On The Margin

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On The Margin

The worlds of macro finance and crypto are continuing to draw closer together. On the Margin will host some of the greatest minds in the world of asset management, markets, and discuss how ideas that were once on the margin are now becoming mainstream.

  1. 1 DAY AGO

    Convertible Bond Expert Breaks Down Why MicroStrategy Is Soaring | Richard Byworth

    In this episode, Richard Byworth joins the show to discuss MicroStrategy’s convertible bond strategy, the biggest MicroStrategy misconceptions, and why he thinks the premium to NAV should expand over time. We also delve into MicroStrategy's concept of Bitcoin Yield, the risks and opportunities of Saylor’s strategy, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Richard Byworth: https://x.com/RichardByworth Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors On The Margin. As Bitcoin adoption grows, Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing over 20% of the world’s crypto. Buy a LEDGER™ device now for true self-custody and peace of mind in securing your Bitcoin. Devices are also available in Bitcoin orange. For every device ordered in BTC Orange, we’ll donate $5 to brink.dev. Buy now at Ledger.com. MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Key Features: Built using Cosmos SDK, IBC compatible, with CosmWasm supported Secured via a sovereign PoS validator set Scalable up to 10k TPS Built-in Modules, SDKs and APIs to create, trade and manage regulatory compliant RWAs Improved User Experience to onboard non-native users and institutions to Web3 Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Join us at Digital Asset Summit 2025 March 18th - 20th. Use code MARGIN10 for 10% off general admission! https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:50) Richard Byworth And Convertible Bonds (09:45) MicroStrategy’s Convertible Bond Strategy (15:28) Accretive Dilution & The Value Of A Convertible Bond (21:13) Breaking Down The Convertible Bond Trade (27:07) Ads (28:42) Risks & Opportunities In MicroStrategy’s Strategy (36:55) Bitcoin Yield & Bitcoin Per Share (38:28) Leveraged Upside And Downside (42:47) MicroStrategy Index Inclusion (44:06) Biggest MicroStrategy Misconceptions (49:09) Impact Of Levered MSTR ETFs (51:52) The Changing Market Paradigm — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    55 min
  2. 3 DEC

    The Everything Code: Debt, Demographics, And The Infinite Human Future | Raoul Pal

    In this episode, Raoul Pal joins the show to discuss the new revolutionary economic regime, how AI is driving the economic singularity, and the younger generation’s changing perception of markets. We also delve into geopolitics, the banana zone, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Raoul Pal: https://x.com/RaoulGMI Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ Join Real Vision and learn more from Raoul here: http://realvision.com/join — Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors On The Margin. As Bitcoin adoption grows, Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing over 20% of the world’s crypto. Buy a LEDGER™ device now for true self-custody and peace of mind in securing your Bitcoin. Devices are also available in Bitcoin orange. For every device ordered in BTC Orange, we’ll donate $5 to brink.dev. Buy now at Ledger.com. MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Key Features: Built using Cosmos SDK, IBC compatible, with CosmWasm supported Secured via a sovereign PoS validator set Scalable up to 10k TPS Built-in Modules, SDKs and APIs to create, trade and manage regulatory compliant RWAs Improved User Experience to onboard non-native users and institutions to Web3 Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Join us at Digital Asset Summit 2025 March 18th - 20th. Use code MARGIN10 for 10% off general admission! https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:19) Regime Shift (05:55) Labor Vs Debt (10:53) Setup For The New Conflict (14:19) Rethinking Business Cycles (16:42) No More Cowbell? (19:55) Scott Bessent (23:16) Geopolitics (29:27) Ads (30:43) Inflation Trend (34:15) Finding Treasury Buyers (36:42) Cynicism Vs Optimism (38:28) Macro-Crypto Intersection (45:46) Crypto's Addressable Market (49:52) Changing Perception Of Markets (54:53) The Banana Zone — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    58 min
  3. Are You Ready For The 1st Turning? | Michael Millerman

