11/25/2024

#9 Zak Stein: Avoid AI dystopia, solve the metacrisis. Education beyond schooling. The Eye of Value.

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth Episode details (English): https://www.patreon.com/posts/116687202 Episode details (Finnish): https://www.patreon.com/posts/116690026 Episode 9: Philosopher of education and futurist Zak Stein. This episode was recorded on March 12, 2024. Video version: https://youtu.be/6OOCLUijhZQ Download mp3 on Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/9-zak-stein Spotify: https://spoti.fi/4g4tx6c Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3AV7xM8 RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:02:18 AI and metacrisis. 00:05:13 Technology and humanity. 00:09:04 Both centralized and decentralized solutions. 00:15:42 What is education? 00:18:43 The uniqueness of human learning. 00:23:24 The dialectic between learning and education. 00:27:27 Reading is not seeing is not hearing. 00:32:48 A catastrophe that will be hard to recognize until it's too late. 00:36:32 Intrinsic values. 00:39:37 Love – the last value standing? 00:48:29 The Eye of Value and vulnerable forms of life. 00:51:37 The infinite value of a tree. 00:54:59 Desires. 00:59:53 Truth without experts. 01:05:17 Postmodernism and values. 01:08:26 Beyond postmodernism. 01:17:29 Planetary culture superstructure. 01:22:44 Social media and the pressure to have a public opinion. 01:26:33 The proper value of education, learning and technology. 01:28:13 Afterword Zak's web page https://www.zakstein.org/ The Consilience Project https://consilienceproject.org Zak's book Education in a Time Between Worlds https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/44125536-education-in-a-time-between-worlds Zak in Emerge podcast (episode AI Tutor Acocalypse) https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/zak-stein-ai-tutor-apocalypse/id1057220344?i=1000610403148 Scott Alexander's article Love and Liberty https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/love-and-liberty Zak's essay on the Eye of Value: https://www.zakstein.org/uploads/1/4/2/4/142408092/opening_the_eye_of_value_stein_2024.pdf David Chapman's Meaningness https://meaningness.com ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth X: https://x.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

1h 28m

01/20/2024

#8 Erika Dyck: History of LSD, propaganda, moral panics, Osmond and Huxley, Native American Church

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth Episode details: https://www.patreon.com/posts/96851116 My Finnish Patreon page http://patreon.com/soinnunmaanhenry Episode 8: Erika Dyck, professor of the history of medicine at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada. This episode was recorded on November 25th, 2024. Video version: https://youtu.be/OFEie24ocN8 Download mp3 on Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/8-erika-dyck Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3vMgsfV Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3S8KvWt RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 In this episode... 00:00:47 Foreword 00:03:16 How Erika started doing LSD research 00:05:38 Neglected areas of LSD research 00:09:01 LSD research in Saskatchewan 00:15:26 Canada's involvement in World Wars 00:17:43 Humphry Osmond, LSD research pioneer 00:22:25 Etymology of "hallucinogen" 00:27:52 What is (a) psychedelic? 00:31:32 Origin story of "psychedelic" 00:34:15 Psychedelics and new cognitive categories 00:41:06 Interdisciplinary psychedelic conferences 00:42:53 Psychedelic ethics 00:47:32 Osmond and Saskatchewan 00:56:42 Native American Church 00:59:31 Psychedelics and reductionism 01:05:27 Peyote rituals and history of NAC 01:16:56 Psychedelic therapy and ceremony 01:22:26 Myths about indigenous use of psychedelics 01:27:12 Psychedelics, schizophrenia and AA 01:34:54 LSD inspired architecture 01:42:25 Huxleys 01:52:04 Neglected women in historical narratives 02:01:22 Rita and Al Hubbard 02:14:26 Sidney Cohen and side effects of LSD 02:19:39 Psychedelic backlash 02:27:12 Moral panics 02:34:03 Drugs – genuine concern or convenient scapegoats? 02:42:11 Unpredictability of psychedelics 02:51:27 Better drug education 02:55:49 Drug propaganda and institutions 02:58:32 Hype and psychedelic philanthropy 03:04:47 End of the first wave of psychedelic research 03:14:00 Final questions 03:17:57 Afterword Erika's X https://t.ly/9KtSx Erika's LinkedIn https://t.ly/22i2A Erika's university page https://t.ly/xrFz1 Osmond's and Smythie's Schizophrenia: A New Approach https://t.ly/c_4Nl Erika's book Psychedelic Psychiatry: LSD from Clinic to Campus https://t.ly/9Q3QL The Hallucinogens by Hoffer and Osmond https://t.ly/YPlKL Rick Doblin's psychedelic house https://t.ly/weel2 Noidan käsikirja (Usborne Guide to the Supernatural World) https://t.ly/cST3U Sidney Cohen's 1960 paper https://t.ly/YYerw Sidney Cohen's 1962 paper https://t.ly/V80f5 Sidney Cohen's 1963 paper https://t.ly/bB2ef Stuart Hall Moral panic book https://t.ly/sK1rF Pace and Devenot on right-wing psychedelia https://t.ly/6mbDe ----- Curious on Earth crafts slower media in an era of one-minute attention spans. Host Henry Soinnunmaa is a Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth X: https://x.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

