Hosts Claire Mazur and Erica Cerulo, who you might know as the co-founders of the website Of a Kind (RIP!) or the co-authors of the book Work Wife, are all about discovery and enthusiasm. We've heard this weekly podcast described as a 'unique mix of urgent discussions of non-urgent things and thoughtful discussions of important, and often otherwise ignored, things,' and we're very much on board with that take.
A Mental-Health Check-In Feels Right Right Now
Let’s talk about depression—how we feel when it comes on and how we deal. Let’s talk resources, from books to therapy platforms to IG follows, for anxiety, grief, bipolar disorder, and postpartum disorders. Let’s just talk about mental health more in general, right?
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The things that have warmed our hearts a smidge during all of our time at home: a remote-control light dimmer and a calamansi tree (see also: calamansi seltzer from Sanzo + cocktails from Zuzu).
Podcasts featuring two people talking that feel kinda like having company: Jam Session, Who? Weekly, Home Cooking, Bad on Paper, Still Processing, and Taking Hugh for Granted.
Not-new fiction that’s provided Erica with a genuine escape recently: I Capture the Castle by Dodie Smith (1948), Mrs. Bridge by Evan Connell (1955), Kindred by Octavia Butler (1979), and Heartburn by Nora Ephron (1983).
Mental-health resources! Some books: The Mindful Way Through Depression by Jon Kabat-Zinn; Comfortable with Uncertainty, When Things Fall Apart, and The Pocket Pema Chodron by Pema Chodron; and An Unquiet Mind by Kay Redfield Jamison.
Articles: "The Hardest Two Months of My Life" from A Cup of Jo, "How to Help Someone With Depression" from New York mag, and "How Not to Say the Wrong Thing" from LA Times.
Podcasts: Hey, Cool Life! with Mary H.K. Choi, Unlocking Us with Brené Brown, The Hilarious World of Depression, and Oprah’s SuperSoul Conversations episode with Jon Kabat-Zinn.
Instagram follows: Jessica Clemons, MD, Emily McDowell, Crystal Anderson, Sad Girls Club, Brown Girl Therapy, The Loveland Foundation, and The Nap Ministry.
Meditation: the Insight Timer app, which is a marketplace of sorts, and UCLA Mindful Awareness Research Center Guided Meditations.
For therapy, check out Talkspace and BetterHelp for digital/telemedicine options and Alma and Real, which are about streamlining the process of finding a therapist you connect with.
If you or someone you know is considering suicide, call the National Suicide Prevention Hotline at 800-273-8255.
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Rice, Hospital Go Bags, and, Uh, What Exactly We Do for Work These Days
Let’s kick off 2021 with a true grab bag of an episode! Because who else will tell you allllll the things they’re making/eating with rice, why they’re fascinated by hospital go bag content, and how exactly they’ve been making money over the last year, all in one go??
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Rice—it’s nice! Right now, we’re feeling sushi rice for everything, Chrissy Tiegen’s coconut rice, Vigo saffron yellow rice, and Samin Nosrat’s Persian-ish rice.
And 2020’s awards for most fascinating and entertaining hospital go bag reveals go to…@nelliediamond and @hannahbronfman!! Also: Here’s the vid that inspired Claire’s, which even has a sequel.
This Eberjey PJ jumpsuit (which we both love in just, like, regular life) is actually a worthy hospital go bag inclusion.
The affiliate networks we use (you know, if you run a business that’s thinking about these things!): ShopStyle Collective, RewardStyle, ShareASale, and Bookshop.org.
A few other newsletter / micro media businesses we take inspiration from: The Ann Friedman Weekly, Why Is This Interesting?, and Courtney E. Martin.
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Dumplings as an Aesthetic and Alisha Ramos on Staying In
We’ve been following the career of Alisha Ramos since she was in college—so, um before she technically had a career. If you haven’t spotted her two businesses Girls’ Night In, a newsletter ‘n community for women who love to stay in, and Whiled, a line of cheery, artsy puzzles, everywhere you turn recently, then your pandemic experience has been very different from ours. But before we get into it all with her: Let us discuss how dumplings (the sweatpants of food?) became such a vibe.
DUMPLINGS. In handbag form from Simon Miller, Elleme, and Emily Levine. In cartoon form thanks to Wonton in a Million. As sculpture in porcelain by Stephanie H. Shih and felt by Dumpling Mart. As a light, an ornament, and, hey, a potsticker pipe.
