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Listen as Mawer Investment Management Ltd. takes a deeper dive into the investment philosophy and strategies that have helped put the odds in their clients’ favour for over 50 years.

  1. 29 AUG

    Skyscrapers and Storefronts: Insights on the Commercial Real Estate Market in 2024

    In this episode of the podcast, credit analyst Curtis Elkington provides a comprehensive overview of the $50 trillion global commercial real estate market. He covers the current headwinds facing various property sectors, such as pandemic-induced challenges in the office sector and touches on the surprising resilience of the retail segment. Elkington sheds light on the complexities of the commercial mortgage-backed securities market and details the credit analysis process his team uses to evaluate potential investments with examples. Key points from this episode: • Over the past four years, commercial real estate as an asset class has faced potentially the most significant of headwinds, most notably the pandemic and the rise in interest rates.  • While the pandemic had a different impact on each property sector within commercial real estate, higher rates had a much more uniform impact across the various industries. • The overall size of the commercial real estate market, which includes multifamily, office, retail, and industrial properties, is massive. In 2023, Savills estimated the total global property value was $50 trillion, of which the U.S. is the largest component. • Vacancy and capitalization rates are the two primary metrics used to assess the health of the commercial real estate sectors. In office, both vacancy and capitalization rates have increased significantly since 2019. • According to the St. Louis Federal Reserve, the 25 largest commercial banks have ~$860 billion in commercial real estate loans, which is only 6% of their collective assets. All the other banks outside of the top 25 have $2 trillion in commercial real estate loans, but that accounts for 30% of their total assets. • Over the past six months, the risk-reward on the credit side for several real estate companies was unattractive in all scenarios. • Some market participants believe that upwards of $100 billion, or 15%, of U.S. CMBS is currently mis-rated. • The credit team does two main things in its intensive analysis credit review. They assign a Mawer credit rating that's tied to valuation, and they establish a margin of safety that's tied to downside production. • With commercial real estate, just like any potential investment, the team reviews each issue and issuer on a case-by-case basis following a thorough and rigorous process before committing investor capital. Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager Guests: Curtis Elkington, CFA, Mawer Credit Analyst For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/skyscrapers-and-storefronts-insights-on-the-commercial-real-estate-market-in-2024-ep165 This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. Founded in 1974, Mawer Investment Management Ltd. (pronounced "more") is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram  - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/

    27 min

  2. 14 AUG

    Recession Fears and Credit Spreads: A Comprehensive Fixed Income Update

    In this episode, Crista Caughlin, lead Portfolio Manager of the Canadian Bond Strategy, and Brian Carney, lead Portfolio Manager of the Global Credit Opportunities Strategy, provide their thoughts on recent economic data releases, a shift in central bank language, and recent market volatility. They delve into new issuance activity in the U.S. and Canada, widening spreads in the investment-grade and high-yield markets, and current portfolio positioning. The conversation concludes with an update on the growth and expansion of Mawer’s fixed income team. Key points from this episode: Central banks have shifted their focus from solely targeting inflation to balancing inflation and growth risks, leading to the start of a global easing cycle.  Recession fears have increased due to weakening economic data, such as falling PMIs, rising unemployment, and weak growth, causing volatility in markets. It remains to be seen if recent volatility is just a pocket or something more material. If growth remains robust, it's likely just a pocket that will right-size itself. If growth continues to weaken and signs of a U.S. recession continue to pick up, it could be a larger downturn. The first half of the year has been smooth sailing for credit investors, but recent dislocations and changes resulted in significant widening in credit spreads. New issuance activity has been robust in the U.S. and Canada, with the levels of investment grade and high-yield issuance year-to-date already exceeding last year’s volumes. Commercial real estate has been a topical sector, but neither the Canadian bond strategy nor the global credit strategy have any direct exposure to real estate. In terms of where yield curves are today, parts of the curves are still inverted, particularly recession indicators. Both strategies hold Verizon Communications and Ford Credit Canada due to their favorable financial and operating metrics. Host: Kevin Minas, Mawer Institutional Portfolio Manager Guests: Brian Carney, Mawer Portfolio Manager, Crista Caughlin, Mawer Portfolio Manager For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-the-canadian-equity-landscape-dispersion-energy-transition-and-opportunities-ep163 This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. -- Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/

    27 min

  3. 31 JUL

    Navigating the Canadian Equity Landscape: Dispersion, Energy Transition, and Opportunities

