The Leadership Podcast

Jan Rutherford and Jim Vaselopulos, experts on leadership development
The Leadership Podcast Podcast

We interview great leaders, review the books they read, and speak with highly influential authors who study them.

  1. 3 DAYS AGO

    The Mentally Strong Leader with Scott Mautz

    Scott Mautz, author of "The Mentally Strong Leader: Build the Habits to Productively Regulate Your Emotions, Thoughts, and Behaviors," defines and describes what it is to be a mentally strong leader. Scott defines mental strength as the ability to remain calm, in control, and intentional, contrasting it with signs of mental weakness. He emphasized the importance of managing emotions and being intentional in leadership, adapting flexibly to different situations. Throughout the discussion, Scott highlighted tools from his book aimed at improving leadership effectiveness and managing expectations. He also touched on the impact of coaching on mental strength development and navigating societal changes affecting workplace dynamics.     Key Takeaways [03:18] Scott revealed a surprising detail about his past: he did stand-up comedy in college and grad school for beer money, almost professionally. However, he chose to follow his passion for leadership instead of pursuing comedy full-time. Scott integrates humor into his leadership style, using it to lighten the mood, diffuse tension, and unite people. He believes that "the shortest distance between two people is laughter." [04:52] Scott discusses his book "The Mentally Strong Leader" defining mental strength as the ability to remain calm, in control, and intentional. He contrasts this with signs of mental weakness, emphasizing that lacking these qualities indicates low mental strength. [06:05] Scott explores how intentionality in leadership can be a delicate balance, noting that being overly intentional may lead to tone-deafness, while lacking intentionality can result in uninspired leadership. He emphasizes that mental strength includes managing emotions and approaching work with intention, adapting flexibly to meet the demands of different situations. [07:21] Scott identifies signs of mental weakness in leaders and defines mental strength as the capacity to manage emotions, thoughts, and behaviors effectively during challenges. He emphasizes self-awareness and self-regulation as crucial for leadership, impacting organizational outcomes. Jim adds that effective leaders balance being demanding and inspirational, setting clear expectations while promoting positivity and realism. Scott agrees, emphasizing tools from his book, "The Mentally Strong Leader," for effective expectation management. [15:48] Scott draws an analogy between mental muscles and physical muscles, akin to a workout regimen. His mental strength self-questionnaire offers a personalized score, highlighting strengths and areas for improvement in mental muscles such as boldness and decision-making. This tool supports leaders in maintaining balance and commitment to their mental strength development journey. [19:23] Jim queried Scott on the impact of coaching in developing mental strength, drawing a comparison to sports coaching. Scott suggested initiating with a mental strength self-assessment and employing scientifically grounded tools from his book. He advised revisiting progress after three months and seeking guidance from a coach or mentor if advancement slows down.  [21:54] Scott discussed his book's focus on emotions, thoughts, and behaviors, emphasizing the misconception about confidence and the role of doubt. He introduced the doubt continuum, stressing that managing doubt is key to genuine confidence. Scott warned against extremes like overconfidence and fear paralysis. Jan linked this to societal challenges of tribalism and asked about leadership balancing uniqueness and adaptability. Scott highlighted leadership as fostering more leaders through learning agility and embracing individuality while evolving. [25:47] Scott and Jim discussed how societal changes are impacting workplace dynamics, comparing these challenges to "adult puberty." Scott highlighted the importance of mental strength in today's career pressures, similar to emotional intelligence. Jim reflected on past generational work differences, n

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  2. 28 AUG

    GAIN Without Pain with Greg Hammer M.D.

