Imagine an apple

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Imagine an apple

A podcast about our different inner mental experiences. Presented by Vynn Suren and Francis Irving. Why can some people imagine and others can't? How do different people experience emotion? How is our view of our own minds influenced by our culture?

Episodes

  1. Navigating a city with Anna

    JAN 20

    Navigating a city with Anna

    When you navigate a city, what is your inner experience? Do you see detailed overhead maps, or street-level views of landmarks, or neither? Vynn Suren and Francis Irving interview Anna about how she uses her imagination to find routes, program a computer and remember names. Anna describes how she sees both an overhead map view and street-level views of landmarks. She switches between them dynamically. What's a visual map vs a spatial map? What features are salient? What is a waypoint? How do the imagined maps vary in quality between different cities? What does the marker look like that shows where you are? There's then a discussion about how people work out the route to take on the map, and what happens when they get lost. What's the inner experience of being lost? How do you find yourself again? The conversation switches to use of imagination while computer programming. Anna describes the abstract concepts she sees in a spatial structure. What then happens  when you're interrupted? Does this apply to other tasks, e.g. getting quotes for insurance? To wrap up, the team talk about names and faces and how well people remember them. If you visualise writing is it serif or sans-serif, is it white or grey? Timestamps: 00:55 Imagine an apple 02:17 Inner background music 05:00 Navigating a city 08:26 Spatial vs visual 11:07 Finding the best route 20:17 Typical waypoints 22:49 Sense of direction 26:33 Getting lost 30:18 Variety of experience while navigating 34:08 Imagination while computer programming 38:56 Interruptions 41:02 Smoky grey shapes of thinking 44:35 Inner experience during collaborative tasks 46:29 Remembering names and faces Show Links: * This isn't f***ing Dalston! [https://sites.google.com/view/tifd/home] - mapping the cognitive boundaries of part of London * The Image of the City [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image_of_the_City] - book about how people make mental maps * Mind's Eye Mentorship [https://www.gorcdc.com/visualization-training] - 1:1 coaching, used to be called AphantasiaMeow * Guugu Yimithirr language [https://www.naturalnavigator.com/news/2010/09/guugu-yimithirr/] - uses north/south where English uses left/right * Country Driving by Peter Hessler [https://www.peterhessler.net/country-driving/] - getting lost in rural China * Statistics of mental imagery by Francis Galton [https://galton.org/essays/1880-1889/galton-1880-mind-statistics-mental-imagery.pdf] - either this, or William James referencing it, mentions the smokey grey shapes * 1946 birth cohort study [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Survey_of_Health_%26_Development] - NHS research project Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus] Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    54 min

  2. 10/29/2024

    Spiritual experience with Jessica Corneille

    Welcome to another episode of "Imagine an apple"! In this episode, we tackle the issue of spiritual experience. How do these vary between individuals, and how do they vary between human cultures? Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus] Timestamps: 01:40 What are spiritual experiences? 03:30 Oneness with the Universe 05:30 Nondual experience with Vynn 08:20 Rejection from life goals triggering nondual experience 09:30 Jessica's move to Madrid and starting new job 10:49 Lucid dreaming 14:01 Hearing voices 19:20 Changing perceptions of reality 20:15 Scales of enlightenment experience 21:00 What were you reading? 22:02 Alan Watts and Buddhist Koans 23:30 Effing the ineffable 25:28 "I am God!" 27:27 The experience of love 30:15 How do you live day to day? 34:26 Psychedelics 35:35 Sense of self 38:15 Research on spiritual experience 41:15 Neurophenomenology 43:00 Mental health disorders associated with spiritual experiences 44:05 Vocabulary around mental experience 45:00 EPRC Emergent Phenomenology Research Consortium 45:50 Kundalini Awakenings 48:40 Wrapping up 49:00 Can you recognize another? Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    52 min
  3. Dragons coming from the pavement