3h 18m

11/22/2023

#7 Huck Middeke: Survival, wilderness, Nomad Town, living in a yurt, resilience hubs

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth My thoughts on / introduction to the episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/93324871 My Finnish Patreon page mentioned on the podcast: http://patreon.com/soinnunmaanhenry Episode 7: Wilderness guide, survival expert, sustainability consult and critical system thinker Huck Middeke. This episode was recorded on Sep 25th, 2023 Video version: https://youtu.be/y3iB_zHRE4o Download mp3 on Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/7-huck-middeke Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3G9TQHZ Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3MTqly2 RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:08:06 Introduction 00:10:34 What is a yurt? 00:19:54 The backstory of Huck's yurt 00:27:11 Yurt practicalities 00:35:43 Huck's basic premises 00:42:29 Circles of awareness and disturbance 00:54:57 We don't know what a sustainable lifestyle looks like 01:03:40 Do humans have a fundamental need to push their limits? 01:08:24 Exploration and the power of the individual 01:18:00 "Normal" lifestyles as an addiction 01:21:05 Superyachts 01:40:23 An intergenerationally sustainable lifestyle cannot be taught 01:47:52 Communities and illusions of independence 01:58:21 Exploring the edge of your comfort zone 02:04:45 Overshoot 02:08:27 You cannot force people into a lifeboat 02:23:06 Will there be a hi-tech civilization in a 100, 1000 or million years? 02:34:00 Celebrating lo-tech 02:42:20 Becoming an interplanetary species 02:55:12 Formula 1 and technological progress 03:05:23 Overshoot and nature deficit disorder 03:11:26 Forest destruction and protection 03:17:38 Nonlinear and slow forest time 03:22:34 Nature connection exercise 03:26:58 How Huck became a wilderness guide 03:36:15 What does a wilderness guide do? 03:45:40 The meaning of the wild 04:01:56 Fear in the wild 04:06:28 What Huck's wilderness sessions entail 04:21:10 Six survival priorities 04:24:40 Barefoot walking and cold exposure 04:40:51 Nomad Town 04:49:01 Creating electricity with a bike 04:51:47 Shared permanent living in Nomad Town 04:57:55 The yurt doesn't need to be warmed up all the time 05:03:02 Clever yurt hacks and other practicalities 05:10:33 Resilience hubs 05:14:17 Defining resilience 05:18:47 Types of survival situations 05:25:15 What to do in a survival situation & the STOP tool 05:32:42 Full moon full stop 05:47:29 The most important survival skills 05:51:56 Survivalism and preppers 05:55:30 Primitivism 06:00:14 Progress 06:03:32 Is there moral progress? 06:06:29 Roots 06:09:32 Fatherhood as biased responsibility 06:12:12 Initiation rites 06:14:52 Short final questions 06:09:11 Afterword Huck's Linkedin: https://t.ly/GdRrH Huck's Youtube https://t.ly/pHo9P Nordic by Nature https://www.nordicbynature.net Syvä työ – hyvä työ -kirja https://t.ly/8qT0f Viznut's text about permacomputing https://t.ly/9fsog Viznut on the Ihmisiä, siis eläimiä podcast https://t.ly/NUzEt ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

09/18/2023

#6 Neil Woods: Violence, corruption and moral injuries caused by fighting the war on drugs.