    In this episode of the podcast, Mark Rutherford, Co-Manager of the Canadian large-cap equity strategy, discusses the current investment landscape in Canada, highlighting the wide dispersion in sector performance and the impact of central bank policies. He delves into the long-term theme of the global energy transition and its far-reaching effects on various market sectors in Canada. Insights into insurance and banking sector performance are provided, as well as examples of specific portfolio holdings within the Canadian equity strategy. Key points from this episode: On the surface, healthy and attractive returns can be found across equity markets in Canada. However, there is quite a bit of dispersion under the surface. Year to date, top-performing sectors include energy and materials – which have been the top performers for a few years now – while telecoms, real estate, and some utility stocks are lagging the market. One longer-term theme that is top of mind, both for Canada and numerous countries around the world, is the ongoing energy transition. Long-term opportunities that Canada is well positioned for include energy production, natural resources and renewables, critical minerals, and utilities. AI has been a big driver of incremental change within the utilities sector. Companies like Fortis, Hydro One, and AltaGas are investing more every year and building up the rate base, which ultimately will grow their earnings over time. One simple heuristic Mark’s team uses when evaluating portfolio construction and portfolio holdings is to ask where they see headwinds and where they see tailwinds. Life insurance companies have benefited from higher interest rates and improved earnings mix, while banks are facing challenges due to slowing loan demand and higher provisions for loan losses. Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager Guest: Mark Rutherford, CFA, Portfolio Manager For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-the-canadian-equity-landscape-dispersion-energy-transition-and-opportunities-ep163 This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. -- Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/ Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/Mawer_Invest

    21 min

  4. 24 JUL

    Marbles and Billiards: Navigating the Highs and Lows in Global Equity

    In this episode, Portfolio Manager Manar Hassan-Agha discusses how the Global Equity Team navigates an exuberant market environment while staying true to Mawer’s disciplined investment approach. He delves into the potential impacts of emerging trends, namely artificial intelligence (AI), and provides examples of the team’s measured approach to evaluating the hype and sustainability of these trends. He emphasizes the value of temperament, alignment, and identifying mispriced high-quality companies. Key points from this episode: When considering potential errors of omission, it's a delicate balance between learning and improving while also ensuring you're not learning the wrong things. It's a matrix of good-bad decisions and good-bad outcomes. A deep dive on XP A deep dive on Robert Half We tend to overestimate the effects of new technology in the short term but underestimate them in the long run [Roy Amara], which could potentially apply to the current AI hype. The asymmetry today, in our mind, around AI hype is that there's a lot of uncertainty around this, particularly with respect to what's embedded in the prices of stocks. The difficulty continues to be identifying losers versus winners in a longer-term perspective. Chasing a theme is very difficult. You must be right on the theme and right on the securities in that theme while also not overpaying relative to the expectations already priced into the theme. Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager Guest: Manar Hassan-Agha, CFA, Portfolio Manager For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/marbles-and-billiards-navigating-the-highs-and-lows-in-global-equity-ep162 This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/ Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/mawer_Invest

    24 min

  5. 17 JUL

    Quarterly Update | Q2 2024

    Portfolio Manager Crista Caughlin discusses the economy and factors that drove markets in the second quarter of 2024. Key points from this episode: Because inflation is easing at a gradual pace, central banks with likely be cutting rates gradually. We are at the end of a global tightening cycle and starting to see countries tweak their policies to better fit their domestic markets, but there is not and likely won’t be, a material divergence in the path forward among central banks. The yield curve has been inverted for almost two years, which is longer than average. However, it's not the longest inversion on record. In the late 80s, the yield curve remained inverted for over two and a half years before a recession. In continuation of the first quarter, equity markets did quite well again, with most reaching new highs during the quarter. The strength was primarily driven by a narrow segment of the market, notably technology. Host: Kevin Minas, CFA, MBA, CAIA, Institutional Portfolio Manager Guest: Crista Caughlin, CFA, Portfolio Manager For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/quarterly-update-q2-2024 This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/ Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/mawer_Invest

