Even Tacos Fall Apart

MommaFoxFire
Podcast de Even Tacos Fall Apart

The "Even Tacos Fall Apart" talk show on twitch includes interviews with actual mental health professionals and conversations where real people talk about the messy side of mental illness, disabilities, wellness and life in general. My goal is to normalize mental health conversations and reduce the stigma around illnesses. We all struggle at different times in our lives, but that doesn't mean we're unlovable - after all, Tacos Fall Apart and WE STILL LOVE THOSE! mommafoxfire is a MH advocate and variety gaming streamer on Twitch: twitch.tv/mommafoxfire tacosfallapart.org Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

  1. Hypnotherapy & Rising From the Ashes with Deborah LeBlanc

    HACE 4 DÍAS

    Hypnotherapy & Rising From the Ashes with Deborah LeBlanc

    If you've ever felt stuck in grief, trauma, or stress and are curious about how hypnotherapy could help you unlock your inner strength, this episode with Deborah LeBlanc is for you. More info, resources & ways to connect: https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/deborah-leblanc In this episode of Even Tacos Fall Apart, MommaFoxFire interviews Deborah LeBlanc, a certified clinical hypnotherapist and NLP practitioner, to discuss the power of hypnotherapy and overcoming adversity. Deborah shares her extensive background, which includes working as the first female executive vice president in fuel transportation and starting her own logistics company before a series of personal tragedies led her to reevaluate her life. She endured the loss of her father, granddaughter, and two daughters in a short period. This profound grief ultimately pushed her to leave the corporate world and seek new meaning, leading her to hypnotherapy through a serendipitous Google search. Deborah explains her journey into becoming a certified clinical hypnotherapist and obtaining a degree in mind-body psychology. Through her personal experiences with loss and trauma, she found healing in hypnotherapy and now helps others overcome debilitating limiting beliefs. She emphasizes that hypnotherapy is not mind control, as often portrayed in media, but a therapeutic process that helps individuals access their subconscious minds to facilitate personal healing. During the interview, Deborah outlines the differences between hypnotherapy, stage hypnosis, and entertainment hypnosis. She makes clear that hypnotherapy requires a professional understanding of a client's mental health and personal struggles, contrasting it with the misconceptions surrounding hypnosis in popular culture. Deborah also details her process of writing custom hypnotherapy scripts tailored to individual clients based on their unique situations. She uses techniques like therapeutic imagery and chakra light therapy, which incorporate visual storytelling to help clients relax and address specific mental health challenges. Deborah shares her thoughts on grief, explaining how it has shaped her perspective on life. She describes how, after experiencing so much loss, she needed time to mourn in her own way before seeking professional help through antidepressants, which eventually helped her climb out of depression. Deborah advises those dealing with grief to practice self-care by doing even the smallest acts, like showering, for the people they’ve lost, emphasizing the importance of taking steps to stay healthy. Throughout the interview, Deborah highlights the importance of mental health awareness and reducing stigma. She encourages listeners to view mental illness as they would any other illness, such as diabetes or cancer, underscoring that mental health issues are real and treatable. Deborah talking about the various conditions hypnotherapy can help treat, from phobias and anxiety to smoking cessation and nail-biting. She also introduces her new book, "Make Shit Happen," covering topics such as unleashing personal power, decluttering life, and improving memory. Her message is one of hope, resilience, and the transformative power of hypnotherapy for those willing to engage in the process of healing. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    1 h y 31 min
  2. Tabletop RPGs as a Tool for Mental Health with Nate Lindberg & Conrad Audette