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth My thoughts on / introduction to the episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/89445902 Episode 6: Neil Woods, former UK police officer and undercover drugs operative. This episode was recorded on March 9th, 2023. Video version: https://youtu.be/kBokFgQ6gP4 Download mp3 on Soundcloud: Download mp3 on Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/6-neil-woods Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3PFz5JZ Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/44UarK4 RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:02:22 How a cop started opposing the drug war 00:05:26 In the beginning, Neil was a terrible cop 00:08:41 You can't talk your way through every conflict 00:11:02 Neil's pioneering undercover work in the UK 00:16:04 Why didn't UK cops learn from US cops? 00:20:14 Opposing approaches to doing undercover work 00:22:41 What people don't know about undercover work 00:27:12 The first time Neil thought he would die 00:30:35 Neil was a good liar. 00:32:41 Difficult ethical conclusions 00:34:27 When you can tell no one what you're doing 00:38:58 Neil's abusive relationship 00:43:19 Vicious encounters with The Burger Bar Boys 00:50:23 What you don't include in your reports 00:55:31 The knife in the groin 01:00:09 Neil's relationship with mortality and trauma 01:06:15 Neil and adrenaline 01:08:37 Saved by instinct and spontaneous aggression 01:16:28 Weaponizing empathy 01:21:16 How Neil and his colleagues harmed people and justified it 01:25:28 Does the militarization of police increase security? 01:33:05 Neil's shocking police corruption story 01:36:43 Instinct 01:39:16 Manipulating vulnerable people 01:42:34 Neil's systematic ruthlessness 01:44:40 Why do intelligent people disagree with Neil on the drug war? 01:51:12 Have the effects of cannabis legalization been a disappointment? 01:54:53 Disadvantaged people bear the burden of the drug war 01:57:35 Prince Harry's comments on psychedelics 02:00:53 How Neil decided to stop being a cop 02:05:55 Policy are leading drug law reform in the UK 02:08:32 Neil – public enemy number one 02:10:32 Short final questions 02:18:25 Afterword LEAP's (Law Enforcement Action Partnership) web page https://t.ly/YlCx_ Neil's web page https://t.ly/gjGeP Neil's Twitter https://twitter.com/wudzee0 Neil's books on Goodreads https://t.ly/gKB23 The Heroic Hearts project https://t.ly/hC1hU Jason Reed's Stop and Search podcast https://t.ly/wMUXB ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

2h 19m

08/16/2023

#5 Jeronimo M.M. Unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance – and thinking beyond

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth My thoughts on / introduction to the episode: https://www.patreon.com/posts/87779598 Episode 5: Jeronimo Mazarrasa, social innovation director at ICEERS. This episode was recorded on March 6th, 2023. Video version: https://youtu.be/4NRy2fQQi2A Download mp3 on Soundcloud: http://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/5-jeronimo-mm Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3OD1IG3 Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/44jXKbe RSS: https://t.ly/GiVyo 00:00:00 Foreword 00:02:38 Introduction and Jeronimo's work with ICEERS 00:06:03 What is ayahuasca, and why is this a difficult question? 00:13:14 Ayahuasca as an adaptogen 00:17:40 Preserving and transforming traditions 00:22:51 Difficulties in integrating sacred plants 00:35:09 Yoga, meditation and the stripping of cultural contexts 00:41:48 The collective and communal aspects of ayahuasca practices 00:50:50 Local identity and ancestors 00:58:30 The dark side of glamorizing indigenous traditions 01:10:21 Modern initiation rituals 01:16:44 Psychedelics and the ethics of touch 01:22:54 The role of mentorship and apprenticeship 01:36:35 Tribes and tribalism 01:45:19 Relationships between indigenous and western cultures 01:51:46 Tourism destroys what it looks for 02:01:59 The tensions between individuals and communities 02:13:08 New age, globalization and populism 02:25:44 The unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance 02:44:19 After the renaissance, the enlightenment 02:51:33 Ayahuasca accidents, deaths and media panic 03:00:00 Envisioning a positive psychedelic future 03:07:57 Comparing ayahuasca to other risky activities 03:16:20 Proceeding slowly, responding to moral panics 03:24:31 Better ayahuasca practices 03:36:00 Ayahuasca and consent – tricky 03:42:55 The dangers of "ayahuasca told me" 03:55:24 Ayahuasca and narcissists 04:03:42 Brazilian ayahuasca churches 04:15:03 Infrastructural and financial aspects of ayahuasca churches 04:23:04 Innocently disrespectful psychedelic tourists 04:33:05 William Gibson and the starfish 04:41:11 The Ayahuasca Defense Fund 04:45:57 Meaning, disenchantment and psychedelic adaptogens 04:49:17 Psychedelics are hard to categorize 04:54:56 Jeronimo's separation ritual 04:56:51 Forgetting who we are 05:00:51 Short final questions 05:07:29 Afterword Adam Curtis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis A collection of Jeronimo's talks and interviews https://t.ly/VURFn Jeronimo's film with Bruce Parry, Tawai: A Voice From the Forest https://www.tawai.earth Jeronimo's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ayadox ICEERS: web page https://www.iceers.org/ ICEERS: Safety and Integration courses https://iceersacademy.mykajabi.com ICEERS: "Towards Better Ayahuasca Practices" guide https://t.ly/N4gAu ICEERS: Twitter https://twitter.com/NGO_ICEERS ICEERS: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/weareiceers/ ICEERS: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/ICEERS/ ICEERS: Telegram https://t.me/ICEERS ADF: Twitter https://twitter.com/DefendAyahuasca ADF: Facebook https://www.facebook.com/defendayahuasca/ ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

