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The Anglotopia Podcast is your deep dive into the rich and diverse world of British culture, hosted by Jonathan and Jacqueline Thomas, publishers of Anglotopia.net and Londontopia.net. Each episode takes you on a journey through iconic British television, captivating historical events, and essential travel tips, ensuring you experience the very best of the British Isles. Our engaging discussions feature important British guests and authors, covering everything from the latest trends and timeless traditions to hidden gems and popular landmarks. Whether you're a passionate Anglophile or simply curious about the UK, our podcast offers a delightful mix of insights and entertainment. Join us as we celebrate the charm, heritage, and unique allure of Britain, making every episode a must-listen for anyone who loves all things British.

  1. 6d ago

    Dragons, Black Hens & Sleeping Warriors: The Legends of England’s Buried Treasure with Jeremy Harte

    In this episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, Jonathan Thomas sits down with Jeremy Harte — folklorist, winner of the Catherine Briggs Folklore Award, curator of Bourne Hall Museum in Surrey, and author of Cloven Country: The Devil in the English Landscape and Travelers Through Time: A Gypsy History — to discuss his remarkable new book Treasures on Earth: Buried Wealth in the English Landscape, published by Reaktion Books. Jeremy has spent his career chasing the uncanny side of the English landscape, and in this book he has gathered hundreds of treasure legends together for the first time — organizing them not by region or date but by emotion: memory, ruin, strife, terror, failure, and longing. The result is one of the most original and quietly brilliant books on English folklore in years, and the conversation it generates is irresistible: Why did people surround buried gold with dragons, black hens, and demons? What does the moment a laborer on the River Ribble accidentally uncovered a Viking army's war chest have in common with Oak Island? Why is the folklore always cruelest at the very last minute? What is the real fantasy underneath the search for treasure — not gold, but escape, freedom, and the dream of never having to work again? And what does the figure of Mackenzie Crook's Detectorists, swinging their machines over Essex fields and dreaming of Saxon gold, tell us about the ancient human urge that these legends have always mapped? Links Treasures on Earth by Jeremy Harte (Reaktion Books) Cloven Country: The Devil in the English Landscape by Jeremy Harte Travelers Through Time: A Gypsy History by Jeremy Harte Bourne Hall Museum, Ewell, Surrey The Cuerdale Hoard The Rillaton Cup Detectorists — Mackenzie Crook (BBC/AcornTV) Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways Treasure legends are not really about gold. They are, as Jeremy Harte argues throughout, about the emotions that surround gold — longing, memory, failure, terror, and the fantasy of transformation. The stories survived because of what they did to the people who told and heard them, not because of any actual buried wealth. The Cuerdale Hoard — the largest Viking silver hoard ever found in Britain, unearthed by laborers straightening the River Ribble in the 1840s — is one of the most powerful examples of how real treasure finds retrospectively generate legends. Almost all treasure "traditions" that seem to predict a find are only recorded after the find is made. The classic Anglo-Saxon image of the dragon sitting on a barrow of gold — doing nothing but guarding it forever, sacrificing whatever life a dragon might have — is, Jeremy argues, an early cultural articulation of what happens when treasure takes over a human life. The same psychology drives Oak Island today. Treasure guardians shift with the centuries — dragons and giants give way to fairies, then to demons, then to ghosts — not randomly but in response to what each era finds believable. A legend must sit in the zone between "obviously true" and "obviously made up" to function: too real and it's history, too fantastic and it's a fairy tale. The dissolution of the monasteries did not immediately generate treasure legends. It took fifty to a hundred years for the trauma to work its way into folklore — appearing in ghost monks, ruined abbey atmosphere, and stories of gold thrown into ponds or bricked up in tunnels. Society, like individuals, needs time to process collective shock before it becomes story. Mary Parrish, a "brandy-loving London cunning woman," and Goodwin Wharton, the gullible aristocrat she led on a years-long quest for fairy gold — documented entirely from Wharton's own obsessive diary — are perhaps the most human pair in the book. Wharton was simultaneously a reasonably successful MP, raised money from syndicates, and organized diving bells off the Scottish coast for Armada treasure. Jeremy describes their relationship as "a con, but also a love story." The folk cruelty of treasure legends — the fortune always snatched away by one tiny mistake, a single word spoken, one black hair on a white ox — is not random. These stories circulated among communities who had not done well for themselves. The unkindness of fate felt true to their experience. The treasure was always just out of reach because that was always true. The real fantasy of treasure, Jeremy argues, is not wealth but escape — to become a gentleman, meaning someone visibly unencumbered by the need to work. The problem for many of the poor communities generating these legends was that even if they found a single coin, they could not spend it without someone asking where it came from. Less than 10% of records are digital — a parallel to archaeology, where the vast majority of objects are still in the ground. Metal detectorists and archaeologists have more in common than either entirely admits: both are animated by the same desire to find something and to validate themselves through the finding. The difference is in what they're willing to record and share. The book closes with the gardener at Wallingford who dug for buried treasure in his spare time until one day they found a fresh hole, his spade and gloves beside it, and the man himself was never seen again. Jeremy chose this image deliberately: "It was almost like, if I'd been giving a talk, it would have been time for me to wave bye-bye and disappear behind a curtain." Soundbites "Treasure is so potent it doesn't have to exist to destabilize human life. Most of the hordes in the book will never be found because they were never there." — Jeremy on the central argument of the book. "You find an Iron Age gold coin and it was — if it had been anything else, it would have been archaeology. It was the gold that made that different emotive feeling. And I thought I ought to be exploring that a bit." — Jeremy on the moment in the dried-out lake that started it all. "Think about the Anglo-Saxon dragon. He does nothing but guard gold, and sacrifices whatever a dragon life would be to just sit there forever in the darkness on the treasure. I thought, yeah, there is a common theme here." — Jeremy on why Oak Island and the dragon barrow are the same story. "It has to be the kind of thing you can announce in the pub and there will be a lively discussion with people banging down their pints and going, well bits of it could be true. It has to sit in that zone — too real and it's just history, too fantastic and it's a fairy tale." — Jeremy on what makes a legend work. "Mary Parrish — we have an entirely one-sided record. Goodwin Wharton was the literary half of the partnership. He even organized diving bells to try to dig up the treasure of the Armada off the coast of Scotland. And at the same time he is a fairly successful MP making his way up in government. Leading me to wonder what secrets might possibly lie in the diaries of some of our present members." — Jeremy on the Mary Parrish and Goodwin Wharton story. "People telling stories about lost treasure — the poorer the community, the more likely they are to be doing it. There's a sense of the unkindness of fate. People who had mastered fate and done quite well for themselves were sitting in the other corner and not contacting the gentleman with the story." — Jeremy on why treasure legends cluster around poverty. "The dissolution of the monasteries is recorded historically, basically day by day. What happened to the stuff is pretty well recorded. But it's not until well into the seventeenth century that you get the tropes of the monastic ghost, the buried treasures, the ghost monks. It took fifty to a hundred years for the trauma to work its way into folklore." — Jeremy on how collective trauma becomes legend. "The fantasy is to become a gentleman. Gentlemen are conspicuously visible in the countryside as people who wander around having no apparent need to work at anything whatsoever. Which of course is why they can go around collecting folk tales." — Jeremy on the real dream underneath treasure hunting. "When I actually go on site, my skepticism rolls away after about five miles walking. And I'm like, ooh, let's just have a quick look underneath here. There's a patch of dirt here. Let's just check. And I thought it'd be terribly embarrassing if I did actually find a hoard of gold. It's like — yeah, publicity exercise." — Jeremy's most English answer to whether he believes any treasure is really out there. "He'd disappeared and it was almost like, if I'd been giving a talk, it would have been time for me to wave bye-bye and disappear behind a curtain and go out the back." — Jeremy on why he ended the book with the vanishing gardener of Wallingford. Chapters 00:21 Introduction — Jonathan sets the scene and introduces Jeremy Harte and Treasures on Earth 01:51 How Jeremy Came to Folklore — Thirty-five years at Bourne Hall Museum and the Iron Age gold coin that arrived in a little package 03:17 From the Devil to Buried Treasure — The Hampstead Heath lockdown walk that crystallized the book 05:11 Treasure Is So Potent It Doesn't Have to Exist — The central argument of the book 06:17 Organizing by Emotion — Why memory, ruin, strife, terror, and failure work better than region or date 08:33 Real Treasures and the Legends They Generated — The Cuerdale Hoard, the Rillaton Cup, and George V's toothbrush 10:19 Memory Doing Something Creative After the Fact — Why traditions almost always appear after the find 12:28 Comedy in Folklore — The shepherd who wrings every cockerel's neck and how humor functions in local legend 13:56 Dragons, Demons, and Elaborate Spells — Why the imagination surrounds gold with monsters 16:04 The Little Black Hen — Humble, absurd, and utterly unbeatable guardians 17:17 Fairies and Treasure