    10 SEPT

    Tabletop RPGs as a Tool for Mental Health with Nate Lindberg & Conrad Audette

    If you're curious about how tabletop role-playing games can help reframe self-understanding or provide a unique tool for coping with chronic illness, this episode is for you! More info & ways to connect: https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/nate-lindberg-conrad-audette In this episode of Even Tacos Fall Apart, guests Nate Lindberg and Conrad Audette explore how tabletop role-playing games (TTRPGs) can be used to foster self-understanding and serve as a therapeutic tool, particularly for those facing chronic illness. The conversation explores how the structure and storytelling aspects of TTRPGs help players reflect on their behaviors, explore new identities, and engage in socialization within a group setting. Nate and Conrad begin by discussing their focus on independent role-playing games like Goblinville, Kids on Bikes, and Clink, explaining how these games can serve therapeutic purposes, even if not originally designed with that intent. Nate highlights that different games address specific emotional or mental health needs. For example, Goblinville is particularly effective in helping people manage depression and anxiety, offering low-pressure activities like digging ditches in a make-believe world. These simple, structured tasks mimic the core ideas behind cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), where small, achievable goals help individuals move forward. The collaborative nature of these games also fosters social connection, a crucial aspect for individuals with chronic illness who may face isolation. Nate and Conrad talk about how players share stories, ask each other questions about their characters, and develop these narratives together, creating strong social bonds and a sense of community. The importance of these social dynamics is underscored by the way TTRPGs help players externalize their thoughts and feelings in a safe, creative environment. This often leads to reflective discussions about why characters acted a certain way, which translates into better self-awareness and emotional regulation in real life. They also touch on the flexibility of TTRPGs to adapt to different therapeutic settings. Conrad explains that games like RetroStar allow players to adjust the tone and seriousness of each session through "dials" that set the level of humor, seriousness, or special effects. This flexibility makes the games suitable for both lighthearted play and deeper therapeutic work, depending on the needs of the group. Nate and Conrad share insights about how TTRPGs can be especially useful in a therapeutic setting to explore personal identity. For example, by playing a character vastly different from oneself, such as a charismatic leader or a heroic figure, players are encouraged to step outside their comfort zones. This experience can lead to personal growth as they build confidence and learn new perspectives. The act of embodying a character provides a safe space to experiment with behaviors, which can help players deal with challenges in their personal lives. The episode wraps up with Nate and Conrad reflecting on the therapeutic potential of TTRPGs and their capacity to break down stigmas related to mental health. They emphasize that whether or not a game was designed with therapy in mind, the act of playing itself often leads to valuable psychological benefits, making TTRPGs a powerful tool for self-discovery and healing. This episode offers an insightful look into how games can go beyond entertainment to become a meaningful part of mental health care, especially for those living with chronic conditions. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    2 h y 5 min
  3. Therapy for the Educated: Pitfalls & Perils with Jessica Medina

    3 SEPT

    Therapy for the Educated: Pitfalls & Perils with Jessica Medina

    If you've ever felt dismissed or misunderstood in therapy because you're too educated or well-informed, this episode is for you—tune in to learn how to advocate for the care you deserve. https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/jessica-medina-6 In this episode of Even Tacos Fall Apart, MommaFoxFire interviews Jessica Medina, a licensed marriage and family therapist, about the challenges of therapy for highly educated clients. This was Jessica's sixth appearance on the podcast, where she shares her insights on a variety of mental health topics! The conversation begins with Jessica explaining what she considers a "highly smart and well-educated" client. She notes that while therapists are typically well-educated in their field, they may struggle with clients who are experts in other areas. She also highlights that clients who have done extensive personal research on their mental health conditions may be seen as difficult, which can create challenges for the therapeutic relationship. The conversation shifts to the common challenges therapists face when working with these clients. Jessica mentions the rigidity in some therapists' approaches, particularly those who are inflexible in their use of specific therapeutic techniques like CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) or DBT (Dialectical Behavior Therapy). She also discusses how therapists might refer out clients they find difficult or intimidating, sometimes due to their own feelings of inadequacy or imposter syndrome. Jessica shares her personal experience as a therapist seeking therapy, emphasizing how difficult it can be to find a therapist willing to work with another therapist. She points out that therapists may avoid working with peers due to the fear of being judged or challenged. This leads to a broader discussion about the potential harm therapy can cause, particularly when a therapist's approach or biases interfere with the client's needs. The conversation also touches on the ethical guidelines therapists must follow when terminating therapy with a client. Jessica explains that in California, therapists are required to provide at least three referrals if they are unable or unwilling to continue working with a client. She underscores the importance of handling these situations delicately, as unexpected termination can have significant negative effects on a client's mental health. Throughout the episode, Jessica and MommaFoxFire explore the importance of finding the right therapist and therapeutic approach. They discuss how therapy can unintentionally cause harm when therapists prioritize their theoretical frameworks over the individual needs of their clients. Jessica emphasizes the need for therapists to be flexible and client-centered in their approach. The episode concludes with Jessica reflecting on the emotional challenges of pregnancy and the lack of focus on maternal mental health. She expresses a desire for greater awareness and support for pregnant individuals, particularly regarding the mental health challenges they face both during and after pregnancy. Overall, this conversation highlights the complexities of therapy for educated clients, the potential pitfalls in the therapeutic relationship, and the importance of finding a therapist who truly understands and meets the client's needs. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    1 h y 32 min
  4. Vulnerable Storytelling, Journaling & Yoga with Katie Bean