5h 8m

11/04/2022

#4 Ethan Nadelmann. Drug policy, corruption and authoritarianism

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth Episode 4: Ethan Nadelmann, founder and former executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance and host of the Psychoactive podcast. This episode was recorded on July 20th, 2022. Video version: https://youtu.be/c0_X6qdVgic Download mp3 on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/curiousonearth/4-ethan-nadelmann Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3fxHaRL Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3sZy6bi RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:02:04 Ethan and Finland. 00:02:47 Ethan's interest in drugs. 00:05:09 Cannabis, psychedelics and drug policy activism. 00:08:07 Psychedelic exceptionalism. 00:11:07 US Constitution and freedom. 00:15:31 Drugs and poison in Portugal. 00:17:26 The Founding Fathers and drug policy. 00:21:31 Freedom of religion and drug use? 00:27:50 Ethan's interest in drug policy reform. 00:32:11 Does the drug war equal prohibition? 00:34:18 Drug war rhetoric in the Philippines. 00:38:30 Drug policy, racism and stigmatization. 00:43:38 Jewish roots as a motivational force. 00:49:49 Drugs and the Third Reich. 00:55:49 Recognizing the end of the drug war. 01:01:12 The war on e-cigarettes. 01:08:47 Snus and nicotine harm reduction. 01:14:11 Black market cannabis after legalization. 01:22:33 Why does prohibition make organized crime more violent? 01:27:20 More effective policing, more violent gangs. 01:34:59 The drug war makes cops stupid and corrupt. 01:39:24 Finnish cops and drug policy reform. 01:44:18 The rise of American neo-fascism. 01:53:10 Reform and anti-drug conservatives. 02:02:28 Liberty, freedom and the left. 02:06:40 Should all drugs be legally regulated? 02:10:52 A dark legalization scenario. 02:14:00 The idea of "a drug free world" as a form of totalitarianism. 02:17:40 Short final questions. 02:22:49 Afterword Ethan's Twitter https://twitter.com/ethannadelmann The Psychoactive podcast https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-psychoactive-84544756 Drug Policy Alliance's web site https://drugpolicy.org/ Drug Policy Alliance's Twitter https://twitter.com/DrugPolicyOrg ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