    09/05/2024

    Dragons coming from the pavement

    What are the limits of our imagination? Can we imagine an apple 100 miles away, or a sound higher pitched that we can hear? Can we project our imaginations into our actual vision? Vynn and Francis are interviewed by video games designer Berbank Green. He stretches our imagination with a series of exercises (see full list below). Can you imagine a smell that knocks you out? Can you imagine an apple as large as the moon? How accurate are our imaginations? Berbank describes his "prophantasic" ability to put an imagined apple on the actual table in his real vision, and how he used this in childhood. Timestamps: 00:48 Detail of imagining an apple 05:10 Imagining a distant apple 09:00 An eagle's perception 11:18 Microscopic and earth-sized apples 16:13 Thinking of lots of apples at once 19:30 4D apples 23:48 Inner experience of designing a video game 27:07 Imagining emotions in video games 30:35 Limits of audio imagination 35:17 Prophantasia - imagining things in the real world 40:10 Imagining being something else 51:40 Noticing where language comes from 57:23 Dreaming and the subconscious 64:02 Apple having an eccentric British accent Show Links: * Teach Your Monster to Read [https://www.teachyourmonster.org/] - a video game Berbank made * Berbank's Twitter account [https://twitter.com/berbank] * Miegakure [https://miegakure.com/] - a true 4D puzzle-platforming game * Fire Kasina with Jane Flowers [https://zencastr.com/z/BhH1iPLN] - earlier episode of this podcast * Consider Phlebas [https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/iain-m-banks-3/consider-phlebas/9780356521633/] - novel with mind fragmenting Berbank's Imagination Exercises: Imagine an apple - what does it look like? - where is it? - can you smell it? - taste it? - feel how heavy it is? - does it make you remember anything? OK now test limits: - Can you see the apple if it's behind you? - How far away can you make the apple before you can't see it?   - What is your perspective of the apple at this distance? - How small can you imagine that apple?   - What happens when it gets too small?   - How heavy is that?   - Can you make it lighter?   - Can you feel how light your max imagination is? - How large can you imagine it?   - What happens when it gets too large?   - How heavy is that?   - Can you make it heavier?   - Can you feel how heavy your max imagination is? - How many apples can you think of at once? - How powerful can you make the smell of the apple?   - Can you imagine it to the point where it's overwhelming? - Can you imagine a 4 dimensional apple? - Can you imagine an apple that has a face?   - That's actually in front of you?   - That's floating in front of you with sparkling effects and crackling lightning?   - That's talking to you in an eccentric British accent? etc. etc Contact Details: Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus] Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme by: @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    1h 8m

  4. 07/29/2024

    Everyday imagination with Ronja

    What is the experience of imagining a gremlin on someone's shoulder? How do people imagine music, sounds, time and emotion? How is imagination used to find keys and remember names? Vynn and Francis chat with Ronja about her imagination, covering a wide range of topics that may inspire you to ask your own friends and family what happens in their minds. As someone mostly aphantasic, Francis quizzes Ronja about how she imagines a gremlin on a friend's shoulder. How solid is it? Does it rotate with the world? Is it alive, and to what extent is it under conscious control? The conversations continues on the topics of imagining emotion, smell and music. Then it gets practical, discussing how imagination can be used to find things lost in your house, navigate to a destination and assemble furniture. What are different ways people remember names, and what techniques can improve that? How do people imagine while watching movies and reading books, and what is it like to imagine emotions? Timestamps: 00:48 Gremlin on your shoulder 04:27 Aliveness of the gremlin 05:43 Emotion, smell and sound 07:07 Imagining music 10:20 Sounds and memories 13:40 Harry Potter 15:10 Looking for keys 19:13 Phantasia coaching 21:27 Shape rotating 23:42 Navigation 28:02 Names and faces 34:14 Visualising time 39:15 Emotion, books, movies 46:16 Imagine an apple Show Links: * SET by PlayMonster [https://www.playmonster.com/product/set/] - pattern matching card game * Mind's Eye Mentorship [https://www.gorcdc.com/mem-info] - formerly called AphantasiaMeow * Mind's Eye Courses [https://rcdc-courses.teachable.com/] - also by AphantasiaMeow * Visualisations of calendars [https://twitter.com/shanhorandraws/status/1775749356672663638] - Twitter thread * Manar's Twitter account [https://twitter.com/manarh] - the gremlin was on his shoulder Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus]Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    49 min
  5. Limerence with Michelle Akin

