Small Efforts - with Sean Sun and Andrew Askins

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Small Efforts - with Sean Sun and Andrew Askins

Two agency owners and friends talk about cybersecurity, design, and the continuous small efforts it takes to build a business.

  1. 5 DAYS AGO

    Black Hat deadline madness, AI-powered content tactics, and the auth provider dilemma

    Sean survives on 1.5 hours of sleep while juggling Black Hat submissions and client launches! 😴 Andrew discovers a new MetaMonster content strategy and shows off the new grid UI that's generating page titles and scoring them for engagement. Plus: should you delegate your therapy homework to Claude (hint: no), auth provider decision paralysis, and why internal linking breaks the table concept. Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:00.81SeanOh, you stopped. 00:03.40AndrewYeah, that would be the most obnoxious sound in the world. I was doing the, like, little kid exasperated sound. 00:10.45SeanYeah, yeah. What is that? What do you, what do you, how do you, like, what is the English phrase for that? 00:16.64Andrewhave no fucking clue. 00:17.80SeanIt's not like rolling your R's, but it's like blubbering. 00:21.54AndrewIt's like flapping your lips. I don't know. 00:23.97SeanI guess. 00:23.99AndrewI was doing this. Pfft. 00:26.94SeanThat's a thumbnail. 00:28.02AndrewOh, God. 00:28.21SeanThat's good. 00:28.89AndrewJesus. 00:32.72SeanThat's a good thumbnail. I'm going to have Jonah try that out. We'll see how it performs. 00:36.82AndrewTry what? 00:37.93SeanYou just blubbered. 00:40.08AndrewPlease no. 00:40.97SeanOkay. 00:43.70SeanHow you doing? how's how's How's it going? 00:48.00AndrewI'm good. I just pushed out a YouTube video, LinkedIn video for Metamonster. 00:54.94SeanNice. 00:55.68Andrewi I think this is maybe going to be a ah new tactic is I saw um like an SEO influencer type share something about how AI overviews really like structured schema. 01:12.35AndrewAnd so I was like, dope. I'm going to go write a prompt to create structured schema in the new MetaMonster UI, record myself doing it, tag this person in the post, 01:22.19SeanCool. 01:24.43SeanSick. 01:24.60Andrewand like shout them out in the video. And then did comment on my post. i don't yeah know They didn't share it or anything, but they commented on my post. 01:30.77SeanSick. 01:33.39AndrewAnd so that was kind of cool. And I'm like, I think this is probably a good tactic to follow is just like take the things that people are talking about and just record short videos showing how you can use MetaMonster to execute on them. 01:38.71SeanYeah, 100%. 01:47.17SeanYeah, all all of that makes perfect sense. that like 01:49.42AndrewYeah. 01:50.67Seanthat That feels like exactly what to do to grow Metamonster. 01:54.27AndrewYeah. Yeah. 01:55.81SeanIn fact, I would not be surprised if that was the way grew your user base to your first 500 to 1,000 this point. Yet, yet, to to ah thousand at this point so 02:06.85AndrewMaybe. i mean, no one is watching, like, our videos aren't getting any, yeah, any views. 02:09.98Seanyes yet yeah 02:12.87AndrewAnd, like, my like LinkedIn, most of the people liking my LinkedIn posts about Metamonster have been, like, my friends. So I haven't gotten, yeah. 02:22.08Seanyet yeah i think you need you need one you know ah ah you need like 02:26.86AndrewYeah, you need one to go viral-ish in the SEO world. And you need, yeah, I just need to stick with it and... 02:33.43Seanyeah plus i mean the content just gets reused so for the blog anyway or or the website anyway so yeah um i absolutely yeah but that sounds perfectly correct to me that's 02:45.76AndrewYeah. I also, um i so I recorded this one today with Screen Studio, was fun to play around with. I like some parts of it a lot. I found myself really wishing, though, that it would generate a transcript like Loom does. 02:59.46Andrewcan probably use, like, a transcript generator. I can just find something like that. But the reason is, i have gotten alex from like Lex like Lex.page set up pretty well. 03:12.97Andrewprobably do it in Claude too. But I've got it generating pretty good marketing emails based off of video transcripts. And so it's been like a really nice way to like just, you know, reuse content as I record the video. 03:30.97AndrewAnd then I upload the transcript to Lex and I have Lex generate a, generate a marketing email, I edit that email, and then I copy it over to loops and send it out to the Metamonster list. 03:47.74AndrewSo I've also been thinking about playing around with some of the automation tools to see if I could actually automate that whole flow. 03:50.05SeanCool. 03:56.02AndrewAnd it would still be, like, human in the loop because I want to edit it before it goes into loops. 04:00.35SeanYeah. 04:00.43AndrewBut, like, even if it created it as a draft in loops, I could then go to loops and edit it there. 04:04.58SeanYeah. 100%. 100. 04:08.89Seanhundred percent and 04:10.32AndrewSo... 04:12.64SeanYeah, 100%. um I always, well, okay. Sorry, 100%, you can do that. I always struggle with the idea of doing that because I feel like the time it takes to like do that is sometimes not worth the just doing it manually. I feel like I could be automating Okay, one of the things I could definitely be automating is sending you the link to this Zencaster thing. But every single every single time I do it, I'm like, yeah but it's just so easy to just make it. 04:42.92SeanAnd it's so much more work to go figure out how to do it in N8N and like increment the number by one. 04:48.73AndrewSuper fair. 04:50.98SeanWhich... 04:51.09AndrewThis is the classic problem with delegation in general, right? Whether it's automation or delegation, it's just you've got to get over that hump of it's easier to do it myself. 04:57.56SeanYeah. 05:00.78SeanYeah. Yeah. Well... Okay, well, that's that's a different way to think about it. That's kind of like death by a thousand. I'll do it myself until you can't do it yourself anymore. 05:12.62SeanI'm not going automate it. 05:12.73AndrewYeah. 05:13.46SeanIt's not going to happen. I'm just going to send you. 05:14.86AndrewYeah, I'm probably not going to automate this for a while either. 05:15.60SeanYeah. yeah cool okay uh on to another productive topic that we didn't talk about before the show but now i want to know last time we had a call or two times ago we were talking about uh that you were writing down the story of why you would be pushing something off and procrastinating 05:22.29AndrewOkay. 05:26.80AndrewYeah. 05:37.62AndrewOh, shit. You just made me realize ...