    27 NOV

    Are You Ready For The 1st Turning? | Michael Millerman

    In this episode, Michael Millerman joins the show to discuss Peter Thiel’s philosophical framework, the Straussian Moment, and the post-liberalism era. We also delve into Bitcoin’s role in a multipolar world, the great awakening, and much more. Enjoy! — Follo Michael Millerman: https://x.com/M_Millerman Follow Tyler: https://twitter.com/Tyler_Neville_Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Polkadot is the foundation for an open and resilient web. Governed by its users, Polkadot empowers the largest DAO of 1.3M DOT holders to shape the network’s future. Home to 500+ apps and chains backed by $6B in shared security, Polkadot is revolutionizing DeFi, GameFi, AI, RWAs, and more. With upgrades like Async Backing, Agile Coretime, Elastic Scaling, and JAM on the horizon, now’s the time to join. Start your journey today at polkadot.com/get-started Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors On The Margin. As Bitcoin adoption grows, Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing over 20% of the world’s crypto. Buy a LEDGER™ device now for true self-custody and peace of mind in securing your Bitcoin. Devices are also available in Bitcoin orange. For every device ordered in BTC Orange, we’ll donate $5 to brink.dev. Buy now at Ledger.com. MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Key Features: Built using Cosmos SDK, IBC compatible, with CosmWasm supported Secured via a sovereign PoS validator set Scalable up to 10k TPS Built-in Modules, SDKs and APIs to create, trade and manage regulatory compliant RWAs Improved User Experience to onboard non-native users and institutions to Web3 Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Join us at Digital Asset Summit 2025 March 18th - 20th. Use code MARGIN10 for 10% off general admission! https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:47) Incorporating Political Philosophy Into Investing (03:44) Michael's Background (05:06) Peter Thiel & The Straussian Moment (11:00) The Friend-Enemy Distinction (19:39) The Vulgar Vs The Wise (23:08) The Post-Liberalism Era (26:27) Ads (28:18) Interview Continues (37:32) Multipolarity & Decentralization (41:58) The Fourth Political Theory (46:16) Looking Where Others Are Not (49:48) The Great Awakening (55:01) Learn More About Michael's Work — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    57 min
  4. 21 NOV

    Everything You Need To Know About The New Bitcoin ETF Options | Jeff Park

    In this episode, Jeff Park joins the show to discuss how the new Bitcoin ETF options will impact the market, what the options trading is already telling us, and whether a gamma squeeze is likely. We also delve into the arbitrage opportunities for retail traders, how to follow the new market landscape, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Jeff Park: https://x.com/dgt10011 Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Polkadot is the foundation for an open and resilient web. Governed by its users, Polkadot empowers the largest DAO of 1.3M DOT holders to shape the network’s future. Home to 500+ apps and chains backed by $6B in shared security, Polkadot is revolutionizing DeFi, GameFi, AI, RWAs, and more. With upgrades like Async Backing, Agile Coretime, Elastic Scaling, and JAM on the horizon, now’s the time to join. Start your journey today at polkadot.com/get-started Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors On The Margin. As Bitcoin adoption grows, Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing over 20% of the world’s crypto. Buy a LEDGER™ device now for true self-custody and peace of mind in securing your Bitcoin. Devices are also available in Bitcoin orange. For every device ordered in BTC Orange, we’ll donate $5 to brink.dev. Buy now at Ledger.com. MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Key Features: Built using Cosmos SDK, IBC compatible, with CosmWasm supported Secured via a sovereign PoS validator set Scalable up to 10k TPS Built-in Modules, SDKs and APIs to create, trade and manage regulatory compliant RWAs Improved User Experience to onboard non-native users and institutions to Web3 Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Join us at Digital Asset Summit 2025 March 18th - 20th. Use code MARGIN10 for 10% off general admission! https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:50) Bitcoin ETF Options Expectations (06:14) Bitcoin's Volatility Skew (10:52) Bitcoin's Unique Supply Dynamics (14:22) Corporates Rewarded For Having Bitcoin (16:02) Biggest Options Trading Takeaways (27:30) Ads (29:20) Interview Continues (31:26) Implications On Dealers & Gamma (37:18) Impact Of Synthetic Bitcoin Through Derivatives (41:56) How Options Will Impact Market Structure (45:16) Following The New Options Landscape (48:52) The New Risk Model (52:35) Retail Opportunities — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    55 min
  5. Why Bitcoin Miners Are Pivoting To AI Data Centers | Josh Solesbury

