Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!

  1. -4 ДН.

    286. Why Passive Heat May Improve Performance, A Batman Study, Influencers, JFK 50 Mile, and Cool Persistence Hunting Science!

    We got way too invested in dog food models before this amazing episode! The main topic was a new study on passive heat training (like the hot tub or sauna) that acts as a missing link between theory and real-world proof. The study found that 5 weeks of hot tub training increases hemoglobin mass and VO2 max, which coincides with improved running economy. WOW! We break it all down. And this one was full of incredible topics! Topics: a date night game that should have stayed in date night, Hans Troyer and Jade Belzberg’s wins at the JFK 50 Mile, hard hill strides to break through neuromuscular lulls, questions on heat training, unexpected events and prosocial behavior (including a study involving Batman), a 47-year study on athletic aging, persistence hunting science (and how that relates to human responses to heat), influencers, traveling with gels, stacking training plans, pre-wedding advice, and lots more! If there’s one takeaway from the science in this episode, it’s this: BATMAN. It will make sense soon. We love you all! Huzzah! -David and Megan Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap Find all of the amazing Black Friday deals here: https://thefeed.com/collections/bfcm  30% off Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") 25% off the Wahoo KICKR Run: https://www.wahoofitness.com/devices/running/treadmills/kickr-run-buy (code “SWAP”) For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

    1 ч. 29 мин.
  2. 18 НОЯБ.

    285. The Strange Uncertainty of Hemoglobin A1c in Athletes, Thyroid Function and Fueling, Elevated Heart Rate, and Running Form 101!

    We thought deeply about the societal implications of Paw Patrol before this amazing episode! The main science discussion involved a pair of strange, counter-intuitive wrinkles of physiology. The first was the sometimes paradoxical finding of higher hemoglobin A1c in many elite athletes. The second involved a new paper addressing a connection between suppressed thyroid hormones and low energy availability.  Both phenomena demonstrate how physiology is a complex system. Also, it’s possible that concerning bloodwork means one thing... or the polar opposite. We have fun breaking it all down! And this one was full of great topics! Other topics: Megan’s Just Say No To Rhabdo training run, David’s first treadmill workout on the comeback trail, a follow-up on bowls and buckets, the winter training plan, findings jobs in running, the pardon of Michelino Sunseri, running form 101, altitude tents, structuring training weeks, prepping for Survivor, fueling winter races, what to do about elevated heart rate, and lots more. This one is full of nuance. And after you listen, you’ll realize that “full of Nuance” should be in the back room and cost extra. We love you all! HUZZAH! -David and Megan Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap Find all of the amazing Black Friday deals here: https://thefeed.com/collections/bfcm  30% off Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") 25% off the Wahoo KICKR Run: https://www.wahoofitness.com/devices/running/treadmills/kickr-run-buy (code “SWAP”) Subscribe to the Work in Running newsletter: workinrunning.com  For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

    1 ч. 29 мин.
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    283. Fatigue Resistance in Marathons, High Carb in Road Racing, Science Debate on Ketones, Doubles, and Uphill Treadmill Introduction!

    We stretched the ketones-as-robot-butt metaphor to its limits for this awesome episode! The main topic was a new study measuring fatigue resistance in marathons. Athletes completed lab tests prior to a marathon, with final results correlating with different attributes. Unfortunately, the athletes weren’t fueling during the protocol. What is this, 2005?!  We broaden it out for conclusions that apply to everyone. Fatigue resistance without carbs is a stupid human trick, and there’s no need to play that game. And this one was full of our favorite topics! Other topics: Megan’s return to the site of her heart issues 4 years ago, David’s scooter debut on the path to going pro, SiS Beta Recovery, the weird science of CurraNZ, how the New York City marathon was influenced by high carb approaches, high carb taking over the roads, the UCI’s strange declaration on ketones, mileage ranges in training plans, how training philosophy changes for outliers, dealing with unintentional underfueling, introducing the uphill treadmill, Megan’s field hockey and track history, and doubles. We love you all! Huzzah! -Megan and David Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap Buy CurraNZ: https://thefeed.com/collections/curranz  Buy SiS Beta Recovery: https://thefeed.com/products/sis-beta-recovery?variant=41380068720703 Buy Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

    1 ч. 30 мин.
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    282. Javelina 100! Golden Ticket Back to Western States...With A Twist Ending

    This weekend, we stepped into the fire at the Javelina 100 Mile to chase a golden ticket back to the Western States 100. This episode is the full story of the race, which ended with a golden ticket in 2nd place (behind Will Murray’s astounding course record), 27 minutes faster than last year’s win. The main discussion is about why the golden ticket presentation ended with a twist. David handed the golden ticket to Canyon Woodward, who finished less than 2 minutes back in 3rd place. Canyon deserves it. Passing it to him was more special than any race. We break it all down while it’s all fresh in our sleep-deprived minds. The 2025 Javelina 100 Mile might change ultrarunning forever. The times for men and women obliterated the old records, showing that the same trends we’re seeing at shorter races (mostly involving high carb allowing athletes to push hard from mile 1) apply at 100 miles too. This sport ain’t seen nothing yet. The new goal is to go for another golden ticket in early 2026. If I'm lucky enough to do it again and have Willy Wonka ask me if I accept, I'll say yes without hesitating... Or at least that's the current plan. If this year has taught us anything, it's that life has a way of laughing at big plans in the most beautiful and life-affirming ways. We love you all! HUZZAH! -David and Megan Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap Buy Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

    1 ч. 34 мин.
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    281. The Facts on Lead in Protein Powder, 22 Hot Topics in Endurance Sports, Weird Science of MRI Findings, and Increasing Carbs!