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  2. 6 JUN

    When Webflow goes down

    Pre-Black Hat crunch time hits Miscreants hard as brand audits pile up and Webflow goes down for half a day. Andrew's new MetaMonster grid shows AI's bipolar nature - brilliant one moment, baffling the next. 🤖 Plus: positioning challenges, category creation in the AI era, and why Poboy the cat makes a terrible hide-and-seek player. Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:01.03SeanWhat's up? 00:02.39AndrewYour energy is different after we hit record than it was before. 00:06.79SeanI know, I gotta turn it on I gotta turn on for the podcast. 00:10.99AndrewWhat's going on, man? 00:12.23SeanI can't believe we both just went like double peace signs on an audio podcast, by the way. 00:12.40Andrewyou're a 00:17.63AndrewWe have video now, Sean. 00:19.07SeanWe do, we do, and do. We have great intros. 00:20.91AndrewIf if somebody would ever approve the latest videos to go live, then we would have even more video. 00:27.34SeanYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. that sounds like That sounds like a job for someone. 00:33.60AndrewOh, hey, we have a new episode up. 00:34.09Seanand 00:36.53AndrewSomeone finally approved something. 00:36.57SeanYeah. Yeah. I'm working on it. 00:40.65AndrewAll right. 00:40.64SeanI'm doing it. It just sounds like a job for someone who doesn't have 30 hours of meetings a week right now. So... 00:46.70AndrewJesus Christ. Yeah, I'm not going to lie I've been trying to meet with you and JJ at the same time lately and trying to find overlap where neither of you has a meeting is almost impossible. 01:00.43Seanit is It is pretty much impossible. 01:00.69AndrewOh, boy, you sure you want to go out? Can we pause real quick? 01:05.95SeanYeah, sure. OK, we'll come back. No problem. 01:09.12AndrewThank you, thank you. Po'boy wanted out of the office, but also Wally, guy who works on our house, over. And so then Po'boy was immediately terrified and regretted his choice to leave the office and ran and hid under the covers of the bed. 01:26.62SeanGotcha. 01:27.14AndrewIt's pretty funny and kind of adorable. Like when our cat wants to hide from something, he just hides under the covers and it's like the most obvious lump in the entire world. So it's a completely ineffective hiding place, but he feels safe because he can't see anything. 01:42.68SeanLook, man, if I can't see you, you can't see me. That's how it works. 01:45.72AndrewHe's an adorable, dumb little fuckhead and I appreciate him. 01:46.52SeanThat's 01:52.19Seanthe... 01:53.48AndrewYeah. Yeah, yeah. Trying to get time on your calendar right now is tough. 01:58.27Seanyeah Yeah, same. Me too. It's like you start the day with yesterday's to-do list, you have a bunch of meetings, and you end the day with a new compounded to-do list, and then 02:11.16AndrewSo what's going on? I thought i thought you were like removing yourself from a lot of client work. And yeah, what are all these meetings? 02:18.30Seanah so i am ish but i also am not because it's pre-blackhat crunch time and i really have like i think i need to be there like to help you just get things across the finish line we launched a site last week we just launched a site that today we launched a site like the week before we're another monthly sprint to launch like two more sites 02:45.30SeanYeah. Plus every single client wants a brand audit because, you know, they work with us at the early stage. We built, we built them a brand. It works really well for the first phase and they all reach a point where like they need to advance it, which is fine. It's normal. It happens with every single client. They just all consolidated onto the same last couple of weeks. 03:07.59AndrewInteresting. 03:07.84SeanSo 03:08.03AndrewSo you're actually doing a brand audit of your own branding work? 03:11.43Seanyes. 03:12.20AndrewHuh. That's kind of cool. 03:13.24SeanYes. Yeah. Well, it's because like... 03:18.53AndrewSort of seems like a racket, but... 03:22.74SeanFair. Fair. I mean, it's not like we're charging for them. So it's part of the retainer. 03:26.12AndrewWait, why are you not charging for them? 03:27.78SeanIt's part of the retainer. It's part of... 03:29.03AndrewOh, okay, okay, okay, okay. 03:29.02SeanIt's, its you know... 03:30.39Andrewokay 03:30.35SeanYeah, yeah, yeah. 03:30.90AndrewYeah, yeah, yeah. 03:32.56SeanIt's like it's time to evolve. 03:33.04AndrewYou're charging for them, but you're not charging separately for them. 03:36.84SeanYeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. 03:37.60AndrewOkay. Okay. 03:38.75SeanSo it's like half a racket. No, it's, it's ah a you know, when you are in early stage company, you are asking for very specific things to get you up and running, right? 03:48.30AndrewYeah. 03:49.09Seanand And over, you know, a year or so as you grow, like, lore gets built about your company more meaning. 03:56.03AndrewHmm. 03:56.18SeanYour product changes, your content strategy changes, and all this sort of stuff. And, like, it at some point it evolves past that. what the branding that we did in the beginning can support and honestly what the branding they paid for can support, which is totally fine because it's like, you know, there's no reason that we start off and you pay us a bunch of money to do all this thinking about your brand for you to like possibly never even use it because you are still in that PMF stage, like finding PMF stage. 04:09.70AndrewMm-hmm. 04:25.49SeanBut yeah, a bunch of brand and and also competitors exist and the competitors copy you and it's like, and now, you know, At this point, we should just build invoices to some security companies because every time we do something, shows up on their site. 04:38.04SeanI'm just like, dude. 04:38.96AndrewDang. Shots fired. 04:41.55SeanYeah, yeah, yeah. 04:42.03AndrewYou to call names? 04:43.42SeanNo, absolutely not. No, security companies, we love you all oh equally. and But if you would like someone to just do, if you like work from the source, you might just, you know, hit us up. 04:54.89AndrewWe love the ones that pay us money more. I think that's fair to say. 04:58.44SeanYeah, that's fair. That's fair. We do love the ones that pay us money more. 05:03.82AndrewYou can buy our love. 05:03.86SeanYeah. 05:04.68AndrewYeah. 05:05.48