    Dr. Greg Hammer retired professor at Stanford University School of Medicine, pediatric intensive care physician, pediatric anesthesiologist, mindfulness expert, and # 1 best selling author of “GAIN Without Pain.” Greg discussed the GAIN method (Gratitude, Acceptance, Intention, Non-Judgment) to promote happiness and mental strength through brain flexibility. He compared stoic philosophy with Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, emphasizing self-compassion and positive mental health habits. He also discussed non-judgment in coaching, focusing on empathy. Greg highlighted the importance of being present and listening actively. He explored faith's broader role in coping and happiness beyond specific religions.     Key Takeaways [03:02] Dr. Greg discussed why self-care is crucial for healthcare professionals, especially post-pandemic. He introduced his book, "Gain Without Pain: The Happiness Handbook for Healthcare Professionals," emphasizing resilience to prevent chronic stress. Dr. Greg explained the acute stress response and highlighted strategies for building resilience through self-care to maintain mental well-being in challenging times. [03:57] Dr. Greg explained the acute stress response, where the body releases adrenaline and cortisol in reaction to threats, a survival instinct from ancient times. In modern life, these responses can lead to chronic stress and health problems. He stressed the importance of resilience in managing stress effectively, given the constant stressors in today's world, to maintain long-term health and well-being. [10:13] Dr. Greg discussed the stellate ganglion block and cognitive behavioral therapy for stress relief. He introduced the GAIN method—Gratitude, Acceptance, Intention, Non-Judgment—as essential for happiness. Dr. Greg explained how these practices use neuroplasticity to rewire the brain, emphasizing gratitude for daily blessings, accepting life's challenges, and living intentionally in the present moment. He gave practical examples of each, showing how they can reduce suffering and strengthen mental resilience. [20:50] Dr. Greg compared stoic philosophy to cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT), noting their focus on controlling what's possible and letting go of what isn't. He questioned why people often neglect beneficial actions, attributing it to self-judgment and a tendency to feel undeserving of happiness. Dr. Greg highlighted the role of intentionality in changing these patterns, emphasizing techniques from CBT that promote self-compassion and positive mental health practices. [23:57] Dr. Greg and Jim discussed non-judgment in their coaching practice. They highlighted the difference between discerning behaviors and labeling people as good or bad. Dr. Greg shared insights from his meditation practice, emphasizing seeing oneself and others without judgment. [29:17] Dr. Greg reflected on his experiences as a pediatric intensive care physician, highlighting lessons in leadership and presence. He stressed the importance for physicians, especially younger ones, to prioritize presence and active listening, which he believes significantly impacts patient care and family satisfaction in critical situations. [32:58] Greg discussed the role of faith during tough times, agreeing that it's about believing in something bigger than ourselves, like a sense of interconnectedness or higher purpose, rather than specific religious labels. They highlight how this broader view of faith can help people cope and find happiness, emphasizing its universal relevance beyond individual beliefs. [35:34] Greg shares a story highlighting our tendency towards negativity bias and the need for self-compassion. They emphasize the potential of neuroplasticity to cultivate positivity and happiness. [40:58] And remember,  "Mindfulness helps you go home to the present. And every time you go there and recognize a condition of happiness that you have, happiness comes." - Thich Nhat Hanh   Quotable Quotes “Happines