    06/24/2024

    Limerence with Michelle Akin

    What is it like to have intrusively strong romantic feelings? What are the causes, and what techniques can improve it? Vynn and Francis interview life coach Michelle Akin about what it is like to experience limerence. This is a common, yet not talked about, obsessive love addiction which can repeatedly break relationships. What is the difference between limerence and love? How do limerent people behave with their object of desire? What does it feel like inside their body? The conversation goes into the possible causes of limerence, both innate and relating to attachment in childhood. Michelle describes different methods of therapy and group programmes that can help with it. How do people visualise the object of their limerence? What is the impact of attending to negative traits of the object of limerence on bodily feelings of despair? To finish, Michelle describes how many people messaged her directly when she posted on social media about limerence, and advice she gave them. Timestamps: 01:15 What does limerence feel like? 02:45 Is it a physical experience? 03:22 Sex and Love Addicts 05:57 The commonness of limerence 07:44 Dorothy Tennov the coiner of limerence 11:00 The difference between limerence and love 13:56 Is limerence a type of crush 17:17 Anxiety in limerence 18:21 What causes limerence? 21:56 Vibrational Harmonic Healing 22:30 Limerence therapy specialist 26:20 Limerent connection as healing the father wound 28:10 New friendships 28:27 Visualising the objects of limerence 32:10 How to handle limerence 34:16 Number of people being impacted by limerence Show Links: * Limerence: What Is It And How Do We Let It Go? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ALCPEBkc] - video by Heidi Priebe * Michelle's AMA about limerence [https://twitter.com/MichelleAkin/status/1751203085270011998] * Michelle's Twitter account [https://twitter.com/MichelleAkin] * Inconvenient Epiphanies [https://michelleakin.substack.com/] - Michelle's substack * Dorothy Tennov [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Tennov] - Coiner of Limerence Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus]Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    44 min

  6. 05/27/2024

    Fire Kasina with Jane Flowers

    How can you use fire kasina meditation to develop hyperreal imagery? How does this differ from mind's eye imagination? Vynn and Francis interview fashion designer Jane Flowers, who has developed a hyperphantasic ability using fire kasina meditation. Jane describes how she developed imagery while doing fire kasina meditation. She talks about the progress from seeing visual snow, to the brain pattern matching it as 3D, to forming plants and rich, controlled shapes. She describes ways to prepare your mind and body for these visualisations. The difference between Jane's kasina visualisations and normal mind's eye visualisations is explored in detail, including tactile sensation and comparison to reporting on psychedelics. Prophantasia / hyperphantasia Timestamps: 00:36 Mask illusion 02:41 Meditation imagery 05:16 2D to 3D 08:11 Kasina visualisations 11:20 Charging up 13:29 Phases of forming visualisations 16:00 Comparison to mind's eye 21:59 Temperature 23:37 Therapeutic benefits, psychedelics 28:03 Implications for reality 32:47 Comparison to prophantasia Show Links: * Why Are Transgender People Immune To Optical Illusions? [https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/06/28/why-are-transgender-people-immune-to-optical-illusions/] - mask illusion blog post by Slate Star Codex * Kasina Practice, Mastering the Core Teaching of the Buddha [https://www.mctb.org/mctb2/table-of-contents/part-iii-the-samatha-jhanas/29-kasina-practice/] - instructions in book by Daniel Ingram * Commentary on the Vimuttimagga [https://firekasina.org/2015/04/03/commentary-on-the-vimuttimagga/] - canon sources on fire kasina visualisations * Fire Kasina website [https://firekasina.org/] * Jane's Twitter account [https://twitter.com/itsjaneflowers] Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus] Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    43 min
  7. Tanha with neuroscientist Michael Johnson