    Dragons, Black Hens & Sleeping Warriors: The Legends of England’s Buried Treasure with Jeremy Harte

  2. Jul 13

    Bonus Podcast: Genealogy 201 – Parish Records, Military History & the Secrets Hidden in Old Newspapers and Findmypast

    In this second sponsored episode with Findmypast — the follow-up to our Genealogy 101 introduction — Jonathan Thomas and Jen Baldwin, Research Specialist at Findmypast, go deeper into the records, techniques, and stories that turn a nervous beginner into a confident family historian. The episode covers the extraordinary richness of the 1921 census and 1939 register, why the newspaper archive is the place where ancestors stop being names and start being people, how the Industrial Revolution left its fingerprints across every family tree, the truth about name changes and spelling variations (it was almost never Ellis Island), how to avoid drowning in common surnames like Thomas or Smith, the unexpected discoveries that make genealogy so addictive — including Jen's own Cornish mail-order bride ancestor, an Irish great-great-grandfather with two arrests across two countries, and Audrey Thompson the World War II rat-catching champion — and how to connect all of it to the great currents of British history. The episode also covers parish records, military records, DNA testing, the role of offline archives, and the mindset that keeps family history a lifelong joy rather than a frustrating quest for perfection. If you haven't heard the first episode, Genealogy 101, go back and listen to that one first. Links Sponsor Findmypast — Start Your Free Trial (US) Findmypast — Start Your Free Trial (UK) British Newspaper Archive (via Findmypast) Findmypast Crime & Criminal Records The Family History Of — Findmypast Podcast Was Justice Served? Podcast — Jen Baldwin Also Referenced Genealogy 101 — Previous Episode with Jen Baldwin (listen first) Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways The 1921 census and 1939 register work best as a pair — together they bookend the interwar period, and used in combination they can anchor a family from living memory all the way back through the Victorian era. The 1921 is the most detailed census ever taken in England and Wales; the 1939 register is the only census-style record with full birth dates and tracks maiden-to-married name changes for women. The 1939 register is the foundational document of the NHS — a living document updated for decades after the war, making it uniquely valuable for women's research. ARP warden and Home Guard volunteer roles recorded in its margins bring the home front of World War II vividly to life. Less than 10% of historical records are currently available online. The other 90% live in county record offices, local archives, churches, and museums — and going to them in person, touching the original documents, is an irreplaceable experience that no screen can fully replicate. Names were almost never changed at Ellis Island. Spelling variations in records happen because clerks wrote what they heard, literacy levels were inconsistent, and people adapted their names to the culture they found themselves in. You are researching people, not names — and building a mountain of evidence is the only reliable way to confirm you have the right person. Common surnames are a solvable problem: search by address rather than name, find an unusual first name in the same family, use occupations as a generational signature, and use Findmypast's wildcard and name-variation search tools to cast a wider net before narrowing down. Military records are one of the most common gateways to unexpected discovery — attestation papers, service records, pension files, and medal rolls fill in the specifics of what an ancestor actually did, where they served, and what happened to them. The Pals battalions of World War I, where entire communities enlisted together and died together, are particularly powerful to research. Parish records predate civil registration by centuries — the earliest on Findmypast go back to the 1300s — and the parish chest records that accompany them reveal an ancestor's role in their community: tax records, poor relief, bastardy orders, apprenticeship documents, and more that have nothing to do with baptism but everything to do with understanding a life. DNA testing adds a powerful new dimension to family research — not as a replacement for documentary evidence, but as a corroborating tool that can confirm suspected connections, break through brick walls by connecting you to unknown cousins, and reveal migration patterns that the paper records haven't caught yet. The best cure for a genealogy brick wall is to switch branches entirely. Fresh eyes on a different part of the family tree — maternal lines, in-laws, siblings — often reveals the clue that unlocks the original problem. The answer to who your Thomas ancestor was is sometimes hiding in his wife's maiden name records. Replace the goal of a perfect family tree with the practice of curiosity. The satisfaction of genealogy is not in the quantity of ancestors collected but in the two-in-the-morning moment when everything suddenly clicks — and that moment always opens a hundred new questions. This is a lifelong hobby, and patience rewards it far more than brilliance does. Soundbites "She answers a mail order bride ad in Cornwall. She travels by herself across the Atlantic, gets on a train, goes to the highest incorporated town in Colorado at ten thousand feet, marries this man sight unseen. He dies in a mining accident. She waits a few months, answers another ad, gets on another train with her kids, moves to Nebraska. They shake hands, go to the courthouse, get married. That's not as unusual as you might think." — Jen on her Cornish ancestor Mary Daniels and the extraordinary ordinary lives migration records reveal. "Their name was not changed at Ellis Island. Did it happen occasionally? Yes. But not because someone at a table said, I think you look more like a Smith. Names change because clerks wrote what they heard. You are researching people, not names." — Jen on the biggest myth in genealogy. "I found a gentleman who fills the census in black ink — except for the marriage column, which is a giant red D that he has clearly spent a lot of time on. It's written over and over. You can see the imprint on the page. He felt very passionately about his divorce." — Jen on the 1921 census entry that is worth the price of a subscription on its own. "She volunteers for the Women's Land Army and the next thing you know she is the country's top rat catcher. She enters the competition, travels the country giving presentations, getting her picture taken by local media — the top rat catcher fighting to save Britain from the Nazis. Because we needed the crops." — Jen on Audrey Thompson, one of her favorite unexpected discoveries. "He gets arrested twice. Once in Ireland and once in Wales — the situation in Wales was a bar fight, quite literally, covered in the newspaper in a lot of detail. He ends up in Cork prison, then Wales, then Liverpool, then Pennsylvania. I know all of that because of newspapers, arrest records, and a passenger list. The records all connect to tell a much deeper story." — Jen on tracing an Irish ancestor through famine, crime, and migration. "There's only about a percent of historical materials actually available online. There are more records sitting in archives and churches and museums and little nuggets all over the country. Go to the county records office. Go to the cemetery. Touch grass. Actually get away from the screen — because it connects you with the past in a way you could never duplicate in an online experience." — Jen on why physical archives still matter. "The 1939 register is the foundational records for the National Health Service. It was a living document for decades after the war. When women got married from 1939 on, you have their maiden name recorded and then they would go in and scratch out the maiden name and write their married name over the top. For women's research, it's particularly important." — Jen on why the 1939 register is so valuable. "I went to the church in St. Dunstan's Parish in the East. They still have the same baptismal font sitting in the building. And the steps down to the Thames along Radcliffe Highway are still in the same place as they were in the 1600s when my ancestors would have been there. I believe I'm the first person in our direct line to go back to London since they left in 1635. That first trip over was extraordinarily special." — Jen on the moment family history becomes real. "In a Pals battalion, they recruited whole battalions from the same community. All those men were neighbors before the war. They went to school together, they married each other's sisters, they went to church together. You get this situation where you're looking at an entire village of people who enlist and then get caught up in a battle and hundreds of them die in the same night. This is more than just a pedigree chart. This is an opportunity to remember them." — Jen on World War I Pals battalions and why war memorials matter. "You make a discovery and you've been researching this for hours or sometimes months or years, and you finally find it. It's two o'clock in the morning and you are literally jumping up and down in front of your computer. And then you realize I found this thing — but now I have a hundred more questions. That's the bit that keeps people coming back." — Jen on the true nature of the genealogy addiction. Chapters 00:00 Introduction & Sponsor Message — Findmypast and the Genealogy 201 premise 02:07 Picking Up Where We Left Off — A recap of Genealogy 101 and the call to action 02:32 The 1921 Census and 1939 Register as a Pair — Bookending the interwar period 03:30 What Makes the 1921 Census So Special — Employer names, divorce, orphan data, and handwriting 03:37 The Man with the Giant Red D — A census entry that tells an entire emotional story 05:00 The 1939 R

