Tough Cookie Talks

Jenna Jozefowski

Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

  1. 6 days ago

    What We Get Wrong About Body Positivity: Debating Jillian Michaels with Paula D. Atkinson

    Remember that time when a bunch of body positivity activists debated Jillian Michaels on Surrounded? Today we are talking to one who lived to tell the tale. Paula D. Atkinson is a queer, woo-woo desert witch and a liberation-focused psychotherapist. She has been working for almost two decades with those who suffer from disordered eating, food obsession, exercise addiction, and body hatred. Clients of all sizes and identities are treated with a weight neutral, anti-diet, body liberation approach. For many years she taught courses on the history of fat phobia, eating disorders and body fascism as a professor of Weight & Society at George Washington University. Paula also trains other professionals, clinics, and organizations in doing less harm in a thin-obsessed world. She has been interviewed for various articles and broadcasts, including NPR, podcasts, an episode of Jubilee’s Surrounded with Jillian Michaels (!!), and she co-hosts her own podcast that explores how psychotherapy can at times conspire with the systems that cause the majority of mental suffering. Paula is a second-generation yoga teacher, a psychic healer, an artist, an aspiring DJ, and a pretty constant writer. On this episode we talk about: How Paula found herself sitting across a table from Jillian Michaels. What it was really like to be a part of the infamous Jubilee/Surrounded debate.What she wishes she would have been able to say in the moment.What we get wrong when we talk about body positivity.Why we don't think anyone actually won that debate.Why applying nuance in all directions is so important.The flaws of MAHA.The intersections of thin worship & white supremacy/misogyny/colonialism/classism/fascism, etc. So many other good things! Work with Paula Follow Paula on Instagram Follow Paula on TikTok Follow Paula on Facebook Surrounded Episode ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

  2. 26 Jun

    Everything Hurts & I'm Dying: Why Your Body Feels So High Maintenance with Dr. Jen Hosler

    Dr. Jen Hosler is back today, because after regularly recording me mini podcast episodes in Voxer when we were working together, I knew there was even more good stuff she needed to share with you all. She has graciously listened to me whine for months about why my body needs special exercises, special shoes, special sleep, and special vitamins to get through my days without pain while other people seem to just get along fine without any of it. Today she is gracing us with her presence again! Dr. Jen is a physical therapist and strength coach dedicated to bridging the gap between fitness and rehab. With degrees in exercise science and physical therapy, combined with her own experience of chronic pain and injuries, Jen’s mission is to help people move better, build resilience, and achieve their goals without pain or limitations. She works with active people to overcome nagging injuries and movement restrictions and she mentors fitness & movement professionals to do the same for their clients. On this episode we talk about: Why your body feels so high maintenance.Why typical treatments don't seem to work for you. How hypermobility exists on a spectrum and how to know if you might be on it. The connections between hypermobility, neurodivergence, chronic pain, and living in a sensitive body. Interoception--and the wild reasons you might have a hard time decoding what your body is telling you. Allll the things that affect our experience of pain. Changing your relationship with pain by understanding your unique body better. What we wish more physical therapists (and other providers) did to help us manage injuries. Why living in a sensitive body might actually save you from unnecessary pain and mobility issues as you age.So many other good things!Work with Jen Follow Jen on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

  3. 28 May

    Matching Manicures, Mutual Aid, and Moving Your Body Through the Madness with Ashantis Jones

    Fan favorite guest Ashantis Jones is back today with the most random episode ever! Give it a listen if you wanna feel like you're out for coffee with your besties laughing your ass off so you don't cry. Ashantis Jones (she/they) is a weight-inclusive Licensed Therapist, Mental Health Coach, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, Group Fitness Instructor, and Educator. She supports individuals seeking mental health + fitness support and businesses seeking to create more efficient and equitable practices. Specialties include Body Image/Eating Disorder Recovery, Executive Functioning, and Navigating Systems of Oppression.The Wellness Financial Fund provides full or partial financial assistance for individuals seeking personal training and/or wellness consultations (coffee chats) from Ashantis. The fund prioritizes financial support for Black women, but anyone is eligible to request sponsorship. On this episode we talk about: Our matching manicures and the joys of a good press on. Hand modeling and whether or not my husband should start an "Only Hands" account where he empties the dishwasher for likes. Voter suppression & what we're gonna do about it. Mutual aid and doing what you can to help where you can. AI and having nightmares about data centers and plastic grass. How to support your mental and physical health with different types of movement. How to breathe through it all. Doing your part of the "group project".So many other good and random things!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Work with Ashantis Donate to the Wellness Financial Fund Follow Ashantis on Instagram Follow Ashantis on Threads Follow Ashantis on Patreon Body Kind Nutrition on Patreon Help Fight Voter Suppression ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

  4. 21 May

    An Unhinged Pep Talk About Skinny Influencers, "Toned" Arms, and Why I'm Not Buying Into Any It

    Today I'm back with an unhinged pep talk/rant about the onslaught of skinny everywhere. Listen up if you're feeling this too. On this episode we talk about: How we are being gaslit into believing that Demi Moore's arms are "toned" and Hillary Duff is the new face of "body positivity". How "strong not skinny" still isn't it--and why our "body positivity should have been intersectional all along. Skinny influencers & how mean they are. Why I don't blame anyone trying to lose weight or taking GLP-1's right now, but I DO blame the system. The connections between the body trend du jour and the way women's rights are under attack. How body types as trends is ridiculous, and also how body acceptance was easier when then trend was curvier. Coming back to your "why" when it comes to the desire for weight loss. Why I'm still not making assumptions about anyone's health based on their weight and size, even if they're freakishly skinny. How we did this shit already (especially as elder millennials) and how we can feel the pressure to conform and still choose not to go back. How chasing thinness at all costs robs us of our strength and power.The difference between taking care of ourselves and forcing our bodies into submission.Other podcast episodes and books you might wanna listen to as a reminder. So many other good things!⁠⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

  5. 7 May

    Did She "Let Herself Go?" Or Did She Let Herself HEAL?? Coming Back To Dance As A Grown Woman Who Eats Carbs and Lifts Weights

    Today I'm back and I'm talking about something that doesn't usually get a lot of air time on my podcast: dance! I hope you'll stick around even if you think it doesn't apply to you (it's all just different flavors of the same shit sandwich, really). On this episode we talk about: Why I'm excited to talk about dance right now and how it might apply to you even if you're not a dancer. Why I think I (and many other dancers I know) retired from performing too early.What I wish I had known about strength and mobility training and sports nutrition when I was dancing professionally. Ageism and sizeism in the dance world and how the body standards are different when you're an athlete/performer.Why we're not going back to the destructive shit we used to do to our bodies in the 90's and 2000's.How we, as the adults in the room can change the narrative around bodies for the future generation (in spite of skinnytok b******t).How much joy dance is bringing me as I come back to it at this stage of life and how I want that for you too (in whatever you do). So many other good things!⁠⁠⁠Work with me⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Register for my Adult Tap & Jazz classes in Arlington Heights Register for my Adult Tap class in Lake Forest ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Download Resistance Training⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow & tag me on Instagram⁠

Trailer

About

Tough Cookie Talks is a podcast we'll explore the intersection of fitness & anti-diet culture and all the gray areas in between. We'll let go of "shoulds" and judgment and dig into tough conversations with curiosity.

You Might Also Like