    04/15/2024

    Tanha with neuroscientist Michael Johnson

    How does the inner mental experience of autistic people vary? What is our day to day experience that creates stress or tension? Can we skillfully reduce it? Vynn and Francis interview philosopher and neuroscientist Michael Johnson. Michael founded the Qualia Research Institute, and wrote the book Principia Qualia about consciousness. The conversation begins with the inner experience of autistic people. How does a denser, more connected neural network lead to more variety of experience? Then it goes through Michael's theory of vasocomputation in detail. This relates to the Buddhist concept of "tanha" (grasping) and how it relates to stress and tension. Do we control the world too much, or in ways that make no sense? What is the experience of doing this, and how can we use techniques like meditation to change this? Timestamps: 00:46 Autism and neuron connectivity 07:44 Autism and inner experience 10:03 Meditation 11:34 Vasocomputation 13:27 Free energy and active inference 17:18 Buddhist concept of Tanha (grasping) 23:10 Three unskillful active inferences 25:36 Skillful active inference 27:40 Pain and pleasure 28:37 Qualia Show Links: * Autism as a disorder of dimensionality [https://opentheory.net/2023/05/autism-as-a-disorder-of-dimensionality/] - article by Michael Johnson * Principles of Vasocomputation: A Unification of Buddhist Phenomenology, Active Inference, and Physical Reflex (Part I) [https://opentheory.net/2023/07/principles-of-vasocomputation-a-unification-of-buddhist-phenomenology-active-inference-and-physical-reflex-part-i/] - article by Michael Johnson * Michael Johnson's Twitter account [https://twitter.com/johnsonmxe] * Michael Johnson's website [https://opentheory.net/contact/] Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus]Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    30 min

  8. 03/19/2024

    Music with cellist Matthew Pierce

    What do musicians see in their mind's eyes and ears while playing? How do they use that to create the impact of the music on the audience? Vynn and Francis interview professional cellist Matthew Pierce who is aphantasic - he has no visual imagination. He uses his audio, spatial, emotional and bodily imagination to perform music. Matthew goes into detail about learning to play an instrument, using different kinds of imagination to train the subconscious to control the body while playing. How does the body move while playing a cello and a piano? Where do you need to visually pay attention while in an orchestra? What are they different layers of habit that are built up while learning an instrument? To finish, there's a discussion about a lack of visual imagination making it harder to do paperwork. After this interview, Matthew composed, performed and recorded the intro and outro music for "Imagine an Apple". Thanks Matthew, it's very much appreciated! Check out his other musical work in the links below. Timestamps: 01:33 Inner audio experience 04:16 Spatial imagination 05:56 Teaching playing an instrument 09:40 Body position while playing cello 11:09 Imagining what you want to play 15:11 Difference with visual imagination 16:19 Places you look while playing in orchestra 18:35 Reading music as sound vs notation 23:21 Musical keys, embodiment of playing 30:52 Imagining audio of an orchestral piece 36:15 Imagining emotions of audience 41:50 Different kinds of mind's eyes 44:39 Paperwork when aphantasic 50:02 Vynn and Francis chat about the episode Show Links: * Piercello's Progress [https://piercello.substack.com/] - Matthew's email newsletter on Substack * Matthew's Twitter account [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello] * Matthew's YouTube channel [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLdxOcmHYxraZ2kUt-c5L5w] * Prelude from J. S. Bach's Suite No. 1 for Unaccompanied Cello [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5H6DgY_k3M] Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus]Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    1h 6m
  9. Do we all experience emotion differently?

    02/22/2024

    Do we all experience emotion differently?

    How has emotion changed over history, and in different cultures? How do people experience emotion - in the body, cognitively, as concepts, as colours? Vynn and Francis discuss how different people, including themselves individually, experience emotion. The conversation leads into the practical question of how it is best to experience emotion, and how that happens socially and in combination with rational thought. This episode is a follow-up companion episode to the interview with philosopher Tom Cochrane about emotion in the previous episode. Timestamps: 00:46 Experiments about emotions 03:30 History of emotion 08:51 Emotion in different cultures 10:52 Experiencing emotions in different ways 15:38 Cause of bodily feeling of sensations 18:57 Vynn's experience of emotion 22:29 Francis' experience of emotion 25:09 Desirability of feeling emotion in body more 28:12 Social reality of emotions 32:51 Emotional-rational complexes, practical tips Show Links: * "The Emotional Mind: A Control Theory of Affective States" [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/emotional-mind/4196F9FA10CCDFABAA888C9825162F9A#fndtn-information] - book by Tom Cochrane * How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain [https://lisafeldmanbarrett.com/books/how-emotions-are-made/] - book by Lisa Feldman Barrett * Critiques of Paul Ekman's theory of facial expression of emotions [https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/04/artificial-intelligence-misreading-human-emotion/618696/] - The Atlantic * Professor Thomas Dixon's research into history of emotion [https://www.qmul.ac.uk/history/people//academic-staff/profiles/dixonthomas.html] - website * This kind of rosy yellow glow in my head [https://www.flourish.org/2023/03/this-kind-of-rosy-yellow-glow-in-my-head/] - blog post introduction to Hurlburt * Weeping Britannia: Portrait of a Nation in Tears [https://global.oup.com/academic/product/weeping-britannia-9780199676057?cc=gb&lang=en&] - book by Thomas Dixon Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus]Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    37 min
  10. Emotion with philosopher Tom Cochrane