    Bonus Podcast: Genealogy 201 – Parish Records, Military History & the Secrets Hidden in Old Newspapers and Findmypast

  3. Jul 13

    Bonus Podcast: Genealogy 101 – Everything You Need to Start Tracing Your British & Irish Family History with Findmypast

    In this sponsored episode of the Anglotopia Podcast — brought to you by Findmypast, one of the world's leading family history websites — Jonathan Thomas sits down with Jen Baldwin, Research Specialist at Findmypast and a professional genealogist since 2010, for a warm, practical, and genuinely inspiring introduction to British and Irish family history research. Jen specializes in British social history and the British diaspora — exactly the intersection where family stories meet the great sweep of British history — and her own family tree reaches back to London in 1635. In this first of two episodes, Jen and Jonathan cover everything a complete beginner needs to get started: why family history is so addictive, how to interview living relatives before the memories are lost, what records to look for at home, the cornerstone British records (civil registration from 1837, the census from 1841, parish records, military records, and the extraordinary British Newspaper Archive), the common mistakes that trip up beginners, how to track ancestors who came to America via Canada or Australia, the surprising political dramas hidden inside census returns, and three quick wins that any listener can complete this week. A second episode, covering deeper research and connecting your family story to the wider sweep of British history, is coming soon. Links Sponsor Findmypast — Start Your Free Trial (US) Findmypast — Start Your Free Trial (UK) British Newspaper Archive (via Findmypast) Findmypast Crime & Criminal Records The Family History Of — Findmypast Podcast Was Justice Served? Podcast — Jen Baldwin Also Mentioned Birmingham Back to Backs — National Trust The Fatal Shore by Robert Hughes — Convict Transportation to Australia Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways Family history research is genuinely addictive — not because of the pedigree chart but because of the moment when a name becomes a person: someone with a job, a neighborhood, neighbors, a dog, and a life that intersects with historical events you already care about. There is no such thing as a boring ancestor. Agricultural laborers, mill workers, sailors, and servants all lived lives of remarkable complexity — moving seasonally, navigating economic upheaval, living through wars and weather — and the records to explore those lives exist and are increasingly accessible online. The golden rule of genealogy is to start with yourself and work backward one generation at a time. "Slow is fast" — taking time to verify each connection saves hours of untangling mistakes later. Talk to your oldest or most vulnerable living relatives now, before the memories are lost. Don't ask them to recite facts — ask them to tell stories. Put a photograph in front of them. Ask about their first car, their father's job, the family rumors. That's where the genealogical gold is hidden. Check your own home before you open a single database. Shoeboxes of photographs, greeting cards, family bibles, baptism certificates, postcards, and funeral cards all contain clues. Even a photo of someone standing on a porch with a dog can crack a family mystery open. Civil registration in England and Wales (from 1837) is one of the most powerful genealogical tools in the world — a universal national system that records every birth, marriage, and death, and is far more consistent than the fragmented state-by-state US system. Each certificate chains to the next, revealing a new generation with every document. The 1911 and 1921 censuses of England and Wales are particularly rich — the first preserved in original household handwriting, the second containing post-WWI data on orphans, divorce, and political protests from veterans demanding the "homes fit for heroes" that were promised and never delivered. The 1931 census was pulped for the war and the 1941 census was never taken, making 1921 the last available for a generation. The British Newspaper Archive (accessible via Findmypast) is a partnership with the British Library covering millions of newspaper images from the early 1700s to modern day — not just the major national titles but tiny regional papers, sports papers, political papers, and even a newspaper devoted entirely to cats. It is where ancestors come alive as personalities, not just data points. The Findmypast crime and criminal records collection is the largest of its kind available online, and tracking a transported convict from a British court through the Australian records is very achievable — especially given the extraordinary work done by genealogy communities in Australia and New Zealand to preserve those stories. Three quick wins for after this episode: call the oldest family member you can and record their stories; search for one relative in a census on Findmypast; and start a basic family tree with your parents and grandparents. All three are achievable this week. Soundbites "When we do family history, we think we're researching individual people. But what we're really researching is history. We're researching the people who lived that history in the moment. That's what makes it addictive — that high of discovering the name of the person you've been looking for for five years, and then going, okay, where did he get his shoes?" — Jen on why family history is about so much more than a pedigree chart. "There is no such thing as a boring ancestor. Get that out of your head right now. Some of the most interesting people I've encountered are the ones people say are not very interesting. Agricultural laborers are a great example. There are thousands of them. And they lived a really incredible life." — Jen on the myth of the uninteresting ancestor. "People remember things with all five senses. Put a photograph down in front of them and say, what do you remember about this day? Or ask about their first car, their father's job, the family rumors. If you can get them into telling stories, that's where those little nuggets of data come from." — Jen on interviewing living relatives. "In 1911, there were hundreds of women across the country who were not listed in the census because they would write instead: no vote, no census. If I'm not allowed to vote, then you don't get to count me as a citizen on your government form." — Jen on the suffragists' census boycott. "You have seven different households at the same address. They had a routine of who got to use the bed and when. While one person was at work, the other family was in the kitchen, family three was in the bedroom sleeping, family four was doing whatever. They worked off a rotation." — Jen on what the 1921 census revealed about Birmingham's back-to-back houses. "Slow is fast in genealogy. If you take your time and really make sure you have these relationships correct, future you will thank you significantly. Nobody begins with 500 ancestors. Everybody starts with one person — and that's you." — Jen's single most important piece of advice for beginners. "Common sense is queen in genealogy. If you have a Jonathan Thomas born in Yorkshire and a Jonathan Thomas born in Devon, but the whole family is in Yorkshire the whole time, why would someone suddenly be born in Devon? Let that common sense guide you." — Jen on avoiding the most common beginner mistake. "Just to compare with the United States — every state records these things differently, possibly every county within every state. But in England and Wales, it's universal. Everybody goes through the same national system. It doesn't matter where in the country they are born or died. They are findable." — Jen on why civil registration is such a powerful tool for British research. "There's a seven-year-old who stole a pound and was transported to Australia. A single pound. That's probably one of the saddest ones I've ever found." — Jen on the human cost visible in the criminal records. "No one knows your family better than you do. You won't find it without sitting down and doing it. It's exciting and it's history and it's fun and it's addictive and it can be very challenging — it's like playing detective all the time. But it is a lifelong hobby that I guarantee will give you a lot of satisfaction." — Jen's closing encouragement to anyone who's nervous about starting. Chapters 00:22 Introduction & Sponsor Message — Findmypast and what it offers for British and Irish research 02:14 Introducing Jen Baldwin — Research Specialist at Findmypast, professional genealogist since 2010 03:01 The Big Why — Why family history is so powerful and so addictive once you start 04:44 Social History and the Big Picture — How one person's story opens up industrialization, migration, war, and more 06:11 There Are No Boring Ancestors — Why agricultural laborers and mill workers have extraordinary stories 07:21 Start with Yourself — The puzzle analogy and why the golden rule exists 09:26 Interview Your Living Relatives — Before the memories are gone, how to ask and what to ask 11:05 The Gold Mine at Home — Shoeboxes of photos, certificates, greeting cards, family bibles, and the dog in the photograph 13:02 Civil Registration from 1837 — England and Wales's universal national record system and why it beats the US 15:16 The Census from 1841 — A snapshot of every household, and why the 1911 and 1921 are particularly special 17:36 Suffragists and the Census — "No vote, no census" and the political drama inside the 1911 record 19:09 The 1921 Census and Why It's the Last for a Long Time — The 1931 pulped, the 1941 never taken 20:09 The Political Drama of Census-Taking — Irish chicken-killing, miners' strikes, and Commonwealth representatives caught in London 22:26 What You Can Actually Learn from These Records — Occupations, addresses, relationships, and a person coming to

    Bonus Podcast: Genealogy 101 – Everything You Need to Start Tracing Your British & Irish Family History with Findmypast

  4. Jul 10

    From D-Day to the Cold War: The Extraordinary Bond Between Winston Churchill and Eisenhower

