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Politics, history & religion from a leftist, Christian perspective. No war but class war. Socialism=good. Capitalism=bad.

(Formerly Public Theologians)

Dissident Orthodoxy Casey Hobbs

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Politics, history & religion from a leftist, Christian perspective. No war but class war. Socialism=good. Capitalism=bad.

(Formerly Public Theologians)

    Peter Cole - Wobblies: solidarity as religion

    Peter Cole - Wobblies: solidarity as religion

    Union organizing is in the news for the first time in many of our lifetimes. Christian Smalls and the Amazon Labor Union has inspired workers at Starbucks, Chipotle and brought into focus the traditional unions like the Warrior Met coal miners on strike in Brookwood, Alabama. But what if all of these workers got together - all of us - in the states and internationally - and stood up together against the 1%? 
    That was the Wobblies' idea at the beginning of the 20th Century. 
    Dr. Peter Cole joins the conversation to talk about the legacy and relevance of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW). 
    Peter Cole is Professor of History at Western Illinois University and Research Associate at the Society, Work and Development Institute, University of the Witwatersrand. He is the author of Wobblies on the Waterfront (University of Illinois Press, 2007) and editor of Wobblies of the World (Pluto, 2017).
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    Stephen Kinzer - MK Ultra, the CIA and LSD

    Stephen Kinzer - MK Ultra, the CIA and LSD

    Legendary journalist Stephen Kinzer discusses his 2019 book Poisoner in Chief: Stanley Gottlieb and the CIA Search for Mind Control. As it turns out, the CIA is not to be trusted and, yes, US intelligence has a long and unbroken history of torture. But, no, there's not really such a thing as mind control. A decade or so of MK Ultra proved as much. As Kinzer says, "the only one mind control worked on was Gottlieb himsef."

    Throughout the course of our conversation we also discover the reason John Lennon always remembered to thank the CIA and what accidentally sparked the brilliance of Ken Kesey and the Grateful Dead, turning out a generation of anti-war hippies.

    We also discuss the potential benefits to using psychedelics in safe, responsible and therapeutic settings!  



    Stephen Kinzer is the author of many books, including The True Flag, The Brothers, Overthrow, and All the Shah’s Men. An award-winning foreign correspondent, he served as the New York Times bureau chief in Nicaragua, Germany, and Turkey. He is a senior fellow at the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs at Brown University, and writes a world affairs column for the Boston Globe. He lives in Boston. 



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    • 36 min
    rebroadcast: Daniel K Williams - Abortion, Right, Left and the Politics of the Cross

    rebroadcast: Daniel K Williams - Abortion, Right, Left and the Politics of the Cross

    Dr. Daniel Williams, Professor of History at the University of West Georgia and author of several books including Defenders of the Unborn: The Pro-Life Movement Before Roe v. Wade and the recently released The Politics of the Cross: A Christian Alternative to Partisanship joins Casey to discuss the recent Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) fallout from Dr. Russell Moore's leaked letter, charging leaders within the Convention of a litany of racial and sexist comments and actions. We hear from Dr. Williams on why he chooses to remain in Evangelical spaces while recognizing the need for repentance and systemic change. 
    We also discuss the historical context of the abortion conversation, why Republicans were pro-choice pre-Roe, why Liberals and Leftists alike were largely pro-life at the time. The historical lessons, as always are instructive to addressing both the political and the moral ramifications of the questions today. 
    We also discuss why a better approach would be to offer substantive policies (one might even call them "concrete" or "material") instead of slogans and false promises offered each election. 
    Mentioned in this Episode:

    https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2020/12/im-not-leaving-evangelicalism-even-with-its-unfortunate-political-choices/
    https://religionnews.com/2021/06/03/sbc-sources-paige-patterson-made-black-girl-comments-cited-in-russell-moore-letter/
    https://www.christianpost.com/news/mike-stone-russell-moore-letter-an-attempt-to-sway-sbc-election.html
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/daniel-williams-defenders-unborn/435369/
    https://www.alibris.com/The-Politics-of-the-Cross-A-Christian-Alternative-to-Partisanship-Daniel-K-Williams/book/48546009?matches=34

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    Brendan J. Payne - Gin, Jesus and Jim Crow

    Brendan J. Payne - Gin, Jesus and Jim Crow

    Dr. Brendan J. Payne joins to discuss his book Gin Jesus and Jim Crow: Prohibition and the Transformation of Racial and Religious Politics in the South from LSU Press. Brendan traces the prohibition debate through the lens of Baptist and Methodist traditions, in concert with the progressive voices of the day who successfully lobbied for the 18th Amendment. A familiar theme arose in his research. White religious folk and politicians were...wait for it...super racist and used Black voters as pawns while doing little to nothing to secure their rights. 

