113 | Beyond Relationship Labels with Jessica Esfandiary Mother the Mother

Today on the show, McLean dives into the world of polyamory with coach and podcaster Jessica Esfandiary! Jessica, host of the Open Late podcast, tells her story of opening up her marriage and finding a better version of herself in the process. She shares what led her and her husband to wanting to date outside of their marriage, all the struggles and challenges they faced along the way, and clears up some common misconceptions about non-monogamy. And now, she’s on the path to becoming a mother via surrogacy, and she and McLean discuss what that means for her relationship now.