Back On The Grid

Nick Sorokin
Back On The Grid

How does the grid work? What are the barriers to making it cleaner? And who has the power to decide? Tune in each week to hear about tech, markets, and policy related to the U.S. electricity sector.

  1. 10/26/2024

    EPSA Lawsuit and Demand Response Market Manipulation

    Is Demand Response a wholesale electricity sale? Not really under the FPA. But should it allowed to bid into wholesale markets? This week we'll explore EPSA, a supreme court case that decided federal authority over DR participating in wholesale electricity markets. Background to start, but for juicy parts on EPSA, skip to Scalia's dissent around 5 mins into this episode. Market manipulation discussed at 14 mins. Bigger summary at 16:30. Timestamps below. Topics covered include: legal no man's land for fed vs state authority, should DR receive full LMP, and how can companies manipulate their demand response payments? Also covers FERC Orders 719 and 745. Timestamps: 00:00-Intro 03:00-Wholesale Markets as Drug Dealers 04:30-Who is EPSA? 5:00-EPSA Dissent from Scalia 07:25-Legal Precedents 12:15-EPSA Summary 12:50-LMP minus G (doesn't make sense!) 14:00-DR Market Manipulation Example 16:30-Wholesale DR the last 20 Years Sources: Demand Response Market Manipulation Case in MISO (2024): ⁠https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nipsco-linde-ferc-miso-demand-response-settlement/703888/⁠ EPSA Supreme Court Case full PDF (2016) ⁠https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/577/14-840/case.pdf⁠ Shoutout to the random bus that drove by during the opening seconds of my intro

    19 min

  2. 10/09/2024

    Power Plant Retirements and Demand Response

    Should power plants be allowed to retire whenever they want? And what the heck is demand response--wholesale, retail, or something else? This episode will start exploring reliability must run (RMR) power plant designations and touch on the Sierra Club's lawsuit focused on two coal power plants receiving RMR payments while not having their supply included in PJM's capacity market. Also, is the grid just a big sandwich shop when it comes to demand response? Tune in for a day ahead market vs real time showdown. Sources: (1) https://www.utilitydive.com/news/pjm-reliability-must-run-rmr-capacity-auction-ferc-complaint/728398/ (2) https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2020-06/energy-primer-2020_0.pdf Timestamps: 00:30-Reliability Must Run (RMR) Power Plants 09:15-Demand Response (DR) 10:30-Electricity Markets as a sandwich shop 15:00-Futures vs Spot Market for DR

    17 min

  3. 09/25/2024

    Grid Scale Battery Storage

    If the grid was Goldilocks, what type of battery would it want? This episode is a bit denser than usual and explores some basic differences between flow, iron-air, and lithium ion batteries; plus the basics of how batteries participate in markets. Also covers some technical stuff towards the end. Listen at your own peril--you may become a flow stan. Timestamps: 00:00-Intro 01:00-What Type of Energy Storage is Best? 02:23-Long Duration Storage vs Short Duration Storage 04:00-Flow Batteries 05:50-Issues with Flow Batteries 08:00-What is Grid Scale Storage Used For? 10:25-How are batteries regulated? Who knows! 11:30-Lithium Ion Batteries for the Grid 12:31-Technical Notes 15:00-Salton Sea 15:50-Future BESS References: CAISO Report on Battery Storage Market Participation https://www.caiso.com/documents/2023-special-report-on-battery-storage-jul-16-2024.pdf Redox Flow vs Li-ion Batteries https://energy.sandia.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/6_Wittman_Reed_SNL_WIPSC_Session5_6-23-21.pdf 2024 EIA Update On Grid-Scale Battery Use https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=62405 Nanoparticle Flow Batteries - https://spectrum.ieee.org/flow-battery-2666672335 Form Energy Specs - https://formenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Form-Energy-Navigating-the-Pacific-Northwest-Energy-Challenges-06.26.2024-1.pdf