    We loved recording this episode! The main topic was the article that rocked the athletic world last week, which asserted that many protein powders had unsafe amounts of lead contamination. We broke down the numbers to reach a much more nuanced conclusion that should help you feel better about it all. And that led to a broader discussion on the perils of advocacy being presented as science.  We also talked about a shocking study on 45 asymptomatic people, which found labrum defects in 69% of hips! MRIs are complicated, unveiling mysteries of the human body and the strange line between structural and inflammatory issues. We discuss what it all means! And this one was full of great topics! Other topics: recovery cake, Megan’s beastly bike workout, our attempt to program AI with 22 sexy concepts in athletics, a study on actual v. planned carb intake in races, Courtney Dauwalter doing another marathon, a hypothetical about Cole Hocker in ultras, breaking up moderate running with sub-threshold intervals, how grief impacts training, energy deficits in multi-day events, preparing for heat, period parties, and when to FAFO. We love you all! HUZZAH! Prepare for some shockingly high-grade fish, -David and Megan Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap Get First Endurance Multi-V: https://thefeed.com/products/first-endurance-multiv-90ct  Buy Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap

    1 ч. 26 мин.
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    280. Science of Energy Availability and Adaptation, “Just Say No To Rhabdo” Runs, Hot Takes on Poles and Active Heat Training, and the Evolution of Taper Theory!

    We had so much fun with this episode (probably because it was a break from potty training)! The main topic was a study that found a correlation between energy availability and performance across a season in collegiate runners. It was a powerful, objective look about what happens when the body is underfueled. You know it’s a good study when it makes us add 2 more eggs to the post-podcast frying pan (10 eggs total). And this was truly one of our most joyous episodes ever! Other topics: how potty training and coaching are similar, a follow-up on uphill treadmill workouts, the theory of “just say no to rhabdo” runs, training plans, a study on the kindness v. rudeness of AI prompts, drama at the Kona Women’s Ironman Champs, poles and microspikes at Western States, the Chicago Marathon and fueling, Suunto sues Garmin, how to think about long-term growth, taking in gels, taper theory, psychology of fast finishes, and a question on business growth. What happens when our nutrition is largely based on eggs and Leo’s chicken nuggets? THEY BE CLUCKINnnnn. May we all be cringe until the day we die, -David and Megan  Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap Get Protein Vafels: https://thefeed.com/products/vafels-with-protein?variant=41648267067455     Buy Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap  Article on Z2 Uphill Treadmill training theory: https://www.patreon.com/posts/z2-uphill-theory-129560209

    1 ч. 37 мин.
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    279. Strava v. Garmin Lawsuit, Uphill Treadmill Threshold, New Study on Low Carb v. High Carb (and Caffeine), and Max Heart Rate Problems!

    We studied up on some beefs (Strava v. Garmin, Taylor v. Charli, pastrami v. sirloin) before this awesome episode! The main science topic was a new study evaluating low carb and high carb approaches, with and without caffeine. It’s another brick in the wall supporting higher carb for adaptation. We also talked about the Strava lawsuit! Last week, we defended Strava like the big fans we are, only for them to file suit against Garmin over decade-old patents a day later. It doesn’t seem to make sense from the outside. But as last week shows, what do we know? We talk about the details and speculate on some theories. And this one was full of so many great topics! Other topics: Megan’s hungry girl era, uphill treadmill threshold training, our hot (lukewarm) takes on Taylor Swift’s new album, Kilian’s mind-bending States of Elevation project, the new beta fuel gel with electrolytes, a study evaluating advanced foams in trail shoes, and an AI study on sleep and jet lag recommendations, plus a Q+A on forgetting to eat, carbs in team sports, balancing cycling and running, carbs per hour, training in supershoes, doing adventures while following a training plan, why max heart rate isn’t a good metric to track over time (or base HR zones on), calculating hill gradients, and post-exercise ketones. Taylor Swift’s song “Wood” says “I don’t need to catch a bouquet, to know a hard rock is on the way.” We assume she is talking about the Hardrock 100 mile race and she has a way to get around the lottery. You really can have it all. We love you all! HUZZAH! -Megan and David Click "Claim Your Sponsorship" for $40 free credit at The Feed here: thefeed.com/swap    Buy Janji's amazing gear: https://janji.com/ (code "SWAP") For training plans, weekly bonus podcasts, articles, and videos: patreon.com/swap Article on uphill treadmill threshold: https://www.patreon.com/posts/magic-of-uphill-112637894

    1 ч. 29 мин.
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Five to ten topics, sometimes about running, with lots of love and enthusiasm and science. We dig deep into training, races, studies, pop culture, and much more! With Megan Roche, M.D. and David Roche!

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