    In this episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, Jonathan Thomas sits down with Jonathan W. Jordan — New York Times bestselling military historian, Wall Street Journal book critic, and now federal judge — to discuss his richly researched new book Ike and Winston: World War, Cold War, and an Extraordinary Friendship. Spanning a quarter century from their first meeting on Christmas Eve 1941 — when Eisenhower was a little-known brigadier, and Churchill was the most famous man in the world — to Churchill's death in January 1965, Jordan traces one of the most consequential personal relationships of the 20th century. Their friendship forged through the pressure cooker of war helped launch D-Day, navigate the terrifying logic of nuclear weapons, and manage the fraught transition from British imperial power to American superpower. Jordan and Jonathan cover the early dynamic between the aristocrat and the Kansan, the strategic clashes over Anvil and Berlin, Churchill's habit of misrepresenting what Eisenhower had told him when he really wanted his way, the moral weight of decisions that killed tens of thousands, their shared love of painting, the goat on parade in Bermuda, and what these two remarkable men can still teach us about friendship, leadership, and bridging difference. Links Ike and Winston by Jonathan W. Jordan Brothers, Rivals, Victors by Jonathan W. Jordan American Warlords by Jonathan W. Jordan Churchill Papers at Hillsdale College Eisenhower Presidential Library Winston Churchill the Painter at the Wallace Collection, London (open until November 29, 2026) Pressure (2024 film on the D-Day weather decision) Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways Churchill and Eisenhower first met on Christmas Eve 1941, three weeks after Pearl Harbor — but Churchill promptly forgot the encounter. In his memoirs, he incorrectly stated he first met Ike in June 1942. Churchill had also famously forgotten meeting a young assistant secretary of the Navy named Franklin Roosevelt years earlier. Jonathan Jordan argues that Churchill's friendship with Eisenhower was ultimately more pivotal to world history than his famous friendship with FDR. Without Churchill's patronage, there is no Supreme Commander of D-Day, no NATO commander, and quite possibly no President Eisenhower. Eisenhower had never heard a shot fired in anger when he was appointed Supreme Allied Commander of the Mediterranean theater in 1943 — and every officer in the room, including Foreign Minister Anthony Eden, had more combat experience than he did. But Patton's observation captures what made Ike perfect for the job: no officer above the rank of colonel should know too much about tactics, or they'll interfere with the people who do. Churchill and Eisenhower lunched together at least weekly during the run-up to D-Day, and met several other times during the week — sometimes for overnight visits at Chequers. Many of their interactions were not grand strategy but practical problem-solving: American drivers going too fast on English roads, landlords overcharging American officers for flats. The biggest strategic clashes were over Anvil (the Allied landing in southern France, which Churchill wanted canceled to preserve British strength in Italy) and Berlin (which Churchill wanted to capture to deny it to the Soviets, and which Eisenhower refused to spend lives on because he knew the political leaders would give it back after the war anyway). In both cases, Churchill was overruled. During the Anvil dispute, Churchill went so far as to misrepresent to Roosevelt and to Montgomery what Eisenhower had told him — attributing to Ike support for a plan Ike had never endorsed — in order to start a ball rolling toward canceling the invasion. The British Chiefs of Staff had to go back to their American counterparts and acknowledge that the Prime Minister had misrepresented the situation. The two men were fundamentally different in their inner lives: Eisenhower was the pragmatist — the card-playing bridge player who assessed odds and would spend lives when the mathematics demanded it — while Churchill was the romantic, the novelist and painter who felt the human cost viscerally and argued passionately against bombing French railways that might kill 40,000 civilians. Both men were painters — a shared passion that became a genuine bond. After the Suez Crisis ruptured Anglo-American relations in 1956, Eisenhower leveraged America's love of Churchill by personally promoting the world tour of Churchill's paintings across US galleries and writing the foreword for the program. The painting Ike was proudest of was his own portrait of Churchill, copied from another work. The rupture of their later years was over Churchill's desperate desire for a summit with the Soviet Union after the hydrogen bomb — and Eisenhower's refusal to engage. Churchill, who had coined the phrase "meeting at the summit," believed great men could move history in direct conversation; Eisenhower, the organization man, believed the Soviet machine would behave the same regardless of who sat across the table. Despite every disagreement, the bond never broke at a personal level. When Churchill's greatest political enemy Clement Attlee served as one of his pallbearers in 1965, it was with Churchill's prior approval — a final demonstration of the principle both men lived by: never let differences over politics or policy destroy a personal friendship. Soundbites "Without Winston Churchill's backing, there is no Eisenhower. There's Eisenhower the brigadier who works in the Pentagon and is respected as a planner. But there's no Supreme Commander of D-Day, there's no NATO commander, there's no President Eisenhower. He is not a household name without Winston Churchill." — Jonathan Jordan on Churchill's role in making Eisenhower. "Being a litigator is not all that different from being a historian. You sift through old documents, you interview witnesses — which is basically a deposition — and you package it in a way that's hopefully accessible and if possible engaging and entertaining for a lay audience, whether that's twelve jurors or thousands of history buffs." — Jonathan Jordan on why law and history are the same skill. "Churchill liked to expound on strategy, but most of what they worked on together were practical problems — shipping backlogs in the English ports, Americans' drivers having a habit of driving too fast on those small English roads, British landlords overcharging American officers for flats. Sometimes Ike and Winston had to interact like they were city councilmen." — Jonathan Jordan on the day-to-day reality of their wartime relationship. "Churchill would do whatever it took. He would use humor, he would argue, he would threaten to resign, he would cry. He would misrepresent what Eisenhower had told him. When he really dug his heels in, anything was on the table." — Jonathan Jordan on Churchill's tactics when he wanted his own way on strategy. "Churchill had to think about whether bombing French railways — which he was told might kill as many as forty thousand French civilians — was too brutal a cost just to slow down Hitler's reinforcements coming to the Normandy beaches. Churchill was a creative writer, a painter, a bricklayer. He loved animals, he had a very soft spot for children. He didn't look at things in the purely military lens that Ike did." — Jonathan Jordan on the chapter titled "Are We Beasts." "In explanation of the goat's refusal to accept the cigarette you offered him this morning, I think I ought to point out that he was aware that smoking on parade is strictly forbidden. Eisenhower wrote back: The goat's soldierly deportment puts me to shame. You would suppose that after some forty years in the army I would not have embarrassed him so sadly." — Jonathan Jordan reading the Bermuda goat exchange between Churchill and Eisenhower. "We are now as far from the age of the atomic bomb as the atomic bomb was from the bow and arrow. Churchill had a vivid imagination — as a painter, a historian, a novelist. He could see big trends into the future. And demons seemed to whisper to him that mankind could incinerate itself with these new thermonuclear weapons." — Jonathan Jordan on how the hydrogen bomb transformed Churchill. "Eisenhower was 50% kindly grandfather and 50% cold-blooded calculator. His own son John thought about it and said: we'll make that 75% cold-blooded calculator. He would never let his personal indebtedness affect how he conducted foreign policy. If he had to step on a friend, whether that was Patton or the remnants of the British Empire in the Suez Crisis, he did it." — Jonathan Jordan on Eisenhower's inner character. "Churchill subscribed to the great man theory of history — great men make history, and he had done it himself in talks with Stalin in Moscow, Tehran, Yalta, Potsdam. Eisenhower was an organization man. He felt the machine did what the machine did. It's like a car engine — you replace the carburetor, it'll still run as a car. It won't turn into an airplane." — Jonathan Jordan on the fundamental philosophical difference between the two men. "Don't let differences over politics or policy get in the way of what could be a good personal friendship. Neither of those two men held grudges if they could avoid it. When Churchill died, Clement Attlee — who had inflicted the very worst political humiliation of Churchill's life — was one of his pallbearers, and Churchill had approved that." — Jonathan Jordan on the lasting lesson of the Ike and Winston friendship. Chapters 00:21 Introduction — Jonathan Thomas introduces the book and Jonathan W. Jordan 01:53 Two Jonathans, Two Americans, One Half-American Subject — The pleasures of the setup 02:46 How a Federal Judge Became a Military Historian — Litigat

    From D-Day to the Cold War: The Extraordinary Bond Between Winston Churchill and Eisenhower

  5. Jul 3

    Stonehenge, Druids & Folk Horror: The Myths Behind Britain’s Standing Stones With Paul Robichaud