    17 min

  4. 09/16/2024

    Oil for Electric Power

    When someone mentions oil, you probably think of cars, ships, planes, or plastic. But what about electric power? This episode explores where and why oil is used for electricity in the United States through a few case studies and will get you up to speed on some basic industry terms. Timestamps: 0:00-Intro 01:00-What States Use Oil for Electric Power? 04:30-Petroleum Basics 07:00-Crude Oil Characteristics 08:15-Oil for Electric Power 09:15-New York Oil for Electricity 10:00-Issues with Oil for Power 12:00-EIA Data Trends Sources: Fossil Fuel Consumption for Electricity Generation by Year, Industry Type and State (EIA-906, EIA-920, and EIA-923) - https://www.eia.gov/electricity/data/state/ Miranda Wilson, E&E News, New England clean energy goals slam into oil reality (January 18, 2023) PSE Health Energy, MA Peaker Power Plants (May, 2020) Potomac Economics, 2023 State of the Market Report for the New York ISO Markets, (May 2024) New York City Council, Council Votes to Expedite Phasing Out Fuel Oil Grade No. 4 in Boilers Across the City, Resulting in Cleaner Air, Especially in Environmental Justice Communities (February 2023) EIA, ⁠Heating oil explained⁠

    15 min

  5. 09/08/2024

    Energy System Lock-In

    If someone asked you why it’s so hard to decarbonize the electricity sector, what would you say? Maybe you think we haven’t found the right combination of technologies yet. Maybe you’d argue that we lack the political will to change. Or maybe it’s the economic or social sides of the equation. How about all of the above? This episodes explores several influential papers on technological lock-in, with a special focus on nuclear, cars, learning by doing, and network effects. Works referenced: Gregory Unruh, Understanding carbon lock-in (2000) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0301421500000707 Robin Cowen, Nuclear Power Reactors: A Study in Technological Lock-in (1990) https://www.jstor.org/stable/2122817 Richard Perkins, Technological “lock-in” (2003) https://www.isecoeco.org/pdf/techlkin.pdf Arrow, The Economic Implications of Learning by Doing, 1962: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2295952 Terraform Industries - https://terraformindustries.com/ NET Power - https://netpower.com/ Timestamps: 00:00-Intro 01:00-Technological Lock-in 01:30-Carbon Lock-in (Gregory Unruh, 2000) 02:20-Natural Gas Concerns 03:00-Terraform Industries & Net Power 03:35-Nuclear PWR Lock-In (Robin Cowen, 1990) 05:20-Early Nuclear Policy and Subsidy Help 07:00-Learning by Doing for Nuclear 07:20-Steam Cars vs Gas vs Electric 08:30-HORSES 09:14-Network Effects (Perkins, 2003) 10:25-Learning by Doing (Kenneth Arrow, 1962) 14:00-Future of Energy Systems 16:00-Lock In

    16 min

  6. 09/04/2024

    U.S. Electricity Markets Overview

    This podcast is a primer on electricity markets in the United States for people who don’t have time to read 200 page reports (though you totally should). We'll start with what's on your bill, look at wholesale auctions for electricity + bilateral trading, and wrap with some market issues like fraud, supply chains, and stranded assets. Recommended reading to add wrinkles to your brain: https://www.monitoringanalytics.com/reports/PJM_State_of_the_Market/2024/2024q2-som-pjm-sec3.pdf Timestamps: 00:00-Intro 00:38-Structure of the episode 01:10-T&D Part of Bill 01:45-Energy Part of Your Bill 02:20-Who Sells Power? 03:50-Example of a Bilateral Trade 05:30-Wholesale Electricity Auctions: ISO/RTOs 07:50-Nodal Pricing 08:30-Market Power Example 09:30-Market Fraud 10:46-Public Utility Commissions 12:17-Power Capacity & Ancillary Service Markets 13:28-Power vs Energy; MW vs MWh 14:00-Issues with Current Markets 16:00-Rider Chargers on Your Bill 18:00-Rooftop Solar vs Average Market Prices 20:00-Future Reading: INCs, DECs, UTCs, FTRs