    15 min

  6. 11 JUL

    Navigating the U.S. Mid-Cap Landscape: Resilience Amid Uncertainty

    In this episode, Portfolio Manager Jeff Mo makes the case for investing in U.S. mid-cap equities, highlighting the country’s strong business environment, large domestic market, and GDP growth. He discusses current market trends, including artificial intelligence, and his team’s risk management evaluation, especially with a pivotal U.S. election looming on the horizon.   Key points from this episode: The U.S. is an attractive market for investing due to its strong rule of law, business environment, and large domestic market. Mid-caps are an investing sweet spot. While smaller companies struggle to gain competitive advantages, mid-caps have similar competitive advantages as large caps but with much more attractive growth profiles. There is one dominant theme right now in the market, which is artificial intelligence and anything related to that, all the way down to companies that are building HVAC systems for data centers. With risks like elections, the team goes through the portfolio company by company to evaluate potential changes as a result of an administration change. In thinking through the risks as part of their ongoing risk management exercise, the portfolio appears resilient, prepared, and diversified for many different scenarios, including different election outcomes.   Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager Guest: Jeff Mo, CFA, Portfolio Manager For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/navigating-the-u-s-mid-cap-landscape-resilience-amid-uncertainty-ep160 This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/ Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/mawer_Invest

    20 min

  7. 26 JUN

    From Buy to Bye: Sell Discipline and Overcoming Behavioral Biases

    In this episode, Portfolio Manager Jeff Mo discusses common behavioral biases that can hinder clear sell decisions, and the tools, such as checklists and trigger points, that can help slow down emotional thinking. He provides examples of companies that he and his team properly exited based on changing fundamentals as well as those they may have held onto for a bit too long, proving the power of the endowment bias. Key points from this episode: Mawer’s sell discipline mirrors the inverse of its buy criteria: wealth creation, management quality, and discount to intrinsic value. The endowment bias makes it difficult to sell stocks you already own; try to always consider your holdings, and don't get married to them. Valuation is not the most important plank of Mawer’s sell discipline framework. Wealth creation and excellent management teams come first. While some believe the worst sell misses are the ones that have gone down considerably, Jeff believes the worst ones are actually the ones that go nowhere. It is important to weigh the inductive evidence a little bit more than the deductive evidence, but this can be difficult to do when it's a company that has done well. Warren Buffett once said that the preferred holding period is forever. However, not everything in life goes as you’d prefer, and that’s where sell discipline comes into play. Checklists and trigger points are a great way to think systematically and to slow down the process, helping take the emotion out of sell decisions. Host: Rob Campbell, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager Guest: Jeff Mo, CFA, Portfolio Manager For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/from-buy-to-bye-sell-discipline-and-overcoming-behavioral-biases This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts. Founded in 1974, Mawer is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore. Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com. Follow us on social: Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/Mawer_Invest LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/

    32 min

  8. 19 JUN

    Watts Up? The Challenges and Opportunities of Powering AI

    In this episode, we explore the growing electricity demands of data centers stemming from artificial intelligence (AI) with Chris Silvestre, Analyst on the U.S. Equity Team. He shares insights from a recent research trip visiting data centers in Northern Virginia—the data center capital of the world—and discusses challenges around meeting demands given constraints of land availability, energy generation and transmission, and the significantly increased power demands required to develop large language models.   Key points from this episode:   • Electricity demand in the U.S. has been relatively flat for a decade but is expected to increase 25% by 2050 due to electrification, ESG goals, and data center expansion to meet AI demand. • For the same footprint and the same data center, you need 10 times more power for AI workloads than you did for the old-style data centers. • Data centers cluster organically in hubs, such as Northern Virginia, to minimize data transfer costs, but this clustering strains power infrastructure. • Meeting increased data center capacity demands faces land and energy constraints. While the U.S. has the ability to generate power, it may not have it in the right spots at the right time to support this new incremental demand. • Businesses are proactively responding to increased demand by signing deals to secure data center capacity despite constraints, while governments are implementing policies and reforms to support AI development. • With respect to AI or high-performance computing, there is a sense that this is a priority and will be a matter of national interest if not national security.   Host: Andrew Johnson, CFA, Institutional Portfolio Manager Guest: Chris Silvestre, CPA, CFA, Equity Analyst   For more details and full transcript visit: https://www.mawer.com/the-art-of-boring/podcast/watts-up-the-challenges-and-opportunities-of-powering-ai-ep158   This episode is available for download anywhere you get your podcasts.   Founded in 1974, Mawer Investment Management Ltd. (pronounced "more") is a privately owned independent investment firm managing assets for institutional and individual investors. Mawer employs over 250 people in Canada, U.S., and Singapore.   Visit Mawer at https://www.mawer.com.   Follow us on social:   Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/Mawer_Invest   LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/mawer-investment-management/   Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/mawerinvestmentmanagement/

    28 min
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Listen as Mawer Investment Management Ltd. takes a deeper dive into the investment philosophy and strategies that have helped put the odds in their clients’ favour for over 50 years.

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    Mawer Investment Management Ltd.
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    2018 - 2024
  • Episodes
    165
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