35 episodes

The Clean Sport Collective is a community of powerful voices comprised of athletes, brands, events, clubs, fans and the public to support the pursuit of clean sport and athletics through the absence of performance enhancing drugs.

With this podcast, we will celebrate clean athletes, educate you on issues in the world of clean sport, and bring hope that we can all believe in the power of fair play across all sports.

Clean Sport Collective Kara Goucher, Shanna Burnette, and Chris McClung

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The Clean Sport Collective is a community of powerful voices comprised of athletes, brands, events, clubs, fans and the public to support the pursuit of clean sport and athletics through the absence of performance enhancing drugs.

With this podcast, we will celebrate clean athletes, educate you on issues in the world of clean sport, and bring hope that we can all believe in the power of fair play across all sports.

    Episode #34: Stephanie Bruce, 2:29 Marathoner and US 10K Road Champion

    Episode #34: Stephanie Bruce, 2:29 Marathoner and US 10K Road Champion

    In this episode, we stay with team NAZ Elite and interview Stephanie (Steph) Bruce. Not all superheroes wear capes and Steph Bruce is an example of that. You already know that she is fast (at both the marathon and 10K distances), but did you know that she's also a running coach, co-founder of Picky Bars, mom of two, and of course, advocate for women in sport and clean sport.
    In this interview, Shanna and Chris interview Steph, and we cover a wide range of topics. She discusses her running journey including the gut-wrenching turning point that transformed her from disinterested high school runner into the person that would become a committed champion. She talks about the moments and people that would have pushed others to quit and why she refused to do so. 
    She talks about her first experience running against an athlete who would later be busted for doping and provides an interesting perspective on why the shoe debate matters and why it can be hard for others to understand that.
    More than the stories and anecdotes, you learn that Steph's bright light comes from her raging fire of determination inside. She doesn't necessarily have a top seed in the Olympic Trials field by time, but you can guarantee that her hard work and fierce determination will make her a force to be reckoned with on February 29th in Atlanta. Go Steph go!

    • 56 min
    Episode #33: Scott Fauble, 2:09 Marathoner (Top 10 All-Time)

    Episode #33: Scott Fauble, 2:09 Marathoner (Top 10 All-Time)

    Scott Fauble was the top American at the Boston Marathon and the 2nd ranked marathoner in the US in 2019. His 2:09:09 in Boston makes him the 10th fastest US marathoner of all-time. He trains with team Northern Arizona Elite (NAZ Elite), sponsored by Hoka One One and coached by Ben Rosario.
    While a state champion in high school, Scott's rise to the top of US marathoning has not be a smooth or predictable road at least for those watching from the outside. Scott talks about his progression in the sport including how he has always set big goals and high standards for himself and how his mindset makes him particularly well-suited to the 26.2 mile distance.
    In this fascinating conversation, Chris and Kara learn about Scott's journey in the sport and then dig deep with Scott on all the major issues within distance running from Alberto Salazar to Mary Cain's experiences at the Oregon Project to sports governance and athlete representation and of course to the great shoe debate.
    One surprising revelation from the discussion is that Scott is not currently in the drug testing pool in spite of wanting to be. That news came as a shock to us given Scott's success but is also a perfect example of continued challenges and opportunities in the fight for clean sport.
    Thank you to Scott for joining us and for his willingness to discuss the tough topics so freely. We will be rooting hard for him and all of his NAZ Elite teammates in Atlanta on February 29th!
     
     
     
     
     

    • 1 hr 8 min
    Episode #32: Emily Sisson, 2:23 Marathoner (Fastest US Debut)

    Episode #32: Emily Sisson, 2:23 Marathoner (Fastest US Debut)

    In this episode, Kara and Chris interview Emily Sisson as we continue our series in the build-up to the Olympic Marathon Trials in Atlanta on February 29th. Emily has had success at every level from high school state champion to 2-time NCAA champion and now 2-time US Champion on the roads in the 5K and 10K. Perhaps more impressive, however, was her first marathon last spring in London where she ran 2:23 to clock the fastest debut ever by an American on a record-eligible course. 
    In this interview, we talk about her start in sport playing soccer and how that led to her rapid rise as a runner. She talks about her progression through high school and college and how she made the decision to turn pro. She gives insight into what she has learned from training partner Molly Huddle through the years and what it was like running so fast and beating Molly in the same marathon in London. Emily is down to earth and straight forward on the "pressure" that comes with her new status as a fast marathoner and shares her training and mental approach for the upcoming Olympic Trials.
    As we conclude, Emily gives her perspective on clean sport and the great shoe debate, particularly discussing the challenges and pitfalls of speaking out on these topics as an athlete.
    Emily is still new to the marathon but sleep on her chances to make an Olympic team in Atlanta at your own peril. Go Emily!
    Note: this interview was recorded before the new shoe regulations were released by World Athletics.
     