    22 min

  7. 08/27/2024

    Big Tech: Renewable Energy Champion or Climate Pariah

    Data center growth, REC accounting concerns, and behind-the-meter nuclear contracts. What the heck is going on with big tech companies and carbon emissions these days? Works Referenced – check em’ out! Rhodium Group, Taking Stock 2024: US Energy and Emissions Outlook, July 2024, https://rhg.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Taking-Stock-2024_US-Energy-and-Emissions-Outlook.pdf Princeton REPEAT Lab, Climate Progress 2024: REPEAT Project's Annual U.S. Emissions Pathways Update, August 2024, https://zenodo.org/records/13345138 Goldman Sachs, AI is poised to drive 160% increase in data center power demand, May 2024, https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/AI-poised-to-drive-160-increase-in-power-demand Bloomberg, AI Is Already Wreaking Havoc on Global Power Systems, June 2024, https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-ai-data-centers-power-grids/ Financial Times, Big Tech’s bid to rewrite the rules on net zero (August 2024), https://www.ft.com/content/2d6fc319-2165-42fb-8de1-0edf1d765be3 Utility Dive, Talen Energy defends interconnection agreement for Amazon data center at nuclear plant (June 2024), https://www.utilitydive.com/news/talen-amazon-data-center-interconnection-agreement-nuclear-pjm-aep-exelon/720139/ Katie Tarasov, CNBC, Generative AI requires massive amounts of power and water, and the aging U.S. grid can’t handle the load (July 2024), https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/28/how-the-massive-power-draw-of-generative-ai-is-overtaxing-our-grid.html Timestamps: 00:00–Data Center Growth 01:55–Data Center Installs Fossil Fuel Plant 2:50–Talen AWS Nuclear Deal in Pennsylvania 3:30–Positive News! Ok No. 3:40–Greenwashing with RECs 4:58–Power Offtake Agreements 6:20–Do Companies Even Care About Emissions? 6:48–In Defense of RECs 7:50–Thought Experiment: Marginal Benefit of 1 MWh renewable energy 8:50–Solar vs Solar: Individual Project Lifecycle Emissions 9:30–RECs seem wrong! But probably still useful 10:00–Google’s Solution 10:21–Verdict 11:15–Long-term power contracts

    12 min

  8. 08/22/2024

    Chevron Deference and the Future of Solar QFs

    The Supreme Court eliminating Chevron deference has been made out to be a huge deal. But what is it exactly and who cares? Today we’ll take a look at the original oil refinery case that created Chevron deference in the 1980s, the fishing observer case that eliminated it last month, and some practical implications for our energy system – including a FERC ruling that may decide the future of many solar plus storage projects. Sources and recommended reading: Congressional Summary of 1977 Amendment to Clean Air Act Broadview Solar Brief, Montana Solar Plus Storage Facility Michigan Law Review: Chevron in the Circuit Courts (2017) Southern Gas Association, Breaking News: Overturned Chevron Deference (June 2024) NYT Justices Limit Power of Federal Agencies, Imperiling an Array of Regulations (June 2024) Timestamps: 00:00-Introduction 01:00-Historical Context 01:55-EPA Bubble Theory 2:50-NRDC Lawsuit 3:20-Two Part Test for Chevron Deference 4:40-Chevron Deference Throughout the Years 7:40-The Elimination of Chevron Deference: Loper Bright 9:00-Energy & Climate Rule Impacts of Chevron Going Away 9:37-Solar Plus Storage Issues in Montana – PURPA 12:30-Courts before Chevron Deference 13:00-Does Deference Even Matter? 14:15-Chevron Deference May be Back One Day

    15 min
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How does the grid work? What are the barriers to making it cleaner? And who has the power to decide? Tune in each week to hear about tech, markets, and policy related to the U.S. electricity sector.

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