    In this episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, Jonathan Thomas sits down with Professor Paul Robichaud — Professor of English at Albertus Magnus College in New Haven, Connecticut — to discuss his remarkable new book, Stories of the Stones: Imagining Prehistory in Britain, Ireland, and Brittany, published by Reaktion Books on July 6th. Paul is not an archaeologist but a literary scholar, and his book takes a completely different approach to prehistoric monuments: rather than asking who built them or how, he asks what stories people have told about them across the centuries — and what those stories reveal about us. From the earliest Greek account of a possible spherical temple on a northern island (possibly Callanish), through Geoffrey of Monmouth's 12th-century account of Merlin flying Stonehenge from Ireland, through the antiquarian fantasies of Inigo Jones (who decided Stonehenge was Roman and helpfully corrected its geometry to fit) and William Stukeley (who invented the Druid connection that has never entirely gone away), through the Romantics — Wordsworth's visions of human sacrifice, Blake's prophetic paintings, Turner's atmospheric canvases — to the 1970s counterculture, folk horror films, and our own climate-anxious present, the book traces how five millennia of imagining these ancient places tells us as much about the people doing the imagining as it does about the stones themselves. Jonathan and Paul also share their personal favorite prehistoric sites, including Avebury, Wayland Smithy, and — Jonathan's top pick — Castlerigg in Cumbria. Links Stories of the Stones by Paul Robichaud (Reaktion Books, July 6) Stores of Stones - Amazon Stonehenge — English Heritage Avebury — National Trust Wayland's Smithy, Oxfordshire — English Heritage Castlerigg Stone Circle, Cumbria — National Trust Callanish Standing Stones, Isle of Lewis Stanton Drew Stone Circles, Somerset Newgrange, Ireland The Ridgeway National Trail Albertus Magnus College Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways The word "prehistoric" didn't exist until the mid-19th century. For most of human history, people encountering these monuments had no framework for understanding them as ancient — they were simply there, part of the landscape, and the stories told about them reflected whatever worldview the storyteller brought: giants, biblical patriarchs, Roman engineers, druid priests, or earth energies. Stonehenge is unique among stone circles not because of its age or size but because of its distinctive architecture — upright stones with lintels resting on mortise-and-tenon joints, clearly intentional and clearly extraordinary. Its location on a relatively populated southern English plain also meant it was seen by far more people across the centuries than monuments in Wales or the Outer Hebrides. The Stonehenge we see today is not how it looked for most of recorded history. Many of the stones that appear upright were raised during restoration work in the 19th and 20th centuries, and the contemporary visitor's experience of a cleaned-up, presented monument is itself a kind of modern imagination of what people thought it should look like. Geoffrey of Monmouth's 12th-century account — in which Merlin magically flies the stones from Ireland to Salisbury Plain as a memorial to fallen British nobles — dominated the medieval imagination for centuries because there simply were no rival stories. With no archaeological framework and no competing account, his version was accepted as genuine British history. Inigo Jones concluded that Stonehenge must be a Roman temple, and helpfully corrected its irregular geometry in his drawings to make it look properly classical. William Stukeley correctly identified the Druids as the likely builders — and then spent decades constructing increasingly elaborate Druidical fantasies connecting ancient Britain to biblical monotheism. Both men are cautionary examples of how we make evidence fit our assumptions. The Druid/Stonehenge association is almost entirely modern — an 18th-century invention that has almost no basis in archaeological evidence. The Iron Age Celts we associate with Druids arrived in Britain centuries after Stonehenge was built. But the association was cemented through repeated reproduction in engravings and illustrations — like a cultural meme — and has proved impossible to dislodge. The Romantics found in prehistoric monuments the perfect embodiment of the Sublime — Edmund Burke's idea of awe and terror in the presence of something vast and unknowable. Wordsworth had what he described as visions of ancient Britons and human sacrifice after being stranded near Stonehenge in a carriage accident; Blake incorporated megaliths into his prophetic paintings; Turner painted Stonehenge in dramatic atmospheric light. These Romantic responses shaped how visitors expected to feel at these sites for generations afterward. Paul's most unexpectedly moving site visit was to Wayland's Smithy in Oxfordshire — a Neolithic chambered tomb accessible via the ancient Ridgeway path. He had it entirely to himself in the rain, found a fresh offering of flowers left by a previous visitor, and experienced the kind of quiet communion with place that Stonehenge, with its crowds and visitor management, rarely allows. Jonathan's personal favorite prehistoric site is Castlerigg in Cumbria — a stone circle set on a hill and surrounded by mountains, relatively unknown and often visitable in near-solitude. Paul's is Avebury, which he recommends over Stonehenge for anyone wanting to actually walk among the stones rather than view them from a distance. Our contemporary fascination with prehistoric monuments is increasingly shaped by environmental anxiety — a need to reconnect with the landscape and with deep human time at a moment of climate crisis and technological acceleration. The stories we now tell about standing stones are as revealing of our own moment as Geoffrey of Monmouth's were of the 12th century. Soundbites "I had one book that had a picture of a druid kind of surfing on a large stone coming into Stonehenge — like he's landing. The idea was that they must have levitated the stones using Earth energies. The 70s was a time when there was a lot of interest in what we call New Age thinking. All that was kind of in the air when I was a kid." — Paul on his childhood introduction to prehistoric Britain. "I'm more interested in what these stories are doing and what they reveal about the people who are telling them. We can get some insight into what these places have meant to people who have visited them and lived alongside them for centuries and even millennia. The stories are interesting in their own right." — Paul on what a literary scholar sees that an archaeologist might not. "Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed to get his information from a mysterious book in Welsh that no one else had ever heard of and has never been identified or located. He was clearly a fabulator. But his account dominated the Middle Ages and kept getting retold all through the Renaissance because there were no rival stories." — Paul on Geoffrey of Monmouth's enduring influence. "Inigo Jones with his very careful architectural drawings, correcting the shape of Stonehenge to make it fit his vision, is a kind of exaggerated form of what we're all tempted to do — which is make things fit our assumptions about the world." — Paul on antiquarian projection. "The controversy around Druids in the 1700s was not whether they conducted their rites at Stonehenge — that was assumed — but whether the Druids were noble philosophers who had a secret wisdom, or bloodthirsty priests using human sacrifice to terrify the population into submission. Stukeley and his friend Borlase fell out over this." — Paul on the 18th-century Druid debate. "You've got a stone circle, you've got a druid there, and they're just always together. It becomes like a meme. And then they're taken up by the Romantics. So it really gets cemented in the popular imagination." — Paul on how the Druid/Stonehenge association became inescapable. "The Romantics find this admiration for the rugged beauty of these sites. Edmund Burke's idea of the sublime — that we experience awe in wild places that provoke a frisson of fear — becomes a kind of defining experience that travelers have at Stonehenge. These sites are viewed through the same lens as Niagara Falls." — Paul on the Romantic discovery of the prehistoric sublime. "I walked from the visitor center and I was glad I did. You see the barrows and the wooded land and then finally, a little bit in the distance, Stonehenge itself. And it really is impressive. You get at least a little bit of that experience of what it must have been like to suddenly see it in front of you in the landscape." — Paul's practical advice for visiting Stonehenge. "I drove up to Wayland's Smithy and I had the place to myself. It was raining, just one of those English drizzles. You walk down this pathway and then all of a sudden this really magnificent tomb is in front of you with standing stones around it. Someone had left an offering of flowers there. It was really beautiful." — Paul on his most unexpectedly moving prehistoric site visit. "As we're living in this increasingly dire moment of climate change, there's a sense of urgency in thinking about our relationship to the landscape. And we live in a time of unprecedented technological change — we spend so much of our time staring at screens. I think this interest in the deep past is something more and more people are developing as a way of connecting to our cultural and human origins." — Paul on why prehistoric monuments still matter today. Chapters 00:26 Introduction — Jonathan introduces Paul Robichaud and Stories of the Stones 02:15 Orig

    Stonehenge, Druids & Folk Horror: The Myths Behind Britain’s Standing Stones With Paul Robichaud

  6. Jun 30

    BONUS EPISODE: What’s On in London in July 2026: America 250, Exhibitions, Events & Heat Wave Survival Tips, What To See and Do