    27 AGO

    Vulnerable Storytelling, Journaling & Yoga with Katie Bean

    This episode is a must-listen for anyone looking to embrace vulnerability, find clarity through journaling, and discover the mental health benefits of yoga in a way that’s real, relatable, and down to earth. More info, ways to connect & resources: https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/katie-bean In this episode of "Even Tacos Fall Apart," MommaFoxFire sits down with Katie Bean, a yoga teacher, writer, and advocate for mental health. The discussion centers around the power of vulnerable storytelling, the practice of journaling, and the healing benefits of yoga. Katie shares her journey into these practices and how they’ve shaped her approach to life and mental well-being. Katie begins by discussing her passion for storytelling, particularly the kind that involves deep vulnerability. She explains that sharing our stories—especially the messy, painful parts—can be a powerful tool for connection and healing. By opening up about our struggles, we invite others to do the same, creating a space where people feel less alone. Katie emphasizes the importance of embracing vulnerability, as it fosters genuine human connection and allows for a deeper understanding of ourselves and others. The conversation then shifts to journaling, a practice Katie has found invaluable in her personal growth and mental health journey. She describes journaling as a safe space to explore thoughts and feelings without judgment. It’s a way to process emotions, gain clarity, and document life’s ups and downs. For Katie, journaling is more than just writing; it’s a form of self-care and a method of storytelling that helps her navigate life’s challenges. She encourages listeners to start journaling, even if it feels uncomfortable at first, as it can lead to profound insights and personal breakthroughs. Katie also touches on the role of yoga in her life, particularly its connection to mental health. She shares that yoga is not just a physical practice but a holistic one that integrates mind, body, and spirit. Through yoga, Katie has learned to listen to her body, cultivate mindfulness, and find peace amidst chaos. She discusses how yoga has helped her manage anxiety and stress, offering tools to stay grounded and present. Katie also highlights the accessibility of yoga, noting that it’s a practice anyone can adopt, regardless of experience level or physical ability. Throughout the interview, Katie and MommaFoxFire discuss the intersection of these practices—storytelling, journaling, and yoga—and how they complement each other in the journey toward mental wellness. Katie reflects on her experiences leading workshops and retreats where she combines these elements to help others heal and grow. She talks about the importance of creating safe spaces for people to explore their emotions and share their stories without fear of judgment. Katie encourages listeners to embrace their vulnerabilities, start journaling, and consider incorporating yoga into their lives. She reminds us that healing is a journey, not a destination, and that by sharing our stories, we can inspire others to do the same. The episode leaves listeners with a sense of hope and empowerment, reinforcing the idea that even when life feels like it’s falling apart, there are tools and practices available to help us pick up the pieces and move forward with grace. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    1 h y 46 min
  5. ADHD, ASD & Habit Stacking with Jeremy Nagel

