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A betting podcast about the business side of the betting, wagering and investing world. Hosted by Jason Trost
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A betting podcast about the business side of the betting, wagering and investing world. Hosted by Jason Trost
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    E211 - Joe Dunnigan from ALT Sports Data

    E211 - Joe Dunnigan from ALT Sports Data

    On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by Joe Dunnigan from ALT Sports Data.
    Hear them discuss:
    01:22 - The genesis of ALT Sports Data, and the problem they set out to solve in the market
    05:25 - Why alternative sports don't historically have a culture of betting despite their popularity 
    07:21 - The target customer persona for betting on alternative sports
    09:12 - How alternative sports are segmented, and which are the most popular ones
    13:15 - Why ALT Sports Data is securing official data rights instead of aggregating data themselves
    16:25 - Why they are building an owned B2C media platform in addition to provisioning odds on a B2B basis
    17:29 - Funding background and team composition of ALT Sports Data
    19:36 - The future of the relationship between data rights holders and sportsbook operators, and the sustainability of the existing model
    23:47 - The appeal of live sports content with younger generations and demographics 
    26:07 - Being an entrepreneur in the later career stage, and the benefits that brings
    29:15 - Focusing on a niche versus being everything to everybody 
    31:08 - What Joe wants to be when he grows up

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    • 32 min
    E210 - Matthew Trenhaile

    E210 - Matthew Trenhaile

    On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by Matthew Trenhaile. In a bit of a twist on the standard format, the guest is the one asking the questions to our host!
    Hear them discuss:
    02:14 - The Smarkets origin story, and why Jason thought an exchange was needed
    08:32 - How Smarkets almost became a social betting platform, and the role that social features play in the exchange experience 
    13:03 - The Betafir API, developer ecosystems, and why Smarkets currently operates as a "closed garden" platform
    21:44 - The backstory of how Smarkets came to be its own market maker, and the challenges that came with that
    29:22 - Whether the value proposition of exchanges will ever become broadly appealing to recreational bettors
    37:31 - The allure of pivoting to B2B for exchanges and syndicates
    47:18 - The challenges of offering political betting markets
    52:23 - Trading on Betfair in the early days
    60:58 - What Matthew wants to be when he grows up

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    E209 - Dillon Borgida from Betonu

    E209 - Dillon Borgida from Betonu

    On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by Dillon Borgida from Betonu.
    Hear them discuss:
    01:42 - NCAA basketball talk
    03:20 - Breakdown of sportsbook VIP programs and how they work
    08:26 - The role of VIP hosts
    10:35 - Why Smarkets doesn't have a VIP program (so far)
    15:00 - Why VIP players aren't necessarily price sensitive 
    16:04 - The different tiers of VIPs, and what perks each tier can expect
    20:23 - The role of credit and offshore sportsbooks with VIP players
    23:28 - VIPs, responsible gambling, and affordability checks
    30:10 - What the next 10 years look like for VIP players in the regulated US market
    33:29 - What Dillon wants to be when he grows up

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    • 36 min
    E208 - Greg Kajewski from BettorEdge

    E208 - Greg Kajewski from BettorEdge

    On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by Greg Kajewski from BettorEdge.
    Hear them discuss:
    01:00 - March Madness check-in
    02:30 - Jason's collegiate wrestling career
    05:38 - Introduction to BettorEdge
    09:18 - Mechanics of transactions on BettorEdge, and how they are structured to ensure compliance
    14:08 - BettorEdge's peer-to-peer betting model
    16:32 - The different ways that BettorEdge monetizes its platform
    20:21 - Attracting liquidity to the exchange
    23:45 - Greg's opinion of Smarkets' strategy in the US market
    25:34 - Marketing a betting product in a loud and crowded landscape
    26:52 - BettorEdge funding and company backgrounder
    28:49 - What Greg wants to be when he grows up

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    • 30 min
    E207 - Chris Grove from Acies Investments

    E207 - Chris Grove from Acies Investments

    On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by Chris Grove from Acies Investments 
    Hear them discuss:
    01:43 - How Chris became so good at doing PR
    03:31 - What Chris sees as his "north star" for his work in the betting and gaming industry
    09:29 - Chris' thesis on why the future is "not so much gamifying sports betting as building games that are powered by sports outcomes"
    15:33 - Where Chris sees opportunity for startups and challenger brands in a duopolistic US operator market
    21:00 - The role and relative importance of price as a differentiator for sports betting operators
    26:18 - The significance of exchanges, where they sit within the landscape, and why they're not bigger
    35:01 - A debate on whether online sportsbooks are 'technology companies' or 'gambling companies'
    43:51 - What Chris wants to be when he grows up

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    • 47 min
    E206 - James McLoughlin from Stirling Mac

    E206 - James McLoughlin from Stirling Mac

    On this episode of the Business of Betting Podcast, Jason is joined by James McLoughlin from Stirling Mac.
    Hear them discuss:
    01:53 - Are US sportsbook product companies or marketing companies?
    05:44 - The importance of price as part of the betting product experience 
    09:30 - Lean marketing tactics for operators without billion dollar marketing budgets
    12:00 - How to successfully market betting apps using app store optimization 
    15:17 - Acquiring users and customers organically 
    20:27 - James' experience working at Betfair, and why exchanges are on the retreat in sports betting
    23:05 - The popularity of political betting markets
    24:51 - Examining the current prediction markets for the 2024 US presidential election 
    29:00 - Critiquing Smarkets' marketing strategy 
    30:31 - What James wants to be when he grows up

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    • 32 min

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