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  3. 3 JUN

    Chasing taxis in the Canadian wilderness

    Fresh from a techno festival, Andrew's planning an escape to Lion's Head National Park in Canada while working through therapy insights about procrastination. 🏕️ Plus he's thinking about how to reposition MetaMonster away from tools that might be seen as cheap. Meanwhile Sean's juggling multiple client launches and working on mapping the security operations of a bank to help other people on the Miscreants team understand what it's like to work in a security org. Also: Ferrari shots, cognitive distortions, and landing new clients! Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:01.05Andrewnot much got a got a new haircut went to a rave this weekend not really a rave the movement festival the like big techno festival that happens in detroit every year was this weekend so uh we last year went for the first time got a one day ticket one day is all my old man old man ass can handle so 00:04.76SeanYeah, what's fresh? How was that? Who did you see? 00:14.70SeanCool. 00:25.98SeanAre you a techno guy? Are you? 00:27.81AndrewNo, not really. I like house better than techno, but Detroit is the birthplace of techno. 00:28.71SeanOh, okay. Gotcha. I 00:34.22AndrewSo yeah. 00:35.31Seani didn't know that. And yeah also the birthplace of Eminem. 00:38.87AndrewAnd i'm a I'm a Detroit guy. So big Detroit guy. 00:40.85SeanYeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 00:44.76AndrewYeah, it was fun. 00:45.52SeanYeah. 00:46.53AndrewI could not tell you who we saw. I have no fucking clue what any of their names were. 00:50.17SeanOkay. 00:51.79Andrewi was just there vibing and dancing. 00:54.88SeanCool. you Did you partake like many techno folks tend to? 00:59.05AndrewNot this year. No. 01:00.38SeanI see. I see. 01:01.08AndrewNah, we were just... I had... I, you know, sipped on a few seltzers. Had a... 01:06.13SeanNice. 01:07.04AndrewHad a Ferrari shot before we left. 01:09.49SeanWhat is a Ferrari shot? 01:10.94AndrewA Ferrari shot is equal parts for Nett and Campari. For... Ari. 01:16.49SeanCool. like 01:17.37AndrewYeah. It's like... 01:20.58SeanDo you like Frenet? 01:20.71Andrewi feel... I don't know. 01:21.50SeanAre you a Frenet person? 01:24.71Andrewi 01:25.07SeanOh. Interesting. 01:25.68AndrewI want to be a Furnette person. i love Amari. And my cocktail nerd friends generally like Furnette. And it's a Furnette shot is called a bartender's handshake because it's apparently a big like industry thing where you're like, you know, start, start your shift or something with a shot of Furnette. 01:35.35SeanInteresting. 01:42.16SeanMm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 01:46.36AndrewAnd so I feel like, like that just sounds so cool. Like a bartender's handshake. Like that sounds so cool. And like, I'm never going to be a real bartender, but I can at least learn to like for net. 01:57.22AndrewI like it better. 01:57.21SeanOh, 01:59.49Andrewit it just, it can overpower things and tastes like toothpaste. So I like, I prefer it with other things. I really want to try the I found out the most popular cocktail in like Argentina is a for net and Coke. 02:17.32Seanoh interesting. 02:18.68AndrewSo yeah, it sounds really weird. 02:18.85SeanNow want 02:21.05AndrewI want to try it. 02:22.31Seanyeah i hear uh i hear fernet was like popular in sf for a bit it's a big sf people drink yeah yeah i don't mind it it's not bad yeah i would like to try fernet and diet coke that feels yeah well fernet diet coke break with the the cigarette 02:26.88AndrewI can see that. It seems like a SF hipster thing. 02:39.81AndrewYeah. Yeah. 02:44.25AndrewKind of like a Calimocho. Have you ever heard of that? 02:48.67SeanNo, no, you know more about cocktails than I do. 02:49.83AndrewCalimocho is like the... My friends in Spain told me it's like kind of a college kid drink, but it's red wine and Coke. 03:02.87SeanYou know what's really good that people are going to think is this guy? Red wine and Sprite. 03:07.24AndrewOh, yeah, yeah. They call that Tinto de Verano. Yeah. 03:09.90SeanOh, no, none of my ideas are original. 03:11.03AndrewYeah. 03:12.70SeanI see. 03:12.87AndrewYeah, red wine and either like some sort of citrus soda. 03:13.06SeanOkay. 03:16.34AndrewSo often it's like a sparkling lemonade or a Sprite or something like that. 03:17.18SeanHmm. 03:21.28AndrewIt's kind of like, you know, poor man's sangria. If you don't have like fruit and don't want to do a whole like put all the work into making a sangria, just have a Tinto de Verano. 03:25.45SeanYeah. 03:32.24SeanYeah. Nice. 03:34.34AndrewWe drank a bunch of them on the Camino. 03:34.38SeanCool. Speaking of the Camino, you're going on your next trip. 03:41.14Andrewyeah uh if i can get this fucking newsletter out then i will be leaving to go up to canada for a three-day backpacking trip with maddie at lion's head national park it looks beautiful it's like cliffs that are stick out it's a peninsula that sticks out into lake huron these like big cliffs and crystal clear water 03:50.95SeanNice. 03:53.69SeanCool. Cool, cool. 04:05.29AndrewBut the high is like 55 and it's supposed to be cloudy and like maybe rain a little bit. So little nervous, but really excited to be getting on trail. 04:10.79SeanOkay. 04:16.66AndrewI am like having a little bit of tech overload and 04:21.55SeanYeah, it was just i I was just saying to JJ other day that like Andrew's going to go on a trip any one of these days. like It's been a while. He hasn't hasn't left to to go touch grass in a minute. 04:34.22SeanYeah. 04:35.01Andrewyeah i've been craving it i was gonna try while i was uh in between miscreants projects i was gonna just take off in the middle of the week one week but the weather just wasn't cooperating the trail i wanted to do the two times that i looked to like get ready to go it was gonna be rainy the whole time and i was like fuck that rainy and cold so 04:45.46SeanNice. 04:54.89SeanNice. Nice. Well, glad you glad you get to do it now. 05:00.01AndrewYeah. One of my goals is five backpacking trips this year. 05:00.58Seanhope it's 05:03.05AndrewSo this is number one and we'll see if I can get all five. 05:04.06Seancool. OK. 05:09.80Se...