    20 AGO

    ADHD, ASD & Habit Stacking with Jeremy Nagel

    This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating ADHD, ASD, or just looking for practical, real-life strategies to build better habits and make life a little easier every day. Resources, info & ways to connect: https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/jeremy-nagel In this episode of Even Tacos Fall Apart, MommaFoxFire interviews Jeremy Nagel, a software developer and entrepreneur who has been diagnosed with both ADHD (Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder) and ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder). The conversation dives into Jeremy's experiences navigating life with these neurodiverse conditions and the strategies he has developed to manage the challenges they present. Jeremy begins by discussing his journey toward understanding his neurodiversity. Diagnosed with ADHD in his late twenties and ASD later on, Jeremy reflects on how these diagnoses provided clarity about many of his life experiences, particularly his struggles with focus, social interactions, and managing daily tasks. He emphasizes that while both conditions come with challenges, they also bring unique strengths, such as his ability to hyper-focus and his deep interest in niche topics. A significant portion of the discussion is devoted to the concept of habit stacking, a technique Jeremy uses to create and maintain productive routines. Habit stacking involves linking new habits to existing ones, making it easier to establish and sustain them. For example, Jeremy explains how he pairs his morning coffee ritual with reviewing his daily to-do list, helping him set a clear intention for the day. He notes that habit stacking has been particularly effective for him because it reduces the cognitive load required to build new habits—a crucial benefit for someone with ADHD. Jeremy also shares his insights on the importance of self-compassion and understanding in managing ADHD and ASD. He talks about the tendency for folks with ADHD to be hard on themselves when they struggle with tasks that seem easy for others, like maintaining focus or staying organized. He stresses that recognizing these difficulties as part of the condition, rather than personal failings, is key to developing effective coping strategies. The conversation touches on the overlap between ADHD and ASD, particularly in how both conditions can impact social interactions. Jeremy recounts experiences where his ASD made it challenging to pick up on social cues, leading to misunderstandings or feelings of isolation. However, he also highlights how understanding his neurodiversity has allowed him to navigate these situations with more confidence and less self-criticism. Towards the end of the interview, Jeremy discusses the role of technology in managing ADHD and ASD. He shares how tools like task management apps and time-blocking software have helped him stay on track and manage his workload more effectively. However, he cautions against over-reliance on technology, emphasizing the importance of balancing digital tools with offline strategies, such as mindfulness and physical exercise. Jeremy offers this advice for others living with ADHD and ASD: embrace your neurodiversity, experiment with different strategies until you find what works for you, and most importantly, be kind to yourself in the process. This conversation leaves listeners with a message of hope, reminding them that while neurodiversity can present challenges, it also comes with unique strengths that can be harnessed to lead a fulfilling and successful life. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    1 h y 31 min
  6. Spicy Self Help & Getting Around the Bullshit with Jodie Eckleberry-Hunt