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    A note about the podcast: This will be the last in the season, we'll be returning in August but with a new name! Henceforth we'll be known as Dissident Orthodoxy. The feed will stay the same and the content will be similar. Look for some new art work, new music and a bit more descriptive language for what I've been aiming at these two years!

    Talk to you in August!

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    BRENDAN J. J. PAYNE is chair of the Department of History at North Greenville University in South Carolina.



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    • 53 min
    Kathryn Gin Lum - Heathen - Religion and Race in American History

    Kathryn Gin Lum - Heathen - Religion and Race in American History

    Dr. Kathryn Gin Lum discusses her forthcoming book from Harvard University Press Heathen - Religion and Race in American History. The conversation includes not only historical context of Christianity's heightened focus on dehumanizing outsiders with the "settling" of America but also contemporary examples of this phenomenon. As usual, we attempt to identify the primary beneficiaries of racism both then and now.    



    Mentioned in this episode:

    https://religionnews.com/2022/03/22/whats-alien-about-war-in-europe-the-heathen-world-offers-clues/

    https://religionnews.com/2022/03/22/whats-alien-about-war-in-europe-the-heathen-world-offers-clues

    https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2957825/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-on-the-closure-of-the-red/



    Kathryn Gin Lum is a historian of religion and race in America and the author of Damned Nation: Hell in America from the Revolution to Reconstruction. Her writing has appeared in the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and Christian Century. She is Associate Professor of Religious Studies, in collaboration with the Center for Comparative Studies in Race and Ethnicity, at Stanford University.



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    • 48 min
    Kathleen Wellman - The Christian Right has Hijacked History

    Kathleen Wellman - The Christian Right has Hijacked History

    Dr. Kathleen Wellman stops by to discuss her book Hijacking History: How the Christian Right Teaches History and Why It Matters. The subject matter, for Casey, is deeply personal, being taught in Christian schools with Abeka Book curricula from junior high school to graduation. History, in the world of right-wing Christian education is...shall we say...unique. Ever wondered how Moses, John Calvin and Thomas Aquinas led directly to the founding of America? Ever wondered why Capitalism is a gift from God and Communism/Socialism/The New Deal is directly from the pit of hell?

    You've come to the right place!


    Kathleen Wellman is Dedman Family Distinguished Professor of History and Altshuler Distinguished Teaching Professor at Southern Methodist University

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    • 50 min

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Public Theology 101

A fantastic podcast that does the necessary work of bringing progressive theology out of the academy and into the public sphere, addressing difficult and important topics with leading scholars and activists in ways that engage everyday folks.

BuddhaEthics ,

Terrific faith perspectives on current events

"Public Theologians” is a terrific podcast by Casey Hobbs. Earlier in the first year of the podcast Casey had a dialogue with a cohost, but Jerran moved on and Casey has developed the show into a roughly weekly deep-dive interview with theologians, researchers, pastoral leaders, and activists about a wide range of urgent topics: from racism, to prisoners' rights, to Evangelical sexual culture, to the end of the U.S. military presence in Afghanistan (full disclosure: I was recently interviewed by him on the latter topic). And much more! While not limited to examination of Evangelical views and practices, the podcast has a particular strength in casting a critical eye at ways that Evangelical Christians have lost their way when viewed in light of the whole Gospel. Casey and his guest challenge listeners to consider what it really means to follow Christ in the 21st century. Would He really be policing what a married couple do in the bedroom, or would He be found at a BLM protest? Listen to inform your own answers to this question.

zaihwa ,

Fantastic podcast, both from a listener’s and a guest’s perspective

I had a great time speaking to Casey for a show a couple months ago. It’s still relatively rare to have a space for people on the Christian left to have a space to work out theology beyond academia, particularly with a podcast host who’s as interested in listening as in speaking. The confessional and generational diversity of guests on the show is particularly special. Check it out!

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