2h 24m

08/27/2022

#3 Stephen Jenkinson. Death phobia, grief and elderhood in a time of trouble

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth Episode 3: Worker, author, musician, storyteller and culture activist Stephen Jenkinson This episode was recorded on May 25th, 2022 Video version: https://youtu.be/U8HOlrHffZs Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3TkhZRw RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:04:04 A culture that doesn't believe in endings or limitations. Machines and tools. 00:09:06 Tere Vadén, syntytieto and addiction to progress. 00:13:21 Elders and the alchemy of crafting wine. 00:17:10 The rough start of Henry's parenthood and diminishment. 00:20:41 Wisdom and elderhood 00:24:50 Particularity, locality and farming. 00:28:55 Leisure, parenthood and priorities. 00:33:16 Parenting in a sane culture. 00:39:27 Children, temporarity and community 00:44:11 Health and meaning 00:47:20 A wake. Becoming an ancestor. 00:51:02 Embracing ambivalence and temporariness. 00:54:53 What in our behavior shows that we really know that we are dying? 01:02:42 Death avoidance. 01:08:57 Griefwalker and parents faced with the prospect of a dying child. 01:15:10 Grief illiteracy and death phobia. Loving when there's no forever. 01:26:38 Short final questions. 01:31:25 Afterword Other keywords: Hands Prejudice Parentling Village Clarity Humility Mastery Vagrancy Uncertainty Prayer Links: James W. Jesso's podcast Adventures Through the Mind https://www.jameswjesso.com/podcast Stephen's book Die Wise https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22716546-die-wise Griefwalker, a documentary on Stephen's work https://www.nfb.ca/film/griefwalker Stephen's page Orphan Wisdom https://orphanwisdom.com/ Orphan Wisdom's Facebook https://www.facebook.com/orphanwisdom ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Some topics and keywords: deep time, cognition, creativity, mental health, technology, religion, play, ecology, sexuality, slowing down, AI, wisdom, cold swimming, reality tunnels, movement, stillness, psychedelics, antifragility, conscientiousness, beginner mindset, political polarization, pratītyasamutpāda, magic, music, game b, altered states of consciousness, commitment, BJJ, decentralization, energy policy, dance, language, adulting, drug policy, meditation, metamodernism, meaning crisis, neurodiversity, emergence, honesty, sensemaking, animalness, (post)rationality, media, death, love. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

1h 32m

11/26/2021

#2 Emil Ejner Friis. Metamodernism. Hanzi Freinacht. Both/and. Human development. Beyond cynicism.

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth Episode #2: Theory artist Emil Ejner Friis who's strangely involved with Hanzi Freinacht's very inspiring books The Listening Society and The Nordic Ideology. This episode was recorded on Oct 13, 2021 Video version: https://youtu.be/g8CBgfvkjv4 Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3FNvykR Apple podcasts: https://apple.co/3CVqCIM RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:05:08 Introduction. 00:05:39 What is a listening society? 00:11:18 Polarization and metamodern bridgebuilding. Understanding developmental stages and value memes. 00:16:17 Learning to talk with people who you disagree with and that as a privilege. 00:19:55 Effective value memes and the relationship between modernism, postmodernism and metamodernism. 00:26:03 Happiness and its critics. 00:28:30 Categorizing metamodernism. 00:32:20 Criticisms of stage theories. Multiplicity of paradigms. 00:37:34 The flat earth rabbit hole and epistemic disagreements. Gandhi and attractors. 00:43:51 Metamodernism and new sincerity. Both both/and and either/or thinking. Metamodern movies. 00:50:40 How (not) to become a good metamodern philosopher. Post-cynicism, hope and despair. 00:53:55 David Foster Wallace and real rebels. 00:56:34 Short final questions. 00:59:39 Afterword. Other keywords: Alienation Loneliness Self-actualization Self esteem Gemeinschaft politics Relationships Welfare state Psychological development Integral theory Spiral dynamics Cognitive complexity Happiness Hedonism Suffering Postrationality Game B Metamemes John Vervaeke Daniel Schmachtenberger Postpostmodernism Fatalism Polarities Sincirony Links: Peter Limberg's post mentioning existential ultracatastrophes https://bit.ly/3nRi3dX Nora Bateson's post on stage theories https://bit.ly/3nRi2Xr Future Islands's performance on Letterman https://bit.ly/310UdDp David Foster Wallace quote https://bit.ly/3DVrX3Y Emil Ejner Friis on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/emil.e.friis Hanzi Freinacht on Twitter https://twitter.com/HFreinacht Hanzi Freinacht's Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/HanziFreinacht Hanzi Freinacht's personal Facebook https://bit.ly/3raUrD8 Hanzi's Metamoderna think tank https://metamoderna.org ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Some topics and keywords: deep time, cognition, creativity, mental health, technology, religion, play, ecology, sexuality, slowing down, AI, wisdom, cold swimming, reality tunnels, movement, stillness, psychedelics, antifragility, conscientiousness, beginner mindset, political polarization, pratītyasamutpāda, magic, music, game b, altered states of consciousness, commitment, BJJ, decentralization, energy policy, dance, language, adulting, drug policy, meditation, metamodernism, meaning crisis, neurodiversity, emergence, honesty, sensemaking, animalness, (post)rationality, media, death, love. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

1h 2m

09/27/2021

#1 Marcia Bjornerud. Thinking like a geologist. Kairos. Polytemporality. Timefulness. Deep time.