    In this monthly bonus episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, Jonathan Thomas returns with the July edition of What's On in London — a complete rundown of everything worth seeing and doing in the city this month. July is London at its most extroverted: Wimbledon fever, the BBC Proms at the Royal Albert Hall, British Summertime at Hyde Park, open-air cinema across the city, and a remarkable cluster of new exhibitions opening across the major galleries. Particularly special this month are three America 250 exhibitions viewing the American Revolution from the British side — at the National Archives, the British Museum, and Benjamin Franklin's only surviving house anywhere in the world, just around the corner from Trafalgar Square. Jonathan also covers the ongoing blockbusters already running from June, gives an honest assessment of London's July heat wave (currently under a red weather warning), shares a firsthand account from an Anglotopia friend who was in the city during the worst of it, and walks through the practical survival tips that will make your summer visit not just manageable but genuinely wonderful. Links New Exhibitions — July Richard Dadd at the Royal Academy of Arts (from July 1) Young Artist Summer Show, Royal Academy (from July 14 — Free) Ferdinand Georg Waldmüller Landscapes, National Gallery (from July 2 — Free) Anna Mendieta at Tate Modern In Other Worlds by Liam Young, Barbican (from July 15) Audrey Amis at the Wellcome Collection (from July 9) Art as Witness: The Lying in State of Queen Elizabeth II, Westminster Hall (from July 13) America 250 Exhibitions Revolution 250: America's Independence Story, National Archives (open now — Free) Declaring Independence: USA 250, British Museum (from June 30 — Free) How We Lost America, Benjamin Franklin House (from July 3) Ongoing Exhibitions from June Frida Kahlo & Tracey Emin at Tate Modern Anish Kapoor Retrospective, Hayward Gallery Royal Academy Summer Exhibition Schiaparelli: Fashion Becomes Art at the V&A Zurbarán at the National Gallery James McNeill Whistler at Tate Britain Marilyn Monroe at the National Portrait Gallery The Queen's Fashion at The King's Gallery (sold out through 2026 — now extended into 2027, book ahead) Inside Aardman: Wallace & Gromit at Young V&A Major Events Wimbledon 2026 BBC Proms at the Royal Albert Hall (from mid-July) British Summertime at Hyde Park Open Air Cinema — Somerset House, Rooftop Film Club, Regent's Park Buckingham Palace State Rooms Summer Opening (late July) (likely sold out — check for returns) Houses of Parliament Tours (July/August recess) Practical Resources Londontopia London Events Calendar TfL Tube Map — Which Lines Have Air Conditioning Refill App — Free Water Refill Points Across London Ken Burns American Revolution Documentary — PBS Passport Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways July is London at its most spectacular and its most demanding — maximum daylight (sunrise before 5am, sunset after 9pm), world-class events, longer museum hours, and beautiful golden evening light, but also peak crowds, peak prices, and the very real possibility of an extreme heat wave. Three once-in-a-lifetime America 250 exhibitions are open this July, all viewing the American Revolution from the British side: the National Archives has George Washington's handwritten letter accepting the British surrender at Yorktown and an original copy of the 1783 Treaty of Paris; the British Museum has four key objects from the Revolution; and Benjamin Franklin's only surviving house anywhere in the world is hosting "How We Lost America" from July 3. Richard Dadd at the Royal Academy (from July 1) is the most compelling new exhibition of the month — a rare survey of the brilliant Victorian painter who created hauntingly intricate fairy scenes while confined to an asylum after killing his father in a psychotic episode. The red weather warning heat wave currently affecting Britain is not a reason to cancel a trip, but it does require preparation: buy a fan on arrival (from Boots, Superdrug, Marks & Spencer, or a corner shop), carry a refillable water bottle, avoid the Central, Bakerloo, Northern, and Piccadilly tube lines during the heat, and use the air-conditioned Elizabeth line instead. During an extreme heat wave, even well-equipped venues can be forced to close galleries — one Anglotopia friend visiting recently reported that parts of the British Museum had to shut because industrial fans couldn't bring temperatures down, and visitors were fainting. Have a backup plan for every attraction. The Art as Witness exhibition at Westminster Hall (from July 13) — gathering official artworks made to record Queen Elizabeth II's lying in state in September 2022 — is a quietly moving, freely accessible display in one of the oldest buildings in London, and is worth combining with a Houses of Parliament tour during the summer recess. The BBC Proms at the Royal Albert Hall, running from mid-July straight through August, offers some of the most affordable classical music in London — from Bach to brand new compositions — with tickets potentially still available for some concerts. The Queen's Fashion exhibition at The King's Gallery is now extended into 2027 — if you're visiting next spring, book now, as it continues to sell out in advance. Jonathan's honest verdict: July is the right month if you love outdoor events, maximum daylight, world-class exhibitions, and big set-piece British occasions like Wimbledon, and you're comfortable with higher prices and significant crowds. It's the wrong month if you want contemplative museums, budget hotels, relaxed restaurant booking, or the tube to feel bearable without the Elizabeth line. Tucked between every crowded attraction, there is still a quieter London in July — in tree-lined squares, along the Thames at dusk, in church gardens, in early-morning side streets before the tour groups arrive. Walk slowly, sit in the parks, get to the pub before the evening rush, and the city reveals itself. Soundbites "July is London at its most extroverted, most expensive, and most crowded — and honestly its most beautiful. The city is showing off, and you can either love that or find it exhausting. There really is no middle ground." — Jonathan's honest verdict on July in London. "Richard Dadd created these hauntingly intricate fairy scenes like the Fairy Feller's Master Stroke — while he was confined to an asylum after he killed his father in a psychotic episode. So that's like, this guy already sounds really interesting." — Jonathan on the Royal Academy's most compelling new show. "The National Archives has a handwritten letter signed by George Washington accepting the British surrender at Yorktown. They have an actual copy of the 1783 Treaty of Paris. You're going to be seeing some of the most famous documents that are really founding documents for us — from the British side." — Jonathan on the National Archives America 250 exhibition. "Benjamin Franklin spent something like 20 to 30 years living in London. And his only remaining house that he ever lived in is in London, just around the corner from Trafalgar Square. They're hosting a witty and thought-provoking exhibition called 'How We Lost America' — a British perspective on the Revolution, told in the very house where Franklin spent years trying to hold both sides together." — Jonathan on the Benjamin Franklin House. "The temperature climbed to about 98 degrees on their last day and it genuinely curtailed their plans. Walking the sun-drenched pavements and riding the crowded tube became, in their words, a bit debilitating — especially as they were senior travelers. In an extreme heat event, the heat doesn't just make you uncomfortable. It can quietly eat your itinerary." — Jonathan sharing a firsthand heat wave account from an Anglotopia friend. "The first thing you should do when you land and you've checked into your hotel is go to a local ironmonger or hardware store and get a fan. Buy a fan. You will need a fan. Buy two fans. You'll have two fans. Be in a wind tunnel." — Jonathan's number one heat wave survival tip. "The light is a secret superpower of July travel in London. That long golden evening light makes every gray building glow. Yes, it's hot. Yes, it's crowded — but the city looks absolutely beautiful at 8pm with a cold glass of something in your hand." — Jonathan on why July evenings in London are worth it. "Even though the British Museum has air conditioning, some of the galleries had to shut because they couldn't bring the temperature down even with industrial fans — and they mentioned visitors fainting from the heat. If you're building a trip around a specific thing you want to see during a heat wave, have a backup." — Jonathan on extreme heat and museum closures. "Sun rises before 5am, sets after 9pm. It's glorious if you love long evenings — maddening if you want to sleep in. But you're in London. Why waste time sleeping?" — Jonathan on July's extraordinary daylight hours. "Walk slowly, sit in the parks, go to the pub early before the evening rush. The city is jammed with people but it's also jammed with possibility. July is London saying: I'm giving you my absolute best. Here it is, take it or leave it. And most people will take it — which is exactly why it's so crowded." — Jonathan's closing thought on July in London. Chapters 00:21 Introduction — The July edition of What's On in London and what to expect 01:30 New Exhibition: Richard Dadd at the Royal Academy (July 1) 02:30 New Exhibition: Anna Mendieta at Tate Modern 03:00 New Exhibition: In Other Worlds by Liam Young at the Barbican (July 15) 03:30 New Exhibition: Audrey Amis at the Wellcome

    BONUS EPISODE: What’s On in London in July 2026: America 250, Exhibitions, Events & Heat Wave Survival Tips, What To See and Do

  7. Jun 26

    Return to Gold Hill – The Hovis Hill Cottage You Can Rent — Melanie Fontana on Restoring Button Cottage