Alisha Ramos is up to so very much—she’s the founder of Girls’ Night In and Whiled, and she’s a very committed Swiftie and gardener on IG.
Speaking of Swifties: a conspiracy rabbithole for you—feel free to search Swiftgron on Tumblr.
The still-very-relevant Stay Home, Take Care resource the GNI team put together at the beginning of quarantine.
For some TikTok ~curation~, follow Aminatou Sow and Zara Rahim...on Instagram.
“Our Shared Unsharing” by Stella Bugbee for The Cut.
A few of Alisha’s head-clearing recs: Wolf Hall by Hilary Mantel, Floret, Monty Don, and The Gardens of Bunny Mellon. Plus one gardening-related one from Erica: Animal, Vegetable, Miracle by Barbara Kingsolver.
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Reading Reckless, Thanking Stacey Abrams, and Talking Grown-Up Books for Kids
We’ve dedicated a helluva lot of our 2020 brain space to 1) the election and 2) romance novels. Who sits at the intersection of those two realms? American hero Stacey Abrams, who has written eight—eight!—of the latter under the name Selena Montgomery. We’re talking about one of them, Reckless, today. Another thing we’re getting into: books that aren’t technically for kids but that kids can take a lot from. A real page-turner of an ep!
Three adult books that influenced us growing up: Our Bodies, Ourselves, Life’s 100 Photographs That Changed the World, and The Cake Bible.
Books we endorse having around the house for kids to have access to: Black Futures, Every Person in New York, The Macmillan Visual Dictionary, The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World, Map: Exploring the World, The Man Behind the Maps, In the Company of Women, D C-T!, and Do It Yourself.
Do you need some Stacey Abrams / Selena Montgomery romance in your life? SURE YA DO. Read Reckless, its sequel Deception, and this very good recent Glamour article by Jenny Singer that explores her novel-writing and its reception over time.
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Black Futures with Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham—Plus BIG Gifts
If, like us, you’ve been following Kimberly Drew and Jenna Wortham’s work for years ‘n years, you’re going to really relish digging into Black Futures, the sweeping anthology they created together. This week, we’re chatting with the duo about celebrating Blackness, developing a friendship over the course of a creative collaboration, and, um, mispronouncing words. Oh, and before they join us, we’re discussing why really big versions of things make good gifts.
You thought we were done with gift ideas? Heck no. 1) a 6- or 12-month gift sub to Secret Menu. 2) DONATIONS! 3) lots of something you know someone already loves. For us, we’re talking jumbo takes on Luxardo cherries, Maldon salt, Fruit Roll-Ups, Oribe Gold Lust Repair & Restore Conditioner, Ghirardelli brownie mix, Tate’s cookies, sriracha, that Kacey Musgraves x Boy Smells candle, and Red Boat fish sauce and salt.
Grab your copy of Black Futures (which, by the way: great gift). To keep up on Jenna and Kimberly’s book tour—and to feel very in-the-know in general—follow both of them on IG: @jennydeluxe and @museummammy respectively.
Black Futures inspirations: The Black Book edited by Toni Morrison, Black Women Writers at Work by Claudia Tate, Losing Ground directed by Kathleen Collins (and just the scope and scale of Kathleen Collins's work broadly), the F series at The Studio Museum in Harlem, and adrienne maree brown (and her book introductions specifically).
Of the SO MANY moments, undertakings, and talents Black Futures delves into, a few this episode touches on: Martine Rose, Black Mama’s Bail Out, and the birth of Black Lives Matter in the Facebook posts of Alicia Garza and Patrisse Cullors.
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Gift Guide, Part 2: Teens, Bosses, Brothers, and, Duh, Your Mail Carrier
Welcome to Gift Guide Podcast, the Sequel: Presents Requested. (Can you tell we’re a little slap-happy after recording these eps?) If you haven’t tuned in for part one, here’s the deal: We’ve got lots of ideas from small businesses, many owned by women and BIPOC, (and none from Amazon)—and we have thoughts on organizations to donate to in someone’s honor, too. Are you ready for all the thoughts? Great, let’s get into it. Oh, and if you just can’t get enough, our 2019 installments are here and here.
21 year old brother who has a new passion/major every week. Techie, creative, loves pasta.