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  4. 22 MAY

    Pool tables, positioning, and people ops

    Andrew and Sean talk about hiring tools, positioning MetaMonster, and Andrew's struggles to increase his publishing velocity. Meanwhile, Sean is slammed with inbound after RSA, is putting project management systems in place for Margins, and just got a pool table!  Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/Apply to Miscreants: https://tally.so/r/nrWOlNFor more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:01.27SeanWhat's up? 00:02.35AndrewNot much, just digging through job applications for this senior product designer role. 00:07.89SeanYeah. Yeah. 00:09.34Andrewit 00:09.45SeanHow's that going? Do you like it? 00:10.30AndrewIt really makes me want to build an ATS. 00:12.75SeanYeah. 00:14.07Andrewi I looked at Home Run again, and 00:15.97SeanUh-huh. 00:20.47Andrewit's gone up to, like, their base price starts at, I think, $90 a month or something like that. and JJ has essentially built a, an Excel Google sheets, ATS, uh, which is solid. 00:34.46AndrewIt's, it's not bad at all. 00:34.71SeanMm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 00:36.55AndrewI think the email automation stuff she's been trying to do isn't working yet. then I have spent a chunk of today trying to figure out how to run a script inside of Google sheets that'll, 00:50.78Andrewintegrate with an AI detection API because so many of these applications are so clearly just copy and pasted from ChatGPT and not actual applications. 01:00.49SeanI see. I see. 01:02.97AndrewYeah. 01:03.27SeanYou can use GPT for sheets. 01:03.42AndrewWhich 01:06.08SeanAnd then... 01:07.03Andrewdo you think how how good is ChatGPT at detecting itself? 01:12.38SeanI think if you give it a rubric, it it's good. Because, like... 01:15.84AndrewI don't know if I know enough to give it a good rubric. 01:18.86Seancan give you my, like... You know, it's not a rubric. It's just like, hey, generate this blog post. Don't use these words. Don't use this phrasing. Don't... 01:27.51AndrewYeah, and you could try to kind of reverse that rubric. 01:30.27SeanYeah, yeah. 01:30.85AndrewYeah. 01:31.58SeanGod, that's funny. 01:33.39AndrewYeah. And, like, there's there's, like, a small part of me that is, like, well, you know, I don't... 01:35.17SeanYeah. 01:42.50AndrewI don't have a problem with you using ChatGPT to help you write your application. But if you're clearly just like, if it's 100% copy and pasted from ChatGPT, then I have no way of knowing if it's legit information or not, or if you're just completely bullshitting. 01:53.80SeanYeah. 01:58.15AndrewLike, I got several answers to the same question that seemed almost identical. 01:58.74SeanYeah. 02:04.19AndrewAnd I was like, hmm, okay, so this isn't a real life experience you had then probably. 02:08.60SeanYeah, I bet. That's so funny. I bet there's like apps now also like apply with AI like one click and then it just generates that stuff. 02:16.65AndrewOh, I'm sure there are. yeah Yeah, so I mean, I think part of it is... 02:20.17SeanHow would you build an ATS differently? Let's build a bit sauce. 02:27.31AndrewLike, I think it's an area where I would try to compete on price because ATS systems tend to be pretty fucking expensive. And so I think if you tried to be a fairly minimal, simple version that was at more of an entry level price, I think that's like step one. 02:43.52AndrewNow, the shitty part is to build even a simple ATS. You're basically building a CRM, an email marketing system, and a form builder all in one. and like kind of a website builder too. 02:54.26SeanYeah. Yeah. 02:56.31AndrewSo it's it's not a simple product. 02:59.09SeanHmm. 02:59.43AndrewSo I totally understand why they're expensive. But I still think ah ah most of that is sunk cost, not like ongoing cost. 03:10.24SeanYeah. Definitely 03:10.80AndrewI don't think they're that expensive to operate. Just you know there's a high barrier to entry to build you the base features you need. 03:14.24Seannot. 03:20.98SeanHmm. 03:22.20AndrewSo I think I'd do some of that. i think I would also, think it could be really interesting. Like I've always been interested in salary transparency and stuff like that. 03:31.98AndrewSo I think it could be interesting to try to do some like, try to talk people into doing some data sharing around salaries and stuff like that. 03:40.80SeanMm-hmm. 03:41.87Andrewon both sides of the equation. i think it would be cool to build in, know, some, I remember when we, I know, 03:52.68Andrewwhen we were trying to care about diversity, equity, and inclusion, and like learn about it, part of what people said you should do is like serve like conduct anonymous surveys to determine you know try to determine if there's what bias there is in your application process and like you know some people say you should hide names from applications and stuff like that and i yeah that kind of stuff 04:25.09SeanYou could do a lessannoyingATS.com. Yeah. 04:27.83AndrewYeah, like I think, and that kind of stuff was often hidden behind like really high enterprise prices. 04:28.44Seancome 04:33.54AndrewAnd so just making that stuff more widely available, offering good rubrics, like good default rubrics for like, here are good application questions. Like here's some templates you can choose from and here's a good rubric to like help you reduce bias in your process and doing some different stuff like that. 04:49.85Seanyeah 04:51.78Andrewthen just trying to make it balance that with also making it reasonably quick to eliminate people who clearly aren't a good fit and then like narrow your list down because those are the two kind of competing priorities for good hiring managers. is like On the one hand, you have a massive stack of applications to get through normally. 05:11.51AndrewAnd on the other hand, you want to be respectful of people and like you you want to get through those in a reasonable amount of time while also giving people their due. 05:15.57SeanMm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 05:21.64AndrewAnd so trying to walk that balance with thoughtful tools. 05:21.73Seanand 05:24.68Seanyeah maybe like hard filters and soft filters as you're going through applicants it'd be cool like you i mean if it's cheaper it's better for smb and then the templates make a lot of sense because i mean hiring is hard your first hundred times i'm pretty sure especially because there's differ...

