Crude Figures On A Whiteboard

Adena interviews Sara Devlin, Assistant Program Manager for Naval Sea Systems Command. They discuss the way in which women and men are perceived differently when doing their jobs passionately, the "good guy" rationalization, and the myth of hard work leading to results for women in the workplace.

Conversations With Men I Wish I Never Had is a production of Voyage Media. The series is produced by Nat Mundel, Robert Mitas, and Dan Benamor. Executive produced by Adena Grundy. Story Producer: Natasha Stephan. Produced and edited by Dan Benamor and Sameena Mustafa. Original theme by Derlis Gonzalez.

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