Grossy Pelosi merch: This Too Shall Pasta or Live Laugh Lasagna Designy pasta book: The Silver Spoon or The Geometry of Pasta Memoirs of people who found/made their own way: Notes from a Young Black Chef by Kwame Onwuachi, Just Kids by Patti Smith, and The Autobiography of Gucci Mane Subscription to Courier magazine
Little brother, loves foreign affairs, about to graduate from college, very classic taste
Subscription to Stranger’s Guide, The Atlantic, Monocle, or ProPublica A watch! Todd Snyder x Timex collab or Hodinkee for Swatches. Norse Projects x Hestra gloves J. Press Shaggy Dog cuffed hat
21 y.o. Lil bro who is way cooler than me. Into the outdoors, vintage jackets, anime.
Hanafuda Flower Cards by Nintendo Atsuko long-sleeve Parks Project long-sleeve or hoodie Pallares pocket knife Anywhere Brewer by Alvaro Rodriguez
My 30 y.o. lefty anti-capitalist brother who secretly really likes buying things.
Something Patagonia WornWear ReCrafted or Todd Snyder x L.L. Bean Patreon subscription for Chapo Trap House Leftie merch: Call Your Girlfriend The Scam is Structural Hat or Bernie Sanders Rage Against the Machine T-shirt Kura Kin sake club from Brooklyn Kura Donation to his local mutual aid organization
The 2-year-old that has everything—9 sets of Aunts/Uncles!
A giant, mascot-style costume for an adult to wear—Elmo? Bear? Kid audio player things: Yoto Player and Tonies Toy storage: Fabelab bear storage bag and Oh Noo toy wheelbarrow The Dough Project Donation to National Diaper Bank Project
Kids! Not little but not teens. Bonus for stuff that isn’t tech-based. PLEASE
Cooking thing: Kid in the Kitchen by Melissa Clark or Bella Cucina pastry tart set Box set of books: Roald Dahl or Puffin in Bloom Something outdoorsy: Tubbs snowshoes, Hamboard shortboard, or cool roller skates by Chicago Skates, Impala, or Moxi Da Bomb Fizzers Tie-dye kit: Horizon Group unicorn tie dye bundle or Tulip tie-dye party Washi tape sets Twee sidewalk chalk Liewood domino set Mary Matson Double Happiness poster (edition of 50, signed and numbered)
Late teen more responsible than me at 30 and already has the lined Birkenstocks.
Olive & June manicure/pedicure system (or just the mani system) Watercolor sets: Beam Paints, LDBA Palette, Case for Making, or anything from Blick Original art from Caroline Kaufman Safomasi quilted bean bag Lorien Stern sloth rug or seal bath mat Lotta Blobs mirror Breda watch Alex Mill tie-dye cotton socks
17-year-old awkward tomboy who has NO opinions on anything she likes
Book that might get her thinking about what she likes/where she’s going: In the Company of Women, Roadtrip Nation’s Roadmap book, Start Where You Are journal, or Is Everyone Hanging Out Without Me? by Mindy Kaling Custom Converse or Vans If she has an iPad: Apple Pencil
BOSSES AND EMPLOYEES!
Design-minded bosses (one male and one female)
Puzzles: Four Point Puzzles, Whiled, and Piecework Mug that suits each of their aesthetics: Yowie and Mociun Design-y chocolate: Compartes bars or Vesta bonbons Design-y calendars: 2021 Stendig or Design Letters Astier de Villate notebook The Granite c
Customer ReviewsSee All
Like a fun convo with friends
Love this show—feels like I’m hanging with friends (which we could use these days)! C&E are so funny, smart, and grounded. And, the product and culture recs are spot on. I’ve discovered so many great things thanks to them.
Joy. Comfort. Highly Recommend!
I’m getting SO MUCH JOY out of this podcast. I’m late to the party, I just started listening at the end of 2019.
I find comfort going into a deep dive on something that brings me joy and listening to these two talk about products, humans, culture, or rituals that are piquing their interest provides ENDLESS, positive internet deep dives. I am inspired by their intellect and passion. I adore their friendship and even their family relationships exude warmth and humanity. They are positive, powerful and inspiring women who are giving me a lot of aspects of happiness in a time where it’s hard to feel newness and excitement.
I’m so glad I stumbled upon this show. Enjoying the backlog of shows from the past few years as I catch up. Highly recommend!
Claire and Erica are the best!
This is one of my favorite podcasts! Claire and Erica have impeccable taste, a lovely friendship, and very cool friends/interviewees. They have such a wide purview (everything from snacks to racial justice) but manage to make even the most random topics (vacuums?!) compelling. Do not sleep on this one!