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  5. 15 MAY

    Miscreants is growing fast! And Andrew is rebuilding MetaMonster

    Whoops! Our last recording got botched halfway through and only Andrew's audio was saved. So we recapped what we talked about in the last podcast and got into some new stuff in today's episode.  Sean is back from his busiest RSA yet and growing Miscreants like crazy! In fact, they're growing so fast that Andrew is hiring a full-time product designer to join the Miscreants team. Meanwhile Andrew is also rebuilding MetaMonster from the ground up (well, Austin is) and thinking about how to build products with AI at the core instead of just tacking it on. The guys talk about the Vercel AI SDK, the value of time in market when growing an agency, Sean's progress on his new Margins product, and more.  Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:00:01.81AndrewYo, so funny reason that I was late to this podcast recording. I was distracted trying to write a job description for the miscreants product designer role that we're trying to fill. 00:00:13.82Seanyeah. 00:00:17.66SeanThat's true. You want to write the other ones, by the way? trying to hire like three more roles at this point. Yeah. 00:00:24.94AndrewThat's nuts, man. Hey, actually, i was going to put in here. 00:00:26.23SeanI'm 00:00:28.46AndrewHow many people have you hired in the last year? 00:00:31.76SeanI don't fucking know. I don't know, man. I can't. 00:00:34.90AndrewIf you had to guess, like, give me give me a number. 00:00:37.42SeanIn the past year, 00:00:41.08Seanfive, six. 00:00:42.96AndrewI guess six. So I'm just going to leave it as six. 00:00:44.50SeanYeah. Okay. to fire Yeah, we've hired so many full-time. 00:00:50.71AndrewOr should I say, like, we've grown the team by 50% or something like that? 00:00:55.02SeanSure. Yeah, we've grown the team by 50%. It sounds way better. 00:00:58.97AndrewYeah. 00:00:58.92SeanWe've doubled in size. we're about to double the fucking team again at this point i think i like said on a call that jj heard where i was like yeah like we're trying to be like you know 25 30 people by the end of the year and she so yeah that was her reaction don't know 00:01:10.57AndrewYeah. 00:01:15.03AndrewI'm sorry. What? 00:01:19.88AndrewI wonder why. i wonder why your COO would be is shocked to hear you want to triple it in size by the end of the year. 00:01:27.88SeanYeah, yeah, but this was, you know, it's not triple in size. It's six times in size because just kind of said it 00:01:36.66Seanlast year. ah home or or like the beginning. I think I said in the beginning of the year. i mean, I don't know. Inbound has been good. Inbound has continued to be really good. 00:01:47.89SeanRSA was really good. So it just has kind of kept growing. and It was i was kind of said not in jest, but in hyperbole. 00:01:59.66SeanIt was hyperbolic. I feel a little less hyperbolic at the moment. 00:02:00.98AndrewYeah. I will say... 00:02:06.94AndrewI will say always thought that like 20 to 30 people would be kind of the perfect size for an agency because at least for us, it was big enough that we could have enough clients to that. 00:02:14.82SeanMm-hmm. 00:02:22.91AndrewLike if we lost a client or two, it wouldn't be like 20% of our revenue, 30% of our revenue. 00:02:27.42SeanYep. 00:02:28.04AndrewLike it would be a smaller chunk. It would be, 00:02:30.23SeanYeah. 00:02:30.70AndrewYou know, we could have a good manageable number of clients. It was still small enough that you wouldn't have a whole lot of process or red tape. It would still be pretty flexible, pretty collaborative. 00:02:40.12SeanYeah. 00:02:41.74Andrewand And also big enough that, like, if you lose an employee, like if ah if an employee takes a new job, you weren't losing, like, you know, when we sold Crit, we were six full-time people, 10 including part-time. 00:02:47.89SeanMm-hmm. 00:02:53.71AndrewAnd so if we lost one person, like one full-time person, that was, you know, 00:02:54.21SeanMm-hmm. 00:02:58.47SeanIt hurts. 00:02:59.71Andrew20% of our full-time workforce. 00:03:01.87SeanYeah. 00:03:03.66AndrewThat's brutal. 00:03:05.33SeanYeah. 00:03:06.87AndrewSo I do think that's a good size. Now, would you want to stop there? Because you are more ambitious than I am, probably. 00:03:14.82SeanI am i am greed personified. Yeah. I mean, when when the years started, i like one of the exercises I did with JJ was that we sort of mapped out what a 20-5 to 30-person agency would look like. 00:03:30.21AndrewYeah, I remember this. 00:03:30.53Seanyou know with yeah yeah and Yeah, I think maybe I showed you as well that org chart. 00:03:34.35AndrewYeah. 00:03:36.49SeanI mean, I think agency-wise, I'd probably stop there. I'm saying probably, i don't know, give it like six more months, I'll let you know. 00:03:46.79SeanI can't, i think i i I think I can't fathom like more. 00:03:51.38AndrewRunning a 50-person agency or something. 00:03:53.54SeanYeah, yeah, like that, like I can, I think at that point it's just, like, I 00:03:54.31AndrewYeah. 00:04:01.50Seani think, I mean the market is huge for sure. 00:04:06.89SeanI think I would just, I think my shiny objectpreneurism would just want to do other, like even in that 30, right? There was still like two people were doing merch. other There was like a developer on a product and I think those things would grow. 00:04:19.97SeanI think mysteries as a whole, I can see becoming larger and larger, but like pure client services, I don't know. I think it's, I think quality of work still matters and I still worry about getting too large in that way. 00:04:31.97AndrewIt's definitely like possible to scale while maintaining quality, but it is fucking hard. 00:04:36.95SeanYeah, I mean, we've won deals because people are unhappy with killer agencies because ultimately, you're large, even now, can't even now we can't like even now when a creator comes to us and they're like hey i only have like this much money to do it like like i have three thousand dollars to do something right it's like dude we can't like we can't take that but like at this point we'd rather just do it for you as a like here's a free creator program and like you know ultimately like you have to know that you're not going to get like 00:04:55.63AndrewMm-hmm. 00:05:11.23Seancreative director bends time on every single part of it, you're gonna get, it's gonna be a training project for ah junior. It's still gonna be go...