    • 57 min
    Episode #31: Shadrack Biwott, Boston Marathon Podium Finisher

    Episode #31: Shadrack Biwott, Boston Marathon Podium Finisher

    Shadrack Biwott is one of only three athletes in the men's field for the US Olympic Marathon Trials who has stood on a World Major Marathon podium. He finished 3rd at the Boston Marathon in 2018 in the extreme cold, windy, and rainy conditions that also accompanied Des Linden's victory on the same day. That finish along with his 4th place finish at Boston in 2017 and 5th place at NYC in 2016 give you only the surface reasons needed to suggest he could make an Olympic team on February 29th. 
    In this interview, Kara and Chris dig into so much more including Shadrack's move to the US in high school when he couldn't speak English to the struggles of his early pro days without a sponsor and his first marathon that almost had him swear off the distance.
    Now, Shadrack trains with the Hansons-Brooks Distance Project and has achieved stability in the sport but admits he is still very much learning the marathon distance as he seeks to make his first Olympic team. We think you will find this interview relatable, endearing, and refreshing as Shadrack himself says that all he can do is "tell the truth." Thank you Shadrack for doing just that with us and for your commitment to clean sport. 
     
     

    • 56 min
    Episode #30: Molly Huddle, Olympian and 28-time US Champion

    Episode #30: Molly Huddle, Olympian and 28-time US Champion

    Olympian Molly Huddle has won so many US titles on the track, road, and grass that even she has lost count. As one of the surest bets in US distance running, we *think* she is up to 28 times as a national champion. She is also the first athlete to wear a Clean Sport Collective temporary tattoo in competition when she debuted in the marathon at NYC in 2016. 
    Kara and Shanna lead this one discussing a broad range topics from her early childhood years in sport to her transition to running in high school with only one season of cross country to her 10K US record earned in a blistering fast but also suspicious race at the Rio Olympics. 
    Molly talks about how she moved past a season of injuries in and around her collegiate career to achieve such a high level of excellence as a pro while competing clean, as well as her perspective on what the sport needs to do in order to level the playing field, as shared in her recent op-ed in the Providence Journal. 
    Molly is both a champion in the sport and a champion for clean sport, and we are rooting for her to make another Olympic team this year!
    With this interview, we kick off a podcast series interviewing the top contenders for the Olympic Marathon Trials in Atlanta on February 29th. Stay tuned for twice weekly episodes all month long with the next one coming on Wednesday, February 5th. 
    Note: This interview was conducted prior to the new shoe regulations announced by World Athletics on January 31st. 

    • 58 min
    Special Episode: New Shoe Regulations with Ross Tucker, Kara Goucher, and Adam Goucher

    Special Episode: New Shoe Regulations with Ross Tucker, Kara Goucher, and Adam Goucher

    World Athletics (formerly the IAAF) released their updated regulations regarding footwear today. These regulations establish new rules governing the use of prototypes and impose immediate limits on sole thickness (i.e. stack height) and the use of carbon fiber plates.
     
    In summary, it appears that the Nike prototype AlphaFly is now banned, but the Nike 4% and Next% are still legal. The AlphaFly was the Nike prototype worn by Eliud Kipchoge to break the 2-hour barrier in the marathon. In addition, competitors to Nike now have until April 30th to release their versions of the Next% in order for their athletes to wear new shoes at the Olympic Games in Japan. Otherwise, new shoes must comply with the new structural limits and be commercially available to all for a period of 4 months before they can be used in competition.
     
    Ross Tucker from the Science of Sport joins Kara and Adam Goucher with Chris McClung moderating to provide our immediate reactions in this special episode. We discuss the practical implications of the new rules as well as where we believe they continue to fall short. Do these new rules resolve the great shoe debate or do they create more new questions than answers?
     

    • 40 min

Customer Reviews

Meggruns ,

Eye opening

I appreciate this podcast for shining a light on clean sport and having guests who uphold the belief that running can still be great without succumbing to the doping pressures.

Sephorafan ,

Clean Sport Collective with Molly Huddle

Great podcast! Loved that Shanna & Kara both spoke with Molly. So cool hearing how they admired Molly’s results & confirmed to be proud-when gutting it out in racing(&results did not necessarily have clean winners)...Also loved the simple joy and innocence when Molly starting running;& then learning while training with Shalane & Emma,for ex.,& how she was open to realizing it broke some bad habits,& confirmed to believe & trust her training. Awesome to hear her race directing & mentoring young middle schoolers. And advocating Clean Sport💗will definitely listen again!!!thx💗

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So glad this podcast is here!

The honesty and discussions here are so helpful and important. Thanks for your content.

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