You can support this podcast on Patreon: http://patreon.com/curiousonearth Episode 1: Professor of geosciences and environmental studies Marcia Bjornerud, the author of Timefulness and Reading the Rocks. This episode was recorded on Sep 16, 2021. Video: https://youtu.be/t_EiXnzMR9U Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3uhlUTl RSS: https://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:879419647/sounds.rss 00:00:00 Foreword 00:02:53 Introduction. How Henry found Marcia's work. 00:04:38 What is the earth? Marcia and science. 00:07:01 What is and isn't geology? 00:09:11 What are pure and applied sciences? 00:11:10 The effects of thinking like a geologist. Timefulness. 00:15:39 Contextualizing geology in education. 00:18:45 Thinking in long timescales. Chronos and kairos. 00:21:19 Examples of things that have taken a billion years. 00:25:38 The impact of oil on or societies. Oil as a hyperobject. No manual for living on this planet. 00:28:18 Hope in solace. Our lack of wisdom. 00:31:35 Viewing oil as sacred. 00:33:06 The Onkalo nuclear waste repository project in Olkiluoto and long-term thinking. 00:36:42 Rocks as nouns instead of verbs. 00:38:57 Thinking of phenomena as processes and systems. Expanding our cultural grammar. 00:42:19 Respecting the power of time, the processes of evolution and natural objects. Healing. 00:44:20 The map of the geological timescale and glorification of the lone genius. 00:47:38 The history of maps and thinking about maps. 00:49:20 What is time and how does Marcia think about it? The earth's creativity. 00:52:13 Time as an illusion. Cartesian dualism and the conflict of axioms. 00:55:44 Marcia's relationship with the future. 00:58:33 Polytemporality. 00:59:57 Samuel Scheffler and the role of yet unborn generations in our life and our sanity. 01:03:00 The secretary of the future. 01:05:23 Short final questions. 01:09:37 Afterword Other keywords: Geography Supercontinents Plate tectonics Pangaia Fossil fuels Materialism Onkalo Olkiluoto Deep time Civilization Deep history The long now Links: Marcia's book Timefulness https://bit.ly/39DH58j Vincent Ialenti's book Deep Time Reckoning https://bit.ly/3zQtB44 Dialogue series "Untangling the Worldknot of Consciousness" by John Vervaeke and Gregg Henriques https://bit.ly/3ufTGIj P. D. James's book The Children of Men https://bit.ly/3ANkkuy ----- Driven by a deep thirst for understanding, Curious on Earth is a slow enough podcast by Henry Soinnunmaa, Finnish musician, writer and amateur generalist. Some topics and keywords: deep time, cognition, creativity, mental health, technology, religion, play, ecology, sexuality, slowing down, AI, wisdom, cold swimming, reality tunnels, movement, stillness, psychedelics, antifragility, conscientiousness, beginner mindset, political polarization, pratītyasamutpāda, magic, music, game b, altered states of consciousness, commitment, BJJ, decentralization, energy policy, dance, language, adulting, drug policy, meditation, metamodernism, meaning crisis, neurodiversity, emergence, honesty, sensemaking, animalness, (post)rationality, media, death, love. Facebook: https://facebook.com/curiousonearth Twitter: https://twitter.com/curiousonearth Instagram: https://instagram.com/curiousonearth

1h 15m

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Episodes

#9 Zak Stein: Avoid AI dystopia, solve the metacrisis. Education beyond schooling. The Eye of Value.

#8 Erika Dyck: History of LSD, propaganda, moral panics, Osmond and Huxley, Native American Church

#7 Huck Middeke: Survival, wilderness, Nomad Town, living in a yurt, resilience hubs

#6 Neil Woods: Violence, corruption and moral injuries caused by fighting the war on drugs.

#5 Jeronimo M.M. Unintended consequences of the psychedelic renaissance – and thinking beyond

#4 Ethan Nadelmann. Drug policy, corruption and authoritarianism

#3 Stephen Jenkinson. Death phobia, grief and elderhood in a time of trouble

#2 Emil Ejner Friis. Metamodernism. Hanzi Freinacht. Both/and. Human development. Beyond cynicism.

#1 Marcia Bjornerud. Thinking like a geologist. Kairos. Polytemporality. Timefulness. Deep time.

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