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  3. 21 AUG

    Becoming a Self-Reliant Leader with Jan Rutherford

    Jan Rutherford, founder of Self Reliant Leadership®, takes a deep dive into the themes of self-reliance and leadership resilience. He shares insights from his collaboration with Jacquie Jordan, a co-author on his book “Becoming a Self-Reliant Leader: How Grit and Disciplined Duty Forge Indomitable Teams”. Jan explores the foundational principles of Self-Reliant Leadership: leading oneself, leading others, and leading the organization, stressing the continuous adaptation and refinement of these interrelated skills.  Jan shares personal insights from his background in Special Forces and leading wilderness expeditions, emphasizing the importance of solitude and reflection for effective leadership.  Jan highlights practical strategies for fostering resilience and adaptability in leaders, emphasizing the need for clear expectations, accountability, and effective communication within teams.  Jan reflects on his journey as a leader, acknowledging the challenges and transformations he's experienced. He emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and facing one's own hypocrisy in leadership, a concept inspired by one of his mentors.      Key Takeaways [03:36] Jan Rutherford, founder of Self Reliant Leadership, discusses the importance of self-reliance in leadership. Inspired by the book "My Side of the Mountain" as a child, Jan learned the value of self-sufficiency. A challenging experience during special forces training further solidified his belief. Leaders, according to Jan, need to be well-rounded individuals taking care of themselves mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. This self-reliance allows them to make tough decisions and lead effectively even in difficult situations. However, Jan also emphasizes the importance of relying on others for help when needed. [07:26] Self-reliance is a core concept for Jan's leadership philosophy. It translates into three pillars: leading self (taking responsibility), leading others (setting expectations), and leading the organization (alignment and focus). Jan emphasizes the importance of constantly reflecting and adapting these principles. He uses an analogy of climbing a summit - preparation, teamwork, and a clear vision are all crucial for success. Jan also shared a story from a past expedition where nervousness manifested as humor. [12:31] Jan also talks about what leaders can do to foster greater resilience and adaptability in themselves.  [14:32] Jan talks about effective leadership communication. Leaders should set clear expectations and solicit feedback to improve performance. Negotiation is key to gaining commitment from employees. Leaders should also understand the importance of balancing tasks with building relationships with their teams. [20:55] Jan discusses the challenges of personalized leadership. Leaders need to tailor their approach to individual employees while still maintaining fairness. Effective leaders should spend more time developing individual relationships with their team members. [22:22] Jan discusses how to handle HR policies that restrict personalized leadership approaches. The leader is advised to push back on HR and use their power to implement what they believe is best for their team. [24:35] Jan discusses the importance of self-awareness in leadership. He also talks about the challenges of modern leadership and the importance of helping people find purpose and meaning in their work.Jan also shares how having a co-author of his book, Jackie Jordan, brought a valuable outsider's perspective to the project.  [35:40] Say nothing which is not true, nothing which is not kind, nothing which is not useful, and nothing which is not necessary. - W. S. Darley   Quotable Quotes “You gotta get up on the hill. You know, we are not paid to be busy. We got to get some alone time and reflect and figure things out.” “If you’re not squared away, if you’re not self reliant, you can’t lead. Because when it’s your turn to lead, you’ve g

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  4. 14 AUG

    Powerful Phrases for Dealing with Workplace Conflict with Karin Hurt

    Karin Hurt, founder and CEO of Let's Grow Leaders and author of "Powerful Phrases for Dealing with Workplace Conflict," discusses the impact of post-pandemic stress on workplace dynamics. She highlights rising conflict levels based on global surveys, leading to reduced innovation and retention.  Karin introduces her book's "GOAT Phrases" (Greatest Of All Time) - 12 powerful phrases that can be used for effective conflict resolution, focusing on connection, clarity, curiosity, and commitment.  She advises on recognizing when to disengage from conflicts and choosing suitable communication methods. Karin discusses team-building strategies, including mock presidential debates, and distinguishes between organizational and interpersonal conflicts. She emphasizes addressing conflicts within broader organizational contexts and using structured approaches like the "Inspire Method" for accountability conversations.    Key Takeaways [01:42] Karin talks about her new book, "Powerful Phrases for Dealing with Workplace Conflict," is available now. Karin shares an interesting tidbit from her past as a "madrigal singer," a form of Renaissance choral music requiring high collaboration. Additionally, she recounts a remarkable experience of being struck by lightning at age 20, which she humorously attributes to her high energy levels. Karin’s insights into leadership and her unique experiences promise a fascinating discussion. [05:21] Karin discusses the importance of effective communication in resolving workplace conflicts. She highlights the challenges of negative work relationships and the research on the rise of conflict after the pandemic. She introduces the concept of "conflict cocktails" which include factors like post-pandemic stress and unclear expectations. Karin also explores the concept of "GOAT" phrases, which are the greatest of all time powerful phrases for conflict resolution. These phrases focus on four dimensions: connection, clarity, curiosity, and commitment. [10:48] Karin dives into the power of phrasing in communication. While words themselves only make up 7% of the impact, phrasing can significantly influence how our message is received. Karin emphasizes that even the most powerful phrases won't work if nonverbal cues contradict the message. Body language and tone are crucial for effective communication. Her book offers specific phrases but acknowledges the importance of adapting them to the situation and remaining open to the conversation. [13:07] Karin shares her insight about David Brooks' book "How to Know a Person" emphasizes the importance of adaptation and overcoming limitations to be successful. This aligns with the executive coaching principle that "what got you here won't get you there." She discusses how to deliver critical feedback effectively using phrases that build connection and curiosity, avoiding accusatory labels that shut down conversations. [15:05] Karin discusses how to move people from complaining to solutions. The key is to understand what the person really wants and to empower them to take control. An example is given of a woman who felt stuck in a corporate culture but was encouraged to focus on her own agency and influence. She also highlights the importance of veterans and the US military.  [19:10] Karin explores the challenging topic of when to recognize and quit a conflict. She reflects on the realization that some conflicts are unresolvable or not worth resolving. Karin suggests evaluating personal well-being and values alignment when deciding whether to continue or disengage from a conflict. She shares poignant examples, including a nurse's decision to leave a toxic work environment despite initial doubts, highlighting the necessity of prioritizing mental health and values alignment in conflict resolution strategies. [22:59] Karin discusses thresholds in workplace conflict, highlighting how remote work has affected communication dynamics. She stresses the importance of choosing ap

