57 episodes

Get ready for a deep dive into what cybersecurity professionals often refer to as the "8th Layer" of security: HUMANS. Welcome to 8th Layer Insights (8Li). This podcast is a multidisciplinary exploration into how the complexities of human nature affect security and risk. Author, security researcher, and behavior science enthusiast Perry Carpenter taps experts for their insights and illumination. Topics include cybersecurity, psychology, behavior science, communication, leadership, and more.

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Get ready for a deep dive into what cybersecurity professionals often refer to as the "8th Layer" of security: HUMANS. Welcome to 8th Layer Insights (8Li). This podcast is a multidisciplinary exploration into how the complexities of human nature affect security and risk. Author, security researcher, and behavior science enthusiast Perry Carpenter taps experts for their insights and illumination. Topics include cybersecurity, psychology, behavior science, communication, leadership, and more.

    Communicating Complex Topics with Creativity and Passion

    Communicating Complex Topics with Creativity and Passion

    In this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust. This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more.

    Guest:
    George Finney (LinkedIn) (Website)
    Books and References:


    Project Zero Trust: A Story about a Strategy for Aligning Security and the Business, by George Finney


    Well Aware: Master the Nine Cybersecurity Habits to Protect Your Future, by George Finney


    The history and evolution of zero-trust security, TechTarget

    Wikipedia: Zero Trust Security Model


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

    • 56 min
    How Rachel Tobac Hacked Me

    How Rachel Tobac Hacked Me

    In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits.

    Guest:
    Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website)
    Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):


    KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required)


    Deepfake scammer walks off with $25 million in first-of-its-kind AI heist, Ars Technica


    The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting, by Jeremiah Talamantes


    The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security, by Kevin Mitnick

    YouTube video: 60 minutes Here’s how I used AI to clone a 60 Minutes correspondent’s voice to trick a colleague


    YouTube video: It Was Easy to Hack a Billionaire


    YouTube video: Inside the Mind of an Ethical Hacker


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

    • 33 min
    How AI Can Deceive and be Deceived

    How AI Can Deceive and be Deceived

    On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models.

    Guest:
    Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website)
    Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

    Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel

    Cognitive Security Institute website

    YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants

    YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA


    Not with a Bug, But with a Sticker: Attacks on Machine Learning Systems and What To Do About Them, by Ram Shankar Siva Kumar & Hyrum Anderson


    Six Thinking Hats, the de Bono Group


    Six Thinking Hats: Looking at Decision in Different Ways, MindTools


    AI + Six Thinking Hats, LifeArchitect.ai

    8Li Season 4, episode 10: Artificial Intelligence Insights & Oddities


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

    • 54 min
    Frame the Future: The Art of Becoming a Futurist

    Frame the Future: The Art of Becoming a Futurist

    On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world.

    Guest:
    Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

    Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

    YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell

    YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell


    The Institute for the Future website


    Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist, FastCompany article


    How Does a Futurist See the Future, LinkedIn Article by Jacob Morgan


    The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility", by Nassim Nicholas Taleb


    The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore, by Michele Wucker


    William Gibson’s Future Is Now, Pagan Kennedy, the New York Times

    8Li Season 1, episode 8: The Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & Demons


    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

    • 39 min
    How to Scam a Romance Scammer

    How to Scam a Romance Scammer

    Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights!
    To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer.

    Guest:
    Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube)

    Books and References:

    YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing


    YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls


    National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams


    National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit


    Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers’ favorite lies exposed


    Know Your Meme: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're A Dog


    ‘NOBODY KNOWS YOU’RE A DOG’: As iconic Internet cartoon turns 20, creator Peter Steiner knows the joke rings as relevant as ever

    Wikipedia: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog



    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)


    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter


    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer


    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.
    Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:

    LinkedIn

    Twitter

    Instagram

    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

    • 55 min
    Artificial Intelligence: Insights & Oddities

    Artificial Intelligence: Insights & Oddities

    On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief.
    Guests:



    Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website)



    Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter)



    Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)



    Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)



    Resources






    Interview with the AI, part one, by the Brandon Karpf / the CyberWire






    'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman, by The New York Times






    The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI, Ilya Sutskever TED Talk






    Ilya: the AI scientist shaping the world, by The Guardian






    Meet Loab, the AI Art Woman Haunting the Internet: Is she a demon? A Cryptid? Or nothing at all..., the Guardian






    In 2016, Microsoft’s Racist Chatbot Revealed the Dangers of Online Conversation The bot learned language from people on Twitter—but it also learned values, IEEE Spectrum



    Perry's Digital Folklore episode about AI






    Handshake's Generative AI Masterclass on Maven




    Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)






    Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter






    The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer




    Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news.
    Production Credits:
    Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.
    8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.
    8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/
    Want to get in touch with Perry? Here's how:



    LinkedIn



    Twitter



    Instagram



    Email: perry [at] 8thLayerMedia [dot] com

    • 1 hr 5 min

Customer Reviews

5.0 out of 5
56 Ratings

56 Ratings

RobDircks ,

Excellent! (From an interviewee)

I got to work with Perry on the “Creativity for Non-Creatives” episode, and I was struck with how insightful his questions are, how curious he is, and how much care he puts into the process. In addition, he’s got a great presence and top-notch production values.

JRMScooter ,

Informative, Educational & Inspirational

Perry Carpenter does it again! The author of two awesome books (they’re on Amazon) he provides incredible insights in security culture, human behaviors and what it takes to secure your organization and personal lives! This is worth an hour of your time whenever it is released! You won’t be disappointed! That and his sound guy Carl is a good source of laughs!!

Santa Claus - North Pole ,

Informative and engaging

8th Layer Insights is a genuinely engaging, entertaining, and insightful podcast. I share episodes from time to time with my non-cyber security interested friends simply because of the sheer amount of quality information that Perry Carpenter provides. This is an invaluable podcast to anyone who is pursuing creating a ‘culture’ in work, is in the education field, and even more for those in the ‘security awareness’ community.

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