    11 NOV

    Why Bitcoin Miners Are Pivoting To AI Data Centers | Josh Solesbury

    In this episode, Josh Solesbury joins the show to discuss the bitcoin mining landscape, the ongoing transition to AI/HPC, and the future of the industry. We also delve into industry bottlenecks, the risks of transitioning to AI, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Josh Solesbury: https://x.com/joshsolesbury Follow Quinn: https://x.com/qthomp Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Polkadot is the foundation for an open and resilient web. Governed by its users, Polkadot empowers the largest DAO of 1.3M DOT holders to shape the network’s future. Home to 500+ apps and chains backed by $6B in shared security, Polkadot is revolutionizing DeFi, GameFi, AI, RWAs, and more. With upgrades like Async Backing, Agile Coretime, Elastic Scaling, and JAM on the horizon, now’s the time to join. Start your journey today at polkadot.com/get-started Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors On The Margin. As Bitcoin adoption grows, Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing over 20% of the world’s crypto. Buy a LEDGER™ device now for true self-custody and peace of mind in securing your Bitcoin. Devices are also available in Bitcoin orange. For every device ordered in BTC Orange, we’ll donate $5 to brink.dev. Buy now at Ledger.com. MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Key Features: Built using Cosmos SDK, IBC compatible, with CosmWasm supported Secured via a sovereign PoS validator set Scalable up to 10k TPS Built-in Modules, SDKs and APIs to create, trade and manage regulatory compliant RWAs Improved User Experience to onboard non-native users and institutions to Web3 Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (02:32) Josh's Background (03:52) Overview Of The Bitcoin Mining Landscape (10:44) Bitcoin Mining Cyclicality (12:55) Industry Consolidation (16:18) Differentiating Miners (22:39) Miner Transition To AI/HPC (36:44) Ads (38:53) Miner Transition To AI/HPC (Continued) (42:09) Chips & Bottlenecks (49:18) Why Don't Miners Abandon Bitcoin For AI? (59:18) CoreWeave & Core Scientific (01:04:30) Risks To Transition To AI/HPC (01:07:55) The Future Of The Mining Industry — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    1h 16m
  6. What People Get Wrong About MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin Plan | Dylan LeClair

    4 NOV

    What People Get Wrong About MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin Plan | Dylan LeClair

    In this episode, Dylan LeClair joins the show to discuss MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin strategy, the insane performance of its convertible notes, and its $42 billion capital plan. We also discuss how to value MicroStrategy, the company’s liquidation risk, how other companies can replicate its strategy, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Dylan LeClair: https://x.com/DylanLeClair_ Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Polkadot is the foundation for an open and resilient web. Governed by its users, Polkadot empowers the largest DAO of 1.3M DOT holders to shape the network’s future. Home to 500+ apps and chains backed by $6B in shared security, Polkadot is revolutionizing DeFi, GameFi, AI, RWAs, and more. With upgrades like Async Backing, Agile Coretime, Elastic Scaling, and JAM on the horizon, now’s the time to join. Start your journey today at polkadot.com/get-started Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors On The Margin. As Bitcoin adoption grows, Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing over 20% of the world’s crypto. Buy a LEDGER™ device now for true self-custody and peace of mind in securing your Bitcoin. Devices are also available in Bitcoin orange. For every device ordered in BTC Orange, we’ll donate $5 to brink.dev. Buy now at Ledger.com. MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Key Features: Built using Cosmos SDK, IBC compatible, with CosmWasm supported Secured via a sovereign PoS validator set Scalable up to 10k TPS Built-in Modules, SDKs and APIs to create, trade and manage regulatory compliant RWAs Improved User Experience to onboard non-native users and institutions to Web3 — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (03:19) MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin Strategy (09:41) Who Is Buying MicroStrategy? (14:24) How To Value MicroStrategy (16:02) FASB Regulation Change (19:05) MicroStrategy’s Dilution & NAV Premium (21:49) MicroStrategy’s Convertible Notes (24:14) MicroStrategy’s $42 Billion Capital Plan (27:14) Why Is This Strategy Accretive to Shareholders? (30:48) Advertisements (32:45) Impact Of The Capital Plan (36:11) MicroStrategy Risks (44:07) Replicating MicroStrategy’s Strategy (49:09) Crypto Market Outlook — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    53 min
  7. The BTC/ETH ETF Flows Are Just Getting Started | Matt Hougan