    In this deeply personal episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, Jonathan Thomas makes a big announcement — he and Mrs. Anglotopia are returning to Gold Hill in Shaftesbury, Dorset, the place that inspired Anglotopia itself. As a teenager in Indiana, Jonathan hung a poster of Gold Hill on his bedroom wall and dreamed of going there; it became the reason he fell in love with Britain. After nearly 10 years away, he and Jackie are returning to stay in Button Cottage — a 400-year-old property sitting right on the famous cobbles, painstakingly restored by its owner Melanie Fontana over three years. Jonathan sits down with Melanie to hear the full story: how she and her partner fell in love with Gold Hill on an Easter weekend, found the cottage for sale on their phones, and spent three years stripping away decades of 1970s "improvements" — concrete floors, bitumen tar, plasterboard, blocked fireplaces — to reveal 450-year-old beams, Victorian elm floorboards, a fossil in the grouting, and one of the most atmospheric interiors in Dorset. The episode also covers the history of Shaftesbury, the legacy of the Ridley Scott Hovis advertisement, what it means to restore a Grade II listed building, and why Gold Hill remains one of the most unchanged streets in England. Links Button Cottage — Official Website Button Cottage on Airbnb Shaftesbury Town Guide Shaftesbury Abbey Museum & Garden Historic England — Listed Buildings Listed Property Owners Club Farrow & Ball Paint — Dorset The Original Hovis Advert — Ridley Scott (YouTube) Blackmoor Vale, Dorset Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways Gold Hill in Shaftesbury, Dorset — the steep cobbled lane made famous by Ridley Scott's 1970s Hovis bread advertisement — is the place that inspired Jonathan to visit Britain as a teenager and directly led to the founding of Anglotopia. Jonathan and Jackie are returning to stay on the hill for the first time in nearly 10 years. Button Cottage is a genuine 400-year-old property sitting directly on the cobbles of Gold Hill, restored from near-dereliction to authentic period condition by Melanie Fontana and her partner over three years — and it is available to rent on Airbnb. The cottage was comprehensively ruined in the 1970s: beams were covered with plasterboard, the fireplace was blocked and converted to gas, floors were concreted over, and the entire structure was tanked with bitumen tar — stopping the building from "breathing" and trapping damp inside the walls for decades. Stripping back the 1970s layers revealed 450-year-old oak beams still filled with ancient woodworm holes, Victorian elm floorboards underneath later chipboard, layers of wallpaper from the 1950s through the 1980s peeled from the fireplace wall, and a fossil discovered by hand with a pickaxe when the concrete floor was removed — now set into the grouting between the limestone floor tiles. Restoring a Grade II listed building requires using period-appropriate materials throughout: lime plaster (not modern gypsum), limewash or breathable paint, reclaimed stone, and kiln-dried wood for the fireplace. Melanie worked with a conservation architect and joined the Listed Property Owners Club to educate herself before starting work. Shaftesbury is one of England's five highest towns, built on a Saxon hilltop fortification, and its history stretches back over 1,300 years. The Abbey ruins directly outside Button Cottage — founded by Alfred the Great in 888 AD — are a Grade I scheduled monument and entry is free. The Hovis advertisement, directed by Ridley Scott before he became famous, still draws visitors from around the world to Gold Hill — some of whom walk up the hill humming the theme tune. Melanie says the town "wears it like a comfortable cardigan" — not overplaying it, not overdeveloping it, just letting the hill exist as it always has. Button Cottage sleeps two (one king bedroom plus a single daybed room), features a working inglenook fireplace split into two halves by 1970s alterations, Victorian elm floorboards, 450-year-old beams, a ground-floor shower room, a kitchen with reclaimed pine floors, and a walled garden with views over the Blackmoor Vale. Melanie offers a genuinely personal hosting experience: she meets guests on arrival, shows them how everything works, customizes the welcome pack based on dietary preferences, and provides seasonal gifts — currently Prosecco and Dorset Apple Cake in summer, red wine and local cheese in winter. Gold Hill itself has barely changed in centuries — historical paintings and photographs from every era show the same street, the same rooflines, the same Abbey wall. It is, as Jonathan puts it, a place that simply doesn't change — and that is precisely why it means so much. Soundbites "As a teenager in Indiana, I bought a poster at Hobby Lobby called Gold Hill Dorset. And hung it on my wall next to my bed and looked at it every single morning and thought — one day I'm gonna go there." — Jonathan on the image that started it all. "My partner got on his phone and Googled to see if there was anything for sale. And this little cottage, the cutest of all the cottages, was for sale. We went home, got on the phone, booked a viewing, and we just wanted to snap it up right away." — Melanie on falling in love with Gold Hill on an Easter weekend. "It was very much spoiled in the 1970s. The beams were covered, all the woodwork was covered with modern plasterboard. The walls were plastered with modern plaster. It was actually really, really damp — because it had been tanked with bitumen tar." — Melanie on what they found when they bought the cottage. "To find those beams and to touch them and to know they're approximately 450 years old is just goosebump. They are filled with ancient woodworm holes from centuries ago and they're just beautiful." — Melanie on the moment the ceiling came down. "When he dug up the concrete floor by hand with a pickaxe, he found a fossil. And he's settled the fossil into the grouting next to the limestone floor tiles just in between the living room and kitchen. So it's there for people to see." — Melanie on one of the cottage's most extraordinary discoveries. "The old-fashioned building techniques are fantastic because what they do is they allow a cottage like this to absorb moisture and then release moisture according to the weather patterns. It just breathes just like we do." — Melanie on why modern materials damage historic buildings. "The town wears it like a comfortable cardigan. It hasn't been overdone, it hasn't been presented in a certain way. Nobody's out there polishing cobbles. The cobbles just exist. The cottages just exist." — Melanie on Shaftesbury's relationship with the Hovis advertisement. "People tell me it's really relaxing and it feels like it gives you a hug. When they tell me they didn't wake up till 11am the next morning and they actually missed meeting up with their friends because they just slept and slept and slept." — Melanie on guests' reactions to the cottage. "It is my first time, although I do have a history a long long time ago — my first career was in hospitality. So I've done restaurant catering, functions, dinner dances. And this is just a little bit like that but without having to do any cooking." — Melanie on her background and why Button Cottage felt like a natural fit. "I'm almost as emotional as they are, honestly. So many people feel the history and they see it as a quintessentially English place to be, to drink in. I just feel really proud of what we've done here." — Melanie on welcoming guests who have a deep connection to Gold Hill. Chapters 00:21 Introduction & Big Announcement — Jonathan reveals he and Mrs. Anglotopia are returning to Gold Hill 01:10 The Poster on the Bedroom Wall — How Gold Hill in Shaftesbury inspired a teenager in Indiana and started Anglotopia 02:24 Welcome to Melanie Fontana — Owner and restorer of Button Cottage 02:47 Love at First Sight — How Melanie and her partner discovered Gold Hill on an Easter weekend and bought the cottage on the spot 04:02 Buying in 2019 — Purchasing just before the pandemic and the frustration of not being able to start work 04:59 The Restoration Philosophy — Reverting to original as far as possible, using period materials, and letting the building breathe 07:32 What They Found Inside — A cottage comprehensively ruined by the 1970s: plasterboard, blocked fireplaces, concrete floors, and bitumen tar 08:45 The Discoveries — 450-year-old beams, Victorian elm floorboards, layers of wallpaper, a fossil in the floor, and wood from a market chest 13:05 The Name Button Cottage — Cute as a button, and Shaftesbury's history as a center of the hand-embroidered button-making industry 14:58 Gold Hill and Shaftesbury — One of England's five highest towns, Saxon origins, greenstone buildings, independent shops, and the worldwide renowned countryside bookshop 19:35 The Silence of Shaftesbury — What Jonathan loves most, and Shaftesbury as a microcosm of English history 20:12 The Abbey Ruin Wall — A Grade I scheduled monument founded by Alfred the Great in 888 AD, right outside the front door 22:24 Shaftesbury Abbey — Free to visit, picnics welcome, one of the biggest and richest abbeys in medieval England before the Reformation 23:48 The Hovis Advertisement — Ridley Scott, how Gold Hill became globally famous, visitors who come humming the theme tune, and the town's quietly confident relationship with its own fame 26:57 Restoring a Listed Building — Planning restrictions, lime plaster, the Listed Property Owners Club, and materials of the time 29:00 The Biggest Challenge — Bitumen tar in the bathroom and fireplace, and why chemicals are sometimes unavoidable 32:57 The Inglenook F