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  5. 7 AUG

    Real-Life Wisdom for Frontline Leaders with Monica Rothgery

    Monica Rothgery, author of "Lessons from the Drive-Thru: Real-Life Wisdom for Frontline Leaders,” discusses her journey from being an Army officer to becoming the first female COO of KFC US. She shares insights from her career, emphasizing the importance of frontline leaders in shaping a business's success.  She also highlights the challenges faced by frontline managers, the value of genuine investment in team members, and the lessons learned from her time managing a Taco Bell in Chicago and leading operations in Thailand. She underscores the necessity of adaptability, empathy, and leveraging personal uniqueness to inspire and lead effectively.    Key Takeaways [02:53] Monica discusses her career milestones, including her time as a quartermaster officer and her 30-year tenure at Taco Bell. She also explains her advocacy for frontline leaders and the importance of their roles. [08:03] Monica shares her initial mistakes in leadership and how she learned to engage and care for her team. She also mentioned the importance of genuine investment in team members and understanding their needs. [14:15] She discusses the importance of engaging and empowering frontline leaders. Her belief that engagement starts with the individual and is an inside job. [18:15] Monica discusses the role of frontline leaders in shaping the future workforce and the importance of their development. Monica discusses the impact of AI and robotics on frontline jobs and the need for companies to unlock the potential of each leader and focus on their specific roles. [27:56] She also emphasizes the importance of developing skills to adapt to technological advancements in the workplace. Monica's advices the young workers and aspiring leaders on finding purpose and meaning in their work. She also mentioned the significance of the first boss in shaping an individual's career and work ethic. [33:56] Closing quote: Remember, “I don't fear that a man will wear out as quickly as he will rust out.” —  Colonel Sanders   Quotable Quotes "Be yourself. Find your place where you're welcomed, where you're supported, where you can thrive."​ “It's about understanding what motivates people and then using their strengths to find ways to leverage them in the workplace."​ "Frontline leaders have some of the most important leadership jobs in every country.” “Make a list of all the momentary benefactors in your life and express some gratitude for them.” "The spotlight has to be on the team." “It's just tough to find the people to keep a restaurant open. I think that's a huge challenge.”  “One thing that companies have to do is unlock the potential of each leader.” "The parent's job is to instill confidence, teach the kid how to maybe go to an interview, equip that child to go out into the world as a self-sufficient functioning member of society".​  “I don't fear that a man will wear out as quickly as he will rust out.” —  Colonel Sanders   These are the books mentioned in our discussion with Monica   Resources Mentioned The Leadership Podcast | Sponsored by | Rafti Advisors. LLC | Self-Reliant Leadership. LLC | Monica Rothgery’s LinkedIn | Monica Rothgery’s Website | Monica Rothgery’s Twitter |