    1h 4m

  6. 25 APR

    You can just record things

    Andrew is in Atlanta visiting friends and continuing to think about how to best integrate more AI features into MetaMonster to make the product stickier. Sean had his first demo of Margins and... everything broke! But that's okay! Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:00.93SeanThis is a new background. Where are you? 00:07.44AndrewOh, you can tell how well my brain is working today. Good Lord. 00:11.24SeanYeah. 00:12.58Andrewi am staying with one of my college roommates in Atlanta. And after four years away from the South, my body has apparently completely forgotten how to function in a land of like pollen and pollinators. Every time I come to the South now, it's like the first three days I'm here. 00:30.46AndrewMy nose is just like, fuck you, dude. So... Yeah, that's where I am. Check out my sweete my suite setup. I've got my suitcase with a couple books on it. 00:38.71SeanAmazing. 00:41.60SeanAmazing. 00:42.00AndrewLittle, know, who needs a fancy stand-up desk when you've got a suitcase desk? 00:46.59SeanYeah. 00:49.28SeanYou can just record things. You can just do things. 00:52.52AndrewYou know, don't have the fancy mic today. 00:52.93SeanYeah. 00:55.88SeanYep. 00:56.28Andrewknow, the MacBook microphone is shockingly decent, maybe. 01:03.40SeanYeah, your audio level is better than mine for what it's worth. So maybe should just swap. Maybe I should just... Yeah. 01:11.52AndrewDude, it's all it's all an illusion. It's all just, like, stuff. 01:14.81SeanExactly. 01:16.03AndrewAnd you don't need the stuff to do things. You can just do the things without the stuff. 01:21.45SeanYeah. You just record it your vlog and on an iPhone and put on the internet. You might get a couple hundred thousand subscribers that way. 01:28.08AndrewWas it... 01:29.24SeanThat's the Jackie Cho way. 01:30.69AndrewI just heard the other day that... Dude, do you remember Call Me Maybe? 01:36.79AndrewThe song? The, like, pop song? 01:38.33SeanYeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. 01:40.12AndrewThat was recorded on a MacBook. 01:43.03SeanWhoa. 01:44.15AndrewBut yeah, that was recorded on a MacBook, like on iMovie. 01:44.89SeanThat's sick. That's I didn't know that. but That's crazy. 01:48.59AndrewIt was just like them holding a MacBook. 01:51.86SeanI think have you heard Here With Me by David? 01:58.63AndrewNo. 02:00.87AndrewUh-huh. 02:02.46SeanI think that guy did it on his like iPhone. With like an iPhone like digital audio workstation and just cut it up. 02:10.33AndrewThat's sick. 02:11.29SeanIt's pretty crazy. 02:12.11AndrewThat's wild. 02:12.22SeanI don't know. Kids these days, man. 02:14.27AndrewThere really are no excuses. Yeah. yeah I think we might have a little bit of lag. 02:18.70SeanYeah. 02:20.30AndrewIt feels like we're lagging a little bit. 02:22.62SeanOh, definitely. We definitely are lagging a little bit. Yeah. 02:25.65AndrewOkay. 02:26.21SeanOh, well, all right, if you're listening, we're sorry. 02:26.53AndrewWell. 02:29.21SeanWell, we'll do better. 02:29.98AndrewYeah. 02:30.48Seannot Not this week or next week. I'm traveling next week, so I will also have, I'll be on hotel Wi-Fi. 02:34.68AndrewYeah. Also... 02:39.24AndrewYeah. Zincaster's pretty good, though, at, like, cutting out pauses, so maybe there will be no lag to the user. 02:40.21SeanYeah. 02:45.18AndrewIt's just lag to us. 02:47.08SeanMaybe, yeah. 02:48.11AndrewUser, listener, what call this? Yeah. Okay. 02:51.26SeanI don't know, people, friends. 02:51.45AndrewAlright. What's going on with you? what's What's going on in Miscreants land? 02:56.98SeanI don't know, man. Giant tax bill. 03:00.15AndrewOh, yeah. 03:01.44SeanThat's... 03:01.85AndrewYeah. Sucks making money, huh? 03:03.93SeanI know. It's the worst. i 03:06.12Andrewthe 03:06.64SeanLife is so much easier. 03:06.85AndrewIt's so hard to be profitable. 03:08.97SeanYeah. yeah Especially if all of our profits just went into last year's taxes. No, it's it's it's like... 03:14.28Andrewnot all of your ta Not all of your profits went into last year's taxes. 03:17.34SeanAll all of our profit this year so far are paying off the taxes from last year. 03:24.24AndrewOkay, that's very different. This year so far is a quarter of the year. 03:26.02SeanFor sure. 03:28.38SeanFor sure. For sure. For sure. For sure. Yeah. and it's it's It's good. It's fine. We will just have more taxes to pay next year. And it'll just be this. 03:36.53AndrewYeah. 03:37.43SeanYeah. 03:38.44AndrewOkay, wait. 03:39.24AndrewControversial topic. 03:40.69SeanYeah. 03:41.17AndrewDo you pay estimated taxes? 03:43.81SeanI would like to. hi 03:46.39AndrewSo, no. 03:46.59SeanYeah. I would like to. We don't. 03:49.77AndrewI don't pay estimated taxes, and I don't currently have plans to start paying estimated taxes. 03:55.40Seanwhy don't you have like a don't you get fined i'm not a cpa i don't okay yeah yeah 03:56.97AndrewBecause... Yeah, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you pay a penalty if you don't pay estimated taxes, which kind of bullshit. 04:08.09AndrewLike... Okay, government, I'm not gonna go there. I don't wanna be the anti-tax guy. I actually think it's good to pay your taxes. I want the government to have money and exist, and I want social services to exist and national parks to exist. 04:21.30AndrewSo I don't wanna be the anti-tax guy. 04:22.12Seanagreed 04:24.51AndrewBut, you know, at the same time, as much as I want all of the national, you know, public services to exist, I also don't, like, love, like, giving the government an interest-free loan if I don't have to. Yeah. 04:39.67SeanRight, or getting fined for it if you don't. For sure. 04:42.19AndrewYeah, well, I'm fine with getting fined for it if I don't. that's i'm I mean, yeah I don't know. but But yeah, so basically my thought is the penalty that I pay is relatively small. 04:54.75SeanYeah. 04:55.56AndrewAnd I don't know what my income is going to be quarter...