    13 AGO

    Spicy Self Help & Getting Around the Bullshit with Jodie Eckleberry-Hunt

    If you're tired of self-help fluff and want real, no-nonsense advice on how to navigate life’s toughest challenges, this episode with Dr. Jodie Eckleberry-Hunt is a must-listen. Ways to connect, resources & more info - https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/jodie-eckleberry-hunt In this episode of Even Tacos Fall Apart, I had the pleasure of interviewing Dr. Jodie Eckleberry-Hunt, a licensed psychologist, board-certified health psychologist, and author known for her straightforward approach to self-help. Our conversation about "Spicy Self Help & Getting Around the Bullshit" dove into the often messy and frustrating world of self-improvement, focusing on how to cut through the noise and find real, actionable advice that works. Dr. Jodie has a reputation for being refreshingly honest and direct, which was evident throughout our discussion. She began by sharing her own frustrations with the self-help industry, noting that much of it is filled with vague platitudes and unrealistic promises. This is an industry that too often tells people what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear, which can lead to a cycle of disappointment and self-blame when things don’t work out as promised. We discussed the idea of "spicy self-help," a term Dr. Jodie uses to describe her approach. This style is all about being real with yourself, embracing tough love, and not being afraid to confront uncomfortable truths. Dr. Jodie emphasized that true growth comes from facing these truths head-on rather than sugarcoating them. She pointed out that while it’s important to be kind to yourself, it’s equally important to hold yourself accountable and to push through discomfort to achieve meaningful change. One of the key topics we covered was the importance of getting past the “bullshit” in the self-help world. Dr. Jodie explained that this means being critical of the advice you receive and learning to distinguish between what’s genuinely helpful and what’s just empty talk. She encouraged listeners to question the motivations behind the advice they encounter, whether it’s coming from a genuine desire to help or simply to sell a product. According to Dr. Jodie, it’s essential to seek out advice that is grounded in reality and backed by evidence, rather than being swayed by the latest trends or buzzwords. We also explored the concept of emotional resilience, which Dr. Jodie believes is crucial for navigating life’s challenges. She described emotional resilience as the ability to bounce back from setbacks and to keep going even when things get tough. Building this resilience, she said, involves learning how to manage your emotions effectively, setting realistic goals, and not being afraid to fail. Dr. Jodie stressed that failure is a natural part of the growth process and that it’s important to learn from it rather than be defeated by it. Our conversation wrapped up with Dr. Jodie offering practical tips for listeners looking to start their own journey of self-improvement. She advised starting small and focusing on one area of your life at a time, rather than trying to overhaul everything at once. She also emphasized the importance of self-compassion, reminding listeners that it’s okay to stumble and that the key is to keep moving forward. Overall, this was a candid and insightful discussion about the realities of self-help, offering listeners practical advice on how to cut through the noise and focus on what really matters. Dr. Jodie’s no-nonsense approach is a breath of fresh air in a world that often prefers to tiptoe around the truth, making this episode a must-listen for anyone serious about personal growth. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    1 h y 2 min
  7. Anxiety, Trauma, Sex & Intimacy with Allison Guilbault

    6 AGO

    Anxiety, Trauma, Sex & Intimacy with Allison Guilbault

    This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the complexities of anxiety, trauma & intimacy, offering valuable insights and practical advice on building healthier, more honest connections. More info, resources & ways to connect - https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/allison-guilbault In this episode of Even Tacos Fall Apart, MommaFoxFire had an enlightening conversation with Allison Guilbault, a licensed mental health professional, on the intricate topics of anxiety, trauma, sex & intimacy. Allison shared her expertise, offering valuable insights into how these elements intertwine and impact our lives. Allison began by distinguishing between stress and anxiety, clarifying that anxiety often stems from perceived rather than real threats. This differentiation is crucial as it helps individuals understand why they might react intensely to situations that aren't necessarily dangerous. She explained that our bodies often respond to these perceived threats as if they were real, triggering physical and emotional reactions similar to those caused by actual stressors. This response can be overwhelming and debilitating, making it important for individuals to recognize when their anxiety requires professional support. She further elaborated on the impact of trauma, describing it as an experience that can significantly disrupt one's life. Trauma can affect various aspects, including sleep, health and relationships. Allison emphasized that anyone who has gone through a traumatic experience should seek support, whether through therapy, support groups or other resources, to process their emotions and start healing. Her insights underline the importance of acknowledging and addressing trauma rather than ignoring or minimizing its effects. The conversation also explored the sensitive topic of how trauma and anxiety can affect sex and intimacy. Allison spoke candidly about the challenges faced by individuals who have experienced sexual trauma or religious trauma. These experiences can create barriers to sexual connection and intimacy, making it difficult for individuals to feel comfortable and safe with their partners. She stressed the importance of open communication in relationships, particularly regarding sexual preferences and desires. Many people struggle to articulate their needs and boundaries, which can lead to misunderstandings and dissatisfaction in their intimate relationships. Allison encouraged listeners to practice expressing their feelings and desires, which can foster a deeper understanding and connection with their partners. A key point in the discussion was the mind-body connection in relation to anxiety. Allison highlighted how anxiety often manifests physically, with symptoms like tension in the neck and shoulders, stomach discomfort or a general sense of unease. Recognizing these physical symptoms can be an important step in managing anxiety, as it helps individuals become more aware of how their mental state is affecting their body. This awareness can lead to more effective coping strategies and a better overall understanding of one's mental health. The conversation with Allison Guilbault was both enlightening and empowering, shedding light on the complexities of anxiety, trauma, sex and intimacy. Her expertise provided a nuanced perspective on these topics, offering practical advice and encouragement for those struggling with similar issues. Whether you're dealing with anxiety, processing trauma or navigating intimate relationships, Allison's insights offer a path toward understanding and healing. This episode provides listeners with the hope, strength and empowerment they need to navigate their own mental health journeys. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