    17 OCT

    The BTC/ETH ETF Flows Are Just Getting Started | Matt Hougan

    In this episode, Matt Hougan joins the show to discuss BTC vs ETH ETF flows, the biggest ETF misconceptions, and the importance of regulatory clarity. We also delve into the value of incorporating BTC in a portfolio, future crypto ETF strategies, and much more. Enjoy! — Follow Matt Hougan: https://x.com/Matt_Hougan Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Polkadot is the foundation for an open and resilient web. Governed by its users, Polkadot empowers the largest DAO of 1.3M DOT holders to shape the network’s future. Home to 500+ apps and chains backed by $6B in shared security, Polkadot is revolutionizing DeFi, GameFi, AI, RWAs, and more. With upgrades like Async Backing, Agile Coretime, Elastic Scaling, and JAM on the horizon, now’s the time to join. Start your journey today at polkadot.com/get-started MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:51) BTC vs ETH ETFs (03:18) Success of BTC ETFs (04:28) Marginal Buyers of Crypto ETFs (06:49) Lackluster ETH ETF Flows (08:45) Surprise ETH ETF Approval (09:56) Value Proposition of Ethereum (12:41) Sacrificing ETH Utility in ETF Wrapper (13:55) Crypto ETF Options (18:38) The Future of Crypto ETFs (21:51) Bitwise Filing Process (23:27) Biggest ETF Misconceptions (26:17) Advertisements (27:32) Compliance Process (29:43) Election & Regulation (33:18) Regulatory Clarity (36:03) Incorporating Bitcoin Into A Portfolio (40:00) Gold vs BTC (42:10) Crypto Market Forecasts (44:29) Learn More About Matt & Bitwise — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    46 min
  8. The Economy is in Goldilocks | Ram Ahluwalia

    15 OCT

    The Economy is in Goldilocks | Ram Ahluwalia

    In this episode, Ram Ahluwalia joins the show to discuss his macro view of markets, why he thinks we’re in goldilocks, and his thought process for asset allocation. We also delve into NVIDIA and AI, factor investing, and the role of risk-adjusted returns. Enjoy! — Follo Ram: https://x.com/ramahluwalia Follow Felix: https://x.com/fejau_inc Follow On The Margin: https://twitter.com/OnTheMarginPod Follow Blockworks: https://twitter.com/Blockworks_ — Polkadot is the foundation for an open and resilient web. Governed by its users, Polkadot empowers the largest DAO of 1.3M DOT holders to shape the network’s future. Home to 500+ apps and chains backed by $6B in shared security, Polkadot is revolutionizing DeFi, GameFi, AI, RWAs, and more. With upgrades like Async Backing, Agile Coretime, Elastic Scaling, and JAM on the horizon, now’s the time to join. Start your journey today at polkadot.com/get-started MANTRA is a purpose-built RWA Layer 1 blockchain capable of adherence and enforcement of real world regulatory requirements. As a permissionless chain, MANTRA empowers developers and institutions to seamlessly participate in the evolving RWA tokenization space by offering advanced tech modules, compliance mechanisms, and cross-chain interoperability. Learn more: https://www.mantrachain.io/ — Timestamps: (00:00) Introduction (01:56) Ram & Lumida Wealth (02:32) Macro Overview (05:54) 50 Bps Cut Was a Mistake (07:19) Economic Goldilocks (11:27) Fed Mandate (12:33) Cutting Cycle Path (14:32) The Neutral Rate & Animal Spirits (17:05) Election Impact on Markets (18:55) Advertisements (20:11) Asset Allocation Strategies (25:27) NVIDIA & AI (28:55) Factor Investing (33:09) Mathematical Model Shortfalls (35:53) Risk-Adjusted Returns (39:24) Digital Asset Framework (45:40) Market Outlook — Disclaimer: Nothing discussed on On The Margin should be considered as investment advice. Please always do your own research & speak to a financial advisor before thinking about, thinking about putting your money into these crazy markets.

    49 min

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The worlds of macro finance and crypto are continuing to draw closer together. On the Margin will host some of the greatest minds in the world of asset management, markets, and discuss how ideas that were once on the margin are now becoming mainstream.

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