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  7. 18 APR

    One week in

    Andrew and Sean have a bet to see who can write the best cold email copy for MetaMonster, and early results are in. Sean has a name and domain for his new product - Margins and is letting the Miscreants team handle the branding.  Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Margins: http://margins.so/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:01.15SeanWhat up, what up, what up? 00:02.64AndrewI got some stats for you. 00:04.12SeanYeah, tell me. Hit me. but yeah We should probably give some context first. 00:08.26AndrewAll right. So Thursday night, Wednesday night, Thursday night, Friday night, some night, there was a night last week when, I lured Sean into giving me a bunch of free consulting advice, in under the pretense of let's cowork and like work on things side by side. 00:11.90SeanI don't know. I can't remember. One of the nights. Uh-huh. 00:26.76AndrewAnd instead I just like for three hours was like, what do you think about this cold email idea? What do you think about this cold email idea? 00:34.37SeanWe co-worked. We co-worked on your cold emails. You didn't lie to me. 00:41.45AndrewFair, fair. I'll take it. I'll take it. So got some cold emails spun up. I knew this was something I wanted to do again now that the product was live. And it's early, early days, but i have, I've sent 200 emails. 00:57.98AndrewAnd so I have some early results and 01:00.84SeanDo we want to tell everyone what the five different emails were? 01:05.39AndrewYeah, I narrowed it down to four after day one. I just canceled. There were two that were almost identical. And so I just killed one of them. 01:12.61SeanOkay. 01:13.75AndrewProbably shouldn't have, but like I'm incredibly impatient and no, no, it wasn't one of the ones that affects your bets. 01:16.85SeanDoes it affect my bets? Oh, good, good, good. Sweet. That's what matters. 01:22.88AndrewOkay. 01:23.01SeanOkay, go. 01:24.34AndrewYeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got four cold email templates. going these are meta monster cold email templates if that isn't blatantly obvious first one is just like classic sales email the uh the subject line is ai powered screaming frog and then it's just like hey i built this thing do you want to demo it i want to sell it to you classic sales uh sales pitch second one 01:45.84SeanYep. Yep. 01:52.92Andrewis almost the exact same, only instead of presenting it as a sales pitch, presenting it as, hey, I'm looking for feedback, which is true. i At this stage, I just want feedback and information, especially on our pricing, which I want to talk about later. Third one is one of your ideas that you pitched me, which is kind of like Try to write... i think your your pitch was try to write your cold email like you're writing a newsletter. 02:25.14AndrewSo try to write it so that you're teaching the recipient something and then just also happen to be have to have this product that is connected to the thing you're teaching that you want but to try to sell. 02:39.34AndrewAnd then the the fourth one was more of like a... Classic kind of growth hacky play, which is, hey, I want to interview you for our blog. 02:55.21AndrewAnd so you and I placed a bet on this. Your bet, what did you bet? 02:57.76SeanYep. 02:59.95SeanSo I bet that the AI powered Screaming Frog, the first one, the traditional sales email would have the most opens because not because I believe in those, but because specifically AI powered Screaming Frog alternative is just a great subject header. 03:04.78AndrewYep. 03:07.11AndrewYep. 03:09.83AndrewYeah. 03:16.15Seanand then i also bet that the one that would bring you the most value quote unquote whatever that however we want to define that and is the newsletter one value isn't like you know someone actually demos most qualified leads basically you bet uh that the interview one would have the most opens and replies but the most valuable responses would come from the feedback yeah the feedback letter and whoever wins the other person to buy that the other person the up 03:23.39AndrewYes. Yeah. 03:37.69AndrewYes. 03:44.46SeanThe loser has to buy the winner on Chick-fil-A. 03:46.44AndrewYep. 03:47.24SeanSo the stakes are high. 03:47.32AndrewAll right. are you 03:48.38SeanIt depends. 03:48.87Andrewwhen are When are we cutting off the results, by the way? What's... 03:51.67SeanWhat are the results that? 03:54.65AndrewSo, currently, in fourth place in open rates, and tied for lowest response rate, I think. 04:03.73Andrewoh i There's an asterisk on response rates that I'll explain later. 04:06.58SeanOK. 04:09.17AndrewNewsletter. 04:10.39SeanOh, damn. 04:11.29AndrewBut all of these have gotten crazy good open rates for cold email. 04:16.19SeanOK. 04:16.80AndrewThat is the lowest open rate at a 42% open rate so far. 04:20.22SeanWhat's the highest? 04:21.26AndrewHighest, I'm sorry to say, is the interview. Is the interview request at a 62% open rate. 04:27.67Seanpretty good. 04:30.75Andrew62 is pretty damn good. No replies on that one, though. No replies, no clicks that I can tell. no No interest coming out of that. So my guess is people are, like, opening it and then going, this is some no-name company that's trying to, you know, sell me something. 04:45.44SeanRight, right. 04:46.35Andrewi don't care about this. 04:48.41SeanOkay. 04:48.85AndrewThat would be my guess. I have booked two demos. 04:57.58SeanOkay. 04:58.43AndrewAnd have gotten direct feedback on our pricing from a third person who may still has expressed interest in booking a third demo. 05:06.39SeanAnd this is from what? Which email? 05:08.61AndrewSo here's the thing. One of them I don't know. 05:12.15SeanOkay. 05:12.74AndrewWhich sounds dumb. It's like, how could you not know? It seems like instantly missed the tracking. And I have had a... damn hard time figuring out i know the email but i've had a damn hard time figuring out which version they got sent uh in instantly software i think maybe if i paid for their crm version i'd be able to like track all of the the activity in more detail but i'm not paying for their crm right now and so it's like it yeah 05:24.81SeanYeah. 05:30.07SeanGotcha. 05:36.24SeanProbably, yeah. 05:40.51Seanand Unless, unless Incidentally wants to sponsor us, because we're both users. 05:45.04AndrewTrue. 05:45.50SeanYeah. 05:46.06AndrewSo all I see ri...