    1 h y 29 min
  8. Music & Mental Health with Sean Gill

    30 JUL

    Music & Mental Health with Sean Gill

    If you've ever found solace in a song or wondered how creativity can aid mental health, this episode with musician Sean Gill is a must-listen for you. More info, ways to connect & resources - https://www.tacosfallapart.com/podcast-live-show/podcast-guests/sean-gill In this episode, MommaFoxFire interviews Sean Gill, a talented musician, about the powerful connection between music and mental health. Sean shares his personal journey with mental health struggles and how music has played a crucial role in his healing and growth. Sean explains how music has always been a significant part of his life, providing a creative outlet and a means of expression. However, it wasn’t until he faced his own mental health challenges that he truly began to understand the therapeutic potential of music. Growing up, Sean dealt with anxiety and depression, which intensified during his teenage years. He recalls feeling overwhelmed and unsure of how to cope with these emotions. Music became his refuge, offering a way to process and express feelings that he couldn’t articulate otherwise. Through songwriting and playing instruments, Sean found a sense of release and understanding. During the interview, Sean emphasizes the importance of creativity in mental health. He describes how creating music allows him to externalize his internal struggles, making them more manageable. This process of translating emotions into art not only helps him make sense of his experiences but also provides a form of catharsis. Sean notes that while not everyone might be a musician, finding a creative outlet—whether it’s painting, writing, or another form of art—can be incredibly beneficial for mental health. Sean also touches on the community aspect of music. Playing in bands and collaborating with other musicians has given him a sense of belonging and support. He recounts times when performing live and connecting with an audience provided an uplifting experience, reinforcing the idea that he was not alone in his struggles. The shared experience of music can foster connections and create a supportive environment, which is crucial for anyone dealing with mental health issues. One of the pivotal moments in Sean’s journey was seeking professional help. He talks about the stigma that often surrounds mental health, particularly in the music industry, and how it took him time to accept that he needed support. Therapy, combined with his musical practice, became a cornerstone of his recovery. Sean encourages listeners to seek help if they’re struggling, highlighting that it’s a sign of strength, not weakness. Throughout the interview, Sean and MommaFoxFire discuss the broader implications of music on mental health. They explore how listening to music can impact mood and emotional well-being. Sean shares his experience of curating playlists that help him navigate different emotional states, whether it’s calming anxiety or boosting his mood. He suggests that listeners experiment with creating their own playlists to see how different types of music affect them. Sean reflects on the ongoing nature of managing mental health. He acknowledges that while music has been incredibly healing, it’s part of a larger toolkit that includes therapy, exercise, and maintaining a supportive network. He expresses gratitude for the journey he’s been on and hopes that sharing his story will inspire others to find their own paths to healing. MommaFoxFire reiterates the importance of reducing stigma around mental health and encourages listeners to explore their own creative outlets as part of their mental health journey. This episode is a heartfelt exploration of the intersection between music and mental health, offering valuable perspectives and practical advice for anyone navigating similar struggles. Tune in to hear Sean’s full story and gain inspiration for using creativity as a tool for mental wellness. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/po

    1 h y 50 min

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The "Even Tacos Fall Apart" talk show on twitch includes interviews with actual mental health professionals and conversations where real people talk about the messy side of mental illness, disabilities, wellness and life in general. My goal is to normalize mental health conversations and reduce the stigma around illnesses. We all struggle at different times in our lives, but that doesn't mean we're unlovable - after all, Tacos Fall Apart and WE STILL LOVE THOSE! mommafoxfire is a MH advocate and variety gaming streamer on Twitch: twitch.tv/mommafoxfire tacosfallapart.org Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/mommafoxfire/support

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