's bodies and stop contributing to weight stigma by celebrating fat loss like it's the greatest thing a person could ever achieve.
    Unrealistic beauty standards, body dysmorphia, and how losing weight often doesn't make you feel as great as you think it will.
    The patriarchal b******t of it all.

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    • 25 min

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