Episode Eight: When The Grey Zone Becomes A War Zone

What happens when the grey zone becomes a war zone and what might future wars look like, with hypersonic missiles, artificial intelligence and cyber changing calculations?

These are questions Sky News journalist Deborah Haynes explores in this episode, in part, by looking at Russia’s annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

She also talks to General Sir Nick Carter, the head of Britain’s armed forces, about what he thinks is the gravest threat to the UK and about how the military is adapting to operate in the grey zone.

Guests:
General Sir Nick Carter, Chief of the Defence Staff
General Sir Richard Barrons, former head of Joint Command, now Strategic Command
Emine Dzhaparova , First Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine
Sergei Markov, political scientist and former member of the Russian parliament
Keir Giles, senior consulting fellow at Chatham House
Orysia Lutsevych, head and research fellow, Ukraine Forum, Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham House

Credits:
Written and narrated by Deborah Haynes
Edited and produced by Chris Scott
Production support from Sophia McBide and Michael Greenfield
The Head of Sky News Radio is Dave Terris