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  8. 14 APR

    The MetaMonster launch, pricing, and naming a product

    Andrew just launched MetaMonster! Andrew and Sean dig into how the launch is going so far (spoiler alert: not great), whether the product is overpriced, and what to try next. Then the guys talk about the demo for Sean's new product and what to name it.  Links: Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskinsAndrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/MetaMonster: https://metamonster.ai/Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsunMiscreants: http://miscreants.com/Sean's website: https://seanqsun.com/For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/. Transcript:00:00:00.75SeanWelcome back. How is robotics? 00:00:02.92AndrewRobotics was good and bad. Bad good? Good bad? 00:00:07.35SeanOkay. 00:00:08.00AndrewSo we got our butts kicked. Like, plain out, got our butts kicked. 00:00:10.85SeanOh. 00:00:12.28AndrewWe got there. The robots were insanely good, all of them. We played well. Like, there's this crazy advanced stats thing in robotics. 00:00:22.25AndrewSome probably, like, 20-year-old or something. 00:00:22.12SeanYeah. 00:00:26.42Andrewbuilt a website called StatBotics that pulls the live data from... All the live data is published through the site called the Blue Alliance from every match. 00:00:36.61AndrewAnd he runs that through some sort of equation, statistical... 00:00:40.43SeanCool. 00:00:41.28Andrewthingy and creates he calls it EPA estimated points added which is supposed to because like robots always compete in teams of three and so EPA is like how much of your total score did you actually contribute to the the team estimated points added so anyway this is a long rambly way to say that like throughout the competition so we were 00:00:47.18SeanOK. 00:00:56.35SeanOh, what what does what does EPA stand for? 00:01:00.84SeanOK, OK, gotcha. OK. 00:01:09.00AndrewThere were 40 robots in on our field. 160 robots at the competition total, by the way. Four fields going simultaneously all right next to each other. So it's like pure chaos. It's wild. It's really fun and interesting and crazy. 00:01:22.28SeanYeah. Sweet. sweet 00:01:23.97AndrewWe go into the the weekend ranked top 20 in EPA, like maybe 17 or something like that. And our goal was to end up like around that range at the end of qualifiers like if we had ended up around that range gotten picked for playoffs we would have been a lock for worlds uh our epa stayed around that range like we were at one point as high as like 11 we finished 22 in epa and then like fluctuated kind of between that range so we were playing well our driver was driving well 00:02:00.39AndrewBut we just got our butts kicked in the actual matches. And EPA is definitely not perfect. It's not everything. like you know It has a bunch of obvious flaws. And so like you know just because our EPA was good didn't mean we were doing well. but But like we had some hiccups here and there. 00:02:12.63SeanYeah. 00:02:15.77AndrewBut like objectively, I think the team, like the kids drove well. I think they played well. But we ended up ranked out 40th. so we just got whooped we hit we won one match the entire weekend 00:02:25.28SeanDamn. 00:02:30.61SeanBut out of the top 40. Yeah. 00:02:34.09Andrewuh well top 160 like top 40 we there were 40 in our field 160 robots there total and most of the robots never play each other so you don't really know who the top 40 are 00:02:37.13Seanokay 00:02:46.33SeanI just meant like of the state. 00:02:48.19Seancause 00:02:48.29AndrewYeah. 00:02:48.68Seanbecause 00:02:49.17AndrewWe were top 160. sixty Again, what I'm saying is like, 160 the state. 00:02:51.79SeanYeah. 00:02:54.51Seangod i Got it, got it, got it. 00:02:55.25Andrewyeah 00:02:55.52SeanMakes sense. 00:02:57.41AndrewAnd so like that part sucked. like It sucked to lose a bunch of matches. it really You could tell it was like wearing on the kids. After a while, we had a little bit of drama that we had to work through with the team. like some you know you know it It was sort of getting to people, and it was causing some conflict and tension and stuff. 00:03:15.63AndrewBut the good side of it is we worked through all of that. We got our first win. We celebrated the heck out of that. 00:03:25.17AndrewCelebrated the heck out of the seniors, you know, just, you know, making it to states and their senior season and all of that. And then really cool on Saturday. 00:03:35.58AndrewSo that we didn't get picked for playoffs. so we just had Saturday to chill, which was honestly really nice and fun. And like, just got to spend a lot of time. Like the team got spend a lot of time bonding and hanging out and watching robots do cool robot shit. 00:03:49.53Andrewand then we were one of four teams who won an award called the rising all-stars award which is given to a team that is like has grown drastically and is on an upward trajectory which is exactly what we are and so that was really cool it was it was really cool to get that and so like 00:03:55.32SeanSick. I love it. 00:04:03.57Seanlove it 00:04:10.31AndrewFinal rankings in the state, which again are imperfect in the same way that stats are imperfect and all this stuff, but final ranking in the state, we finished 91st in the state out of like 600 teams. So still objectively an incredible season, drastically overperformed where we thought we were going to be, 00:04:29.92AndrewThe bar like just keeps getting raised every season. you know i think clearly our goal you know our goal for this season was to get to States. And now our goal for next season is pretty clearly get to Worlds. 00:04:43.00AndrewWhich is just a crazy thing to say. Because like four years ago, 2020 season, this team was down to one kid. 00:04:44.94SeanYeah, absolutely. 00:04:51.22AndrewAnd like barely getting a robot a functioning robot to competitions. Yeah. 00:04:55.84SeanYeah. 00:04:56.24AndrewAnd now we're like, no, we think we can realistically compete for Worlds within the next few years. 00:05:03.07SeanI mean, that's awesome. Like, I hope everyone is super proud of all all of that. So that's pretty sweet. 00:05:08.54AndrewYeah, I think they are. like Once they got over the initial losing streak, and then like we got the win, and then we got the award, and I think that the team was able to like feel really proud and really excited. 00:05:44.08SeanNice. 00:05:20.89AndrewAnd yeah, a bunch of the kids are like excited for the offseason. They want to take on offseason projects, and they're like really excited for next season. Some kids who we might have lost because they were going to other schools want to come back and be part of the team, even if they go to another school. So like vibes were really good, even if we objectively got our butts kicked. 00:05:44.94SeanWell, nice. Good job. Good job. Good stuff. 00:05:47.71An...

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