Cop 28 deal: will it really make us cut back on oil, gas and coal?

Almost 200 countries have agreed on a climate deal at Cop 28. For the first time, it pledges a transition away from fossil fuels but some countries are disappointed it doesn't say they'll be "phased out". The Times' Giles Coren and Times Radio's Ayesha Hazarika join Stig Abell and Aasmah Mir to discuss Cop, the government's victory on its Rwanda bill and if ultra-processed foods really are "hijacking children's taste buds".