Bonus: The Wonderful Wizard of DOGE

Who is actually running DOGE? That’s the question Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern are trying to answer on this week’s Amicus bonus episode exclusively for Slate Plus members. In public, it sure seems like the answer is Elon Musk, but in the courts, it’s…big shrug. Dahlia and Mark discuss the legal strategy behind not actually saying who is in charge of the not-quite-a-department (but also not an agency) currently dismantling the administrative state. Mark and Dahlia also talk about the limits of good judgeship in these very flooding-the-zone times. This episode is member-exclusive. Listen to it now by subscribing to Slate Plus. By joining, not only will you unlock weekly bonus episodes of Amicus—you’ll also access ad-free listening across all your favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the Amicus show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/amicusplus to get access wherever you listen.