    35 min
  6. 31 JUL

    The Gift of Meritocracy with Shawn Dawley

    Shawn Dawley, an executive and former combat pilot, dedicated 25 years to military service, visiting 80 countries across six continents. He holds a bachelor's degree in aeronautics and master's degrees in business, political science, and military studies. Overcoming a challenging childhood, he excelled in the Air Force, demonstrating that leadership potential can emerge from any background.  Shawn champions the importance of critical thinking, empathy, and trust in both military and business leadership. He believes that corporate structures should not overshadow the human element of leadership and stresses the significance of investing in people, developing future leaders, and fostering a growth-oriented culture.  As a speaker, Shawn has evolved from struggling with public speaking to offering insights on authenticity, emotional intelligence, and the neuroscience of decision-making.     Key Takeaways [02:39] Shawn, a leadership speaker and coach, shared a story about his childhood which was difficult due to death and abandonment. Despite this, he enlisted in the Air Force at 17 and found success through hard work. He credits the Air Force for providing him with the opportunity to succeed and for shaping his leadership skills. One of the most important lessons he learned in the military is the importance of objective, critical thinking. This skill has been essential for his success in the corporate world and other aspects of his life. [08:24] Shawn discusses leadership in the military vs business world. He argues that despite some key differences, both require leading people. He emphasizes the importance of human connection and empathy in leadership, regardless of the field. Shawn also highlights the difference in leadership development between the military and business. The military actively trains leaders, while businesses often neglect this crucial aspect. Shawn believes investing in people is the most important responsibility of a leader, and that building a strong team ensures a smooth transition when leaders move on. [14:45] Shawn  discusses his journey to becoming a successful public speaker. He emphasizes that public speaking is a skill that can be learned and improved through practice. He highlights the importance of preparation and spending quality time crafting a speech. Shawn also talks about building the business model around his public speaking career. He acknowledges the challenges of starting out and the importance of persistence. He credits mentors for helping him with the business aspects. [19:47] Shawn discusses a common problem leaders face: spending too much time on administrative tasks. He argues that leaders should delegate these tasks to free themselves up for strategic thinking. According to Shawn, the most important thing leaders should do is integrate. This involves looking across the entire organization and considering external factors like regulations and competition. Leaders need to be freed from administrative duties to focus on this crucial role. [24:20] Shawn argues that our brains are wired to feel before we think. This can be helpful in situations requiring a quick response, but it can also lead to emotional reactions in the workplace. Shawn suggests that leaders should acknowledge this neurological reality and focus on helping employees manage their emotions. He believes creating opportunities for employees to learn from their mistakes can be a valuable tool for growth. [31:52] Shawn discusses transitioning from military to civilian life. He argues that the key to a successful transition is avoiding comparisons to the previous role. Instead, one should focus on appreciating the new role for what it is and finding value in the new situation. Shawn also emphasizes the importance of emotional buy-in during transitions. Even if a transition plan seems logical on paper, people won't feel settled unless they trust the change and believe in its purpose. [35:34] Shawn argues that there are

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  7. 24 JUL

    Leadership Lessons from the Top 8 U.S. Presidents with Talmage Boston

    Talmage Boston is a lawyer, historian, and the author of the captivating new book "How the Best Did It: Leadership Lessons from Our Top Presidents." For the past 15 years, Talmage has balanced his legal career with a fervent passion for history. By dedicating his mornings to historical research before donning his lawyer hat, he has become an expert on the most influential figures in American history: the U.S. presidents. In his book, Talmage unveils the hidden traits that separate great presidents from the merely good. He explores the power of persuasion, the importance of self-awareness, and the art of targeting messages to the vast American middle ground. Discover surprising insights, such as which presidents excelled at one-on-one interactions and which ones captivated large crowds.   Key Takeaways [03:36] Talmage discusses his lifelong passion for history and discusses his new book "How the Best Did It." The book examines leadership traits of eight US presidents and is aimed to be applicable in daily lives. Three key traits for successful presidents are persuasion, self-awareness, and targeting messages to the moderate majority. [12:01] We discuss the power of self-influence and share a compelling story about Stephen Ambrose and Dwight Eisenhower. [16:05] We discuss the role of crisis in shaping presidential legacies. While crises can provide opportunities for presidents to showcase their leadership, it's not a requirement for greatness. Theodore Roosevelt is an example of a highly regarded president who expanded the office's influence without facing a major crisis. We also explore how different presidents handled crisis.  [22:05] We discuss the importance of acknowledging both the strengths and weaknesses of historical figures.  Learning about the flaws of presidents like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan can help us understand their accomplishments in context. We also explore the role of first ladies in presidential history. Ronald Reagan's wife Nancy is highlighted as a unique case of a first lady who played a significant and influential role in her husband's presidency. [28:45] We e explore how great presidents restore optimism in America, vital for national confidence and progress. Leaders like Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy, and Reagan balanced ambitious goals with realistic actions, inspiring people to believe in a brighter future. We contrast this with presidents who struggled to instill confidence, underscoring the impact of leadership on national morale.  [33:15] We reflect on the responsibility of leadership and the sacrifices necessary for politicians to serve effectively. Discussing insights from Sebastian Junger's book "Freedom," we highlight the reluctance of many capable individuals to enter politics despite their potential to lead. Guests like John Avalon and Nikki Haley, both seasoned in public service, exemplify the need for courageous leaders willing to navigate the challenges of misinformation and political scrutiny. Drawing on James Baker's metaphor of catching javelins for President Reagan, we emphasize the importance of a capable team to support and guide leaders through the complexities of national governance. [35:59] We delve into the search for common ground in a divided America. Reflecting on recent events like the eclipse and the unifying power of sports, Jim and I discuss what it will take to bridge our nation's divides. We explore ideas from leaders like Stan McChrystal who advocate for national service as a unifying force beyond politics. We ponder whether future leaders can rise above today's partisan rhetoric to focus on effective governance and genuine dialogue.  [40:53]  And remember, those who do not remember the past are contempt to repeat it. - George Santayana   Quotable Quotes "They all had great self awareness, and that means they knew their strengths, and they

