203: Fresh, product-led thinking for passionate People leaders with Jessica Zwaan

As Bloom has evolved to serve women in HR, Jessica Zwaan was the obvious choice for a podcast guest. She embodies many of the things that we don't dare to let ourselves be; bold, opinionated and exactly who she is.

That is how I know just how much you will get from this episode, without even asking.

It is literally packed with nuggets of inspiration. This episode is for you if you want to know about:

✳️ The fact that if you aren't getting feedback it doesn't mean there isn't any... you owe it to those around you to help them feel safe enough to give it to you

✳️ Helping us to truly understand what we mean by people as a product, and how we can lean into it as People people

✳️ The brilliant idea of redefining employees as a subscription model; how long they subscribe for is up to us!

✳️ How we can build honesty around how we measure performance in the workplace, and support everyone to win

There's also a brilliant interlude, baked in the middle of our conversation somewhere, but one that you won't want to miss. It helps with starting thinking of everything in life and work as an experiment.

Thank you for being here. If you have any feedback, comments or suggestions, I'd love to hear from you at ruth@ourtimetobloom.com.