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In this episode of the FOB podcast, Pastor Eric and Andy engage in a thoughtful conversation about perfection and the pursuit of excellence. They share their journeys toward accepting brokenness and the imperfections of life. The discussion also touches on the themes from the book "The Trellis and the Vine," offering valuable insights. Additionally, they explore their own insecurities, which often emerge when they relinquish control and delegate responsibilities.

You can find "The Trellis and the Vine" by Colin Marshall and Tony Payne on Amazon.com for purchase. This book explores the essential components of Christian ministry through the metaphor of a trellis and a vine, focusing on disciple-making and the structures that support it. 

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"Faith Over Breakfast with Pastors Andy & Eric" is a weekly podcast where Pastors Andy and Eric come together over a imaginary delicious breakfast to talk about faith, food, sermons, culture, and more. In each episode, the pastors delve into thought-provoking topics and offer inspiring insights and practical guidance for those seeking to deepen their relationship with Jesus. With occasional guests joining the conversation, "Faith Over Breakfast with Pastors Andy & Eric" provides a unique perspective on what it means to live a life of faith in today's world. Whether you're a seasoned Christian or just starting on your faith journey, this podcast is the perfect companion for your morning routine. So join Pastors Andy and Eric each week as they explore the intersections of faith, food, and life over a delicious breakfast.

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