    Return to Gold Hill – The Hovis Hill Cottage You Can Rent — Melanie Fontana on Restoring Button Cottage

  8. Jun 19

    Anglotopia Podcast: Episode 100 – Britain, America & Chicago: A Conversation with His Majesty’s Consul General Richard Hyde

    In this special on-location episode of the Anglotopia Podcast, recorded at the Chicago History Museum on the occasion of His Majesty the King's official birthday, Jonathan Thomas sits down with Richard Hyde — His Majesty's Consul General in Chicago and the senior British diplomatic representative across 14 states in the American Midwest. Speaking just before the British Consulate's King's Birthday Garden Party, Richard explains what a Consul General actually does, why Britain doesn't have a National Day, how he approaches representing modern Britain to the heartland of America, and what King Charles's address to a joint session of Congress meant for the Special Relationship. The conversation also uncovers a remarkable piece of Anglo-Chicago history: after the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, Queen Victoria and 8,000 British donors — including Disraeli, Tennyson, and John Stuart Mill — sent books to Chicago, directly founding the Chicago Public Library. Plus: the Beatles, Frank Lloyd Wright's Welsh roots, Abraham Lincoln's North Wales ancestry, and why Chicago is Richard's favorite city in the world. Note: We had originally planned to do a 100th Q&A for our 100th episode, but a much bigger opportunity arose last week, which we thought was more fitting. We'll do the Q&A soon! Links British Consulate General Chicago Website UK In Chicago on Instagram British Consulate General Chicago on X/Twitter British Embassy Washington DC UK Government in the USA Chicago History Museum Chicago Public Library Foundation Hawksmoor Chicago Celtic Crossings Chicago Chicago Shakespeare Theater America 250 Friends of Anglotopia Club Takeaways The United Kingdom is one of the only countries in the world without an official National Day — which is why British consulates abroad use the King's official birthday in June as their annual celebration, conveniently timed to coincide with Trooping the Colour. Richard Hyde covers 14 American states as Consul General — roughly 25% of the entire United States — including 105 members of the House of Representatives and 28 senators, making the Midwest a critical region for understanding where American politics is heading. After the Great Chicago Fire of 1871, Queen Victoria personally led a donation drive that saw 8,000 British donors — including Benjamin Disraeli, Alfred Lord Tennyson, and John Stuart Mill — send books to Chicago, directly founding the Chicago Public Library. Victoria's personally signed copy of a biography of Prince Albert is still in the library's special collection. King Charles's address to a joint session of Congress during his America 250 visit was, in Richard's assessment, a masterclass in diplomatic communication — speaking to shared values rather than political divisions and reminding both nations of the deep historical thread connecting Magna Carta to the US Constitution. Frank Lloyd Wright's family were Welsh; Abraham Lincoln's great-great-grandfather came from a small village in North Wales just 40 miles from Richard's hometown of Liverpool; and Anish Kapoor — who designed Chicago's Cloud Gate Bean — is British. Britain's cultural fingerprints are everywhere in Chicago. The British Consulate deliberately chose the Chicago History Museum and the Chicago Public Library Foundation as partners for this year's King's Birthday event to honor the Victorian book donation story — and encouraged guests to donate to the Foundation in the spirit of Queen Victoria's original gesture. Richard argues that British culture in America is simultaneously everywhere and invisible — so deeply embedded in American music, film, language, and history that most Americans don't register it as foreign. The Beatles are the perfect example: four working-class kids from Liverpool whose music plays in every country in the world, including a Chinese restaurant in Somalia in 1998. The Special Relationship, Richard says, is ultimately about 80% agreement — both countries share fundamental values on democracy, freedom, and human rights, and the disagreements, while loud, are at the margins. King Charles's Congress speech focused on that 80%. Richard's most unexpected discovery in Chicago: Midwesterners are the most authentically friendly people he's encountered in 10 overseas postings. They follow up. They text you. They actually become your friends — not just professional contacts. Richard's message to young Americans: spend time abroad. Not a two-week vacation, but a semester, a few months, living in someone else's culture. It will change how you see America — and make you appreciate it far more deeply. Soundbites "I like to joke that Chicago is one of America's two great cities with proper downtowns. Everywhere else is sprawl. But the difference is — in Chicago, the people are nice, the streets are clean, and the food's better." — Richard on why Chicago stands apart. "We're celebrating America 250. We're celebrating the fact that this is the greatest startup in history. We argued a little bit and there was some spilled tea — and despite all of that, 250 years on, no two countries do more together in the world." — Richard on Britain's approach to America 250. "Queen Victoria and 8,000 British donors sent books to Chicago after the Great Fire of 1871 — and that donation directly led to the founding of the Chicago Public Library. Victoria's signed copy is still there. It's a gesture from 1871 that still resonates now." — Richard on the Anglo-Chicago library story. "The King rises above the moment. He was able to come at a challenging time in our relationship and remind Americans — and remind Brits — that there are fundamentally more important things than the moment we're in. And that is our shared values." — Richard on King Charles's Congress speech. "I've been all around the world. I've never really been a great theater-goer. But Ed Hall at the Chicago Shakespeare Theatre has kind of infected me. I've become addicted to theater." — Richard on an unexpected Chicago conversion. "The flag in the United States is the symbol of their liberty. Our flag was created from existing countries we already had. So Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland — the Union flag is basically a combination of four different crosses. We didn't have to fight for it." — Richard on why Brits and Americans relate to their flags so differently. "I've lived here almost two years. Of all the places I've lived, this is the easiest place in the world to actually build a network of friends. You can stand in a bar and someone starts talking to you about the Cubs and fundamentally how terrible everyone is at the moment — and they actually follow up." — Richard on Midwestern friendliness. "The longer I stay away and the more I've represented my country overseas, the prouder I am of that country. Warts and all. I'm proud of the history — even the complicated history. You have to understand it, not erase it." — Richard on representing Britain from a distance. "I have to say — I saw Hamilton recently and the best character in Hamilton is the King. Everyone agrees. He has the best songs." — Richard on George III stealing the show. "If you ever get a chance to travel — and I say this to a lot of young Americans — don't mean a two-week vacation. Go spend a semester abroad. Go spend a few months in somebody else's culture. And you'll understand A, that the country you love isn't perfect. But the longer you think about it, the more you'll appreciate what your country does." — Richard's message to young Americans. Chapters 00:21 Introduction — Jonathan sets the scene at the Chicago History Museum on King's Birthday 01:36 Welcome from Richard Hyde — The occasion, Chicago, and what the day means 01:58 Richard's Background — Liverpool, an Indian father, and a career that took him to India, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Texas, and Chicago 02:47 What Surprised Richard Most About Chicago — Midwest vs. Texas, great food, accessibility, and why Chicago rivals New York 04:44 British Things in Chicago — Hawksmoor, Celtic Crossings, Irish pubs, and a Sunday roast worth traveling for 07:08 What Does a Consul General Actually Do? — The difference from an ambassador, 14 states, 25% of the US, and what the job really looks like day to day 10:25 Representing Modern Britain — Multicultural, proud, complicated history, and the gap between Downton Abbey and reality 11:30 The Scope of the Midwest Region — 105 House members, 28 senators, and listening to farmers in South Dakota 15:22 What Is the King's Official Birthday? — Why Britain has no National Day and how the official birthday fills that gap 17:42 The Anglo-Chicago Library Story — The Great Fire of 1871, Queen Victoria, 8,000 British donors, Disraeli, Tennyson, and the founding of the Chicago Public Library 19:49 Chicago's Literary Heritage — Hemingway, Carnegie libraries, and the bookishness of the Midwest 20:15 America 250 — Celebrating the greatest startup in history, spilled tea, and why Britain is all in 22:20 The Founding Fathers as British People — A nuance most Americans don't consider 22:33 King George III in Hamilton — Richard's verdict: the best character, the best songs 23:07 King Charles's Address to Congress — What it meant, how it landed, and the 80% agreement principle 26:02 Getting the King to Chicago — Deep dish dreams and the challenge of a royal itinerary 26:36 The Anglo-Chicago Connection — Frank Lloyd Wright's Welsh roots, Lincoln's North Wales ancestry, Anish Kapoor's Bean, and why British culture in America is invisible because it's everywhere 29:14 The Transatlantic Flow Goes Both Ways — Charles Yerkes and the London Underground, Gordon Selfridge, and Chicago's British legacy 29:46 Does Representing Brit

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