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  8. 17 JUL

    The Importance of Human Distinctiveness with Todd Rose

    Todd Rose is the co-founder and CEO of  Populace, and founder of the Laboratory for the Science of Individuality. Todd is also a bestselling author of "Collective Illusions," "Dark Horse," and "The End of Average."  Todd explains how the abandonment of human distinctiveness during the industrial age has left a lasting impact on our potential and fulfillment. He emphasizes that true individuality is crucial for cultivating personal potential and living fulfilling lives.  He explores the tension between individualism and collectivism, asserting that individuality should not be mistaken for selfishness. He then shifts to the challenges leaders face in balancing fairness and personalization. Todd highlights the importance of autonomy in realizing individuality and cautions against the authoritarian potential of individuality without autonomy.  Todd expresses concerns about the potential for a divided education system where some students are trained as cogs in the machine while others are nurtured to develop their individuality and agency. Todd talks about his Dark Horse Project, which explores how people achieve fulfillment and excellence by following their unique paths.       Key Takeaways [03:30] Todd discussed why individuality is central to his work and the importance of human distinctiveness and its impact on potential and fulfillment. He also compared standardization to personalization in various fields.  [06:03] Todd emphasizes the impact of the Industrial Age on individuality, psychological drives for categorization versus self-expression, and a critique of Frederick Taylor's scientific management and its effects in relation to societal transformation, human identity, and labor efficiency during the industrial revolution. [07:28] He talks about the importance of personalizing leadership while maintaining fairness, the challenges of balancing individual needs with organizational goals, and the evolving expectations of employees in the workplace. [10:45] He discusses the transformation needed in education and workplace institutions, the shift from material abundance to psychological and spiritual fulfillment, and the role of leaders in navigating paradigm shifts and fostering individuality in the context of adapting to changing societal values and promoting holistic well-being in both educational and professional settings. [14:16] He shares the challenges of giving employees more autonomy while maintaining control, the comparison of bottom-up versus top-down approaches in leadership, and the importance of clear outcomes and flexible processes in modern workplaces in relation to fostering innovation, productivity, and employee satisfaction within organizational structures. [26:47] Todd gives an example of personalized health utilizing the glycemic index and machine learning. He also shares his personal experience with personalized nutrition, highlighting the potential of technology to scale personalization in various fields by leveraging data-driven approaches to optimize individual health outcomes and enhance personalized experiences across different domains. [35:32] He introduces his book “The Dark Horse project and book”, emphasizing the transformation of individuality into fulfillment and excellence. He also shares his personal anecdotes, highlighting the impact of the Dark Horse mindset on Todd's family and their journey towards embracing uniqueness and achieving personal success. [41:57] Closing quote: Remember, "If a man is not faithful to his own individuality, he cannot be loyal to anything." - Claude McKay   Quotable Quotes "The biggest mistake we've made in the industrial age is the abandonment of the appreciation for human distinctiveness." "Harnessing your individuality is a pretty central element to really leading a fulfilling life." "The flaw with the industrial age is that in the past, it was sort of intuitive that we were categorized in the same way that we thought it was intuitive that the

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