    02/20/2024

    Emotion with philosopher Tom Cochrane

    What is emotion? How's it different from feelings? How do different people experience it? Vynn and Francis interview philosopher Tom Cochrane, author of "The Emotional Mind: A Control Theory of Affective States" [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/emotional-mind/4196F9FA10CCDFABAA888C9825162F9A#fndtn-information], about emotion. They unpick the sometimes confusing academic words on this topic, such as affect and valence. How does the way the brain is a prediction machine relate to emotion? Are emotions social? What is the impact of different clothes, locations or music on emotion? What is the state of scientific experiments about emotion? This episode has a follow-up companion episode, where Vynn and Francis talk more widely about our varying experience of emotion. Timestamps: 00:42 Definitions - emotion, feelings, affect, valence 09:24 Meditation used to increase attention 11:21 Valent (positive/negative) representation 17:30 Predictive processing 20:03 Emotions! 26:08 Social emotions 29:38 Varying experience of emotion - bodily, cognitive, colours 33:55 Expressing emotion with clothes, music, writing 36:16 Science behind emotions - experiments Show Links: * "The Emotional Mind: A Control Theory of Affective States" [https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/emotional-mind/4196F9FA10CCDFABAA888C9825162F9A#fndtn-information] - book by Tom Cochrane * "Your brain doesn't detect reality. It creates it" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikvrwOnay3g] - video with Lisa Feldman Barrett * "The Emotional Power of Music" [https://academic.oup.com/book/8659?login=false] - book by Tom Cochrane * "A multi-lab test of the facial feedback hypothesis" [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-022-01458-9] - Nature Human Behaviour * Tom Cochrane on Twitter - @doctorcochrane [https://twitter.com/doctorcochrane] * Tom's Website - All Writings [https://sites.google.com/view/tomcochranephilosophy/about?authuser=0] Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus]Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    43 min
  11. Introduction to "Imagine an apple"

    01/21/2024

    Introduction to "Imagine an apple"

    Welcome to "Imagine an apple"! A podcast about our different inner mental worlds. In this introductory episode, Vynn Suren and Francis Irving discuss differences in how they do (or don't) imagine, and how they got interested in this topic. What are the differences between what it is like inside our minds? From imagining an apple, to imagining in a dream - even imagined smell and proprioception. How do these vary between individuals, and how do they vary between human cultures? Timestamps: 00:20 Why Vynn and Francis are interested in inner experience 02:42 The "Imagine an apple" test 08:33 Dream imagery 12:17 Imagery of the past and the future 14:26 Smell and other senses 16:00 Proprioception 22:27 Variety between individuals 27:35 Bornean shamans and prophantasia 37:57 Socialisation of inner realities 42:10 Summary Show Links: * "Think of an Apple in Your Head" Meme [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/think-of-an-apple-in-your-head-apple-visualization-exercise] * Lucid Dreaming "Hands" Reality Check [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming/Reality_Checks/Hands] * Bobohizan [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobohizan] * How God Becomes Real: Kindling the Presence of Invisible Others [https://academic.oup.com/jaar/article-abstract/89/2/774/6284135] - T. M. Luhrmann Contact Details: Please follow us, get in touch, tell us about your inner experiences! Twitter: @imagine_apple [https://twitter.com/imagine_apple] @SurenVynn [https://twitter.com/SurenVynn] @frabcus [https://twitter.com/frabcus] Email: imagine@flourish.org Theme written, performed and recorded by @MJPiercello [https://twitter.com/MJPiercello]

    47 min
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A podcast about our different inner mental experiences. Presented by Vynn Suren and Francis Irving. Why can some people imagine and others can't? How do different people experience emotion? How is our view of our own minds influenced by our culture?

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    Vynn & Francis
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2025
  • Episodes
    11
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