Say It Anyway

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Say It Anyway is the podcast where we say the things about digital marketing you’re technically supposed to keep to yourself. Every week, hosts Mordy Oberstein (Head of Brand, SE Ranking) and Miruna Dragomir (CMO, Planable) take an honest — sometimes uncomfortably honest — look at what’s actually happening across the modern marketing landscape.

  1. 13H AGO

    Stop Using AI for Output — Use It as Your Audience

    “How much more can we produce with AI?” is the wrong question. Everyone is measuring AI adoption by output: more content, more copy, more campaigns, more. Mordy Oberstein and Miruna Dragomir argue that framing has teams convinced they’re getting value from AI when they’re actually getting the least interesting thing from it. The smarter move? Use it as your audience. Miruna built a custom GPT trained on her brand’s target personas — not to generate content, but to push back on it. The AI’s job wasn’t to help. It was to simulate a skeptical reader and flag where the messaging wasn’t landing. The result? More useful than any creative brief. From stress-testing a strategy pitch against a simulated CEO to understanding how LLMs reflect internet-wide perception of your brand, this episode makes the case that AI’s real value isn’t in the output it produces — it’s in the thinking it forces. Amanda Natividad, VP of Marketing at SparkToro, joins with her own take on using AI for audience research and strategic input rather than task automation.

    18 min

  2. 12/16/2025

    [Debate] Budgeting for multi-engine search: Where should your next $10K go?

    At SEO Foresight 2026 on December 9, join widely respected voices in search—Barry Schwartz, Melissa Popp, Erin Sparks and Grace Frohlich—for a grounded discussion on how teams are planning budgets across today’s multi-engine landscape.  With Google’s AI Mode reshaping results and “answer engines” gaining traction, this session compares real-world approaches without one-size-fits-all prescriptions. What’s on the agenda? Ways teams prioritize among content, citations/PR, technical work, and partnerships/data—plus common trade-offs.What “impact” can mean in 2026: inclusion in AI answers, citation quality, and durable brand visibility.Practical considerations for planning and measurement across multiple surfaces (no one-size-fits-all).Join to hear different perspectives and gather ideas for your own 2026 discussions. Grab your free seat now.

    38 min

  3. 11/25/2025

    Multi-platform search is here: Building brand visibility across Google, TikTok, and answer engines

    Join Jessica Redman, co-founder of Didgeheads and multi-platform visibility strategist, for a fast-paced guide to showing up across Google, TikTok, and AI answer engines. In this episode, Jessica unpacks the psychology behind today’s multi-touch search journeys and shares playbooks for earning inclusion in quick answers (AI Overviews, Copilot, Perplexity), building TikTok-native discoverability, and structuring catalogs so people and machines find products faster.  You’ll learn how to clarify entities, use structured evidence, and turn long-form content into short, searchable video—plus what to track when clicks are scarce: share of voice, citations, assisted conversions. We also touch on answer-led browsing and new data-sharing rules that keep Chrome intact—and what they mean for channel mix and measurement. Planning portable brand visibility in 2025? Start here.

    40 min

  4. 08/27/2025

    Conversational AI meets cognitive bias: Re-engineering search strategy for the human brain

    Join Garrett Sussman, Director of Marketing at iPullRank, as he explores how conversational AI and cognitive bias are reshaping search strategy in 2025. In this episode, Garrett breaks down how chat-style answer engines—like Google’s AI Overviews and AI Mode, and OpenAI’s ChatGPT—tap into psychological shortcuts that influence how people discover and trust information. Discover how to spot and work with biases such as confirmation bias, authority bias, and the halo effect to guide search behavior without gaming the system. Garrett shares practical tactics for crafting bias-aware, AI-friendly snippets, measuring visibility in a low-click world, and aligning content with both human instincts and machine interpretation. Tune in for advice on adapting to AI-first search, from compressing the “messy middle” funnel to preparing for emerging conversational platforms.

    50 min

  5. 07/24/2025

    AI-ready schema: Feeding Google’s answer engines with structured data

    Join Alex Moss, Principal SEO at Yoast and co-founder of FireCask, as he dives into the world of AI-ready schema and structured data, sharing insights from his 20+ years of experience in technical SEO. In this episode, Alex walks us through how schema has evolved to support Google’s AI-driven answer engines, and why it’s more important than ever to ensure your site is AI-ready. Discover practical strategies for structuring data, writing AI-friendly content, and troubleshooting common markup mistakes. Alex also shares his step-by-step audit process for ensuring structured data is truly working for your site and measurable in search performance. Tune in for valuable advice on entity hooks, knowledge graphs, and advanced SEO tactics that can help you make the most of AI-driven search results.

    37 min

  6. 06/12/2025

    The AI reality: Navigating strategic shifts in SEO

    Join Barry Schwartz, President at RustyBrick, Thomas Phillips, Co-Founder of DTC SEO Agency, and Janna Pugh, SEO Specialist at Five9, as they discuss how AI-driven search is rewriting the SEO rulebook. Discover where generative tools like ChatGPT and Gemini genuinely speed up competitor research, interlinking, and product categorization—and where unchecked automations can sabotage title tags and tank traffic. Learn why Google’s AI Mode, AI Overviews, and upcoming agentic shopping experiences are shifting clicks away from websites, and how rock-solid technical SEO, sharp brand positioning, and E-E-A-T safeguards keep you in the game. Tune in for candid strategies to balance AI efficiency with human insight, redefine success metrics, and stay essential as search evolves beyond the blue link.

    37 min

  7. 05/27/2025

    Building a Sustainable SEO Strategy for Local Businesses

    In this episode, John Reinesch, Founder of Asset Growth, shares key insights into building and sustaining effective local SEO strategies. Learn about long-term versus short-term tactics, foundational SEO elements, adapting to algorithm changes, and the importance of leveraging content. John also covers community-focused backlink building, mobile optimization, the power of customer reviews, and using AI and social media to boost local visibility.

    30 min

  8. 04/24/2025

    Driving Real Revenue with SEO: Unpacking Demand Generation, Attribution & AI

    ​In this episode, Marketing Director at edays, Lewis Rennison, dives into how AI-driven search tools are reshaping SEO—highlighting which strategies are becoming obsolete and which core practices remain essential. Discover how to leverage AI to enhance demand generation, accurately attribute revenue to SEO efforts, and build an effective multi-channel marketing strategy. Lewis also explores the rising importance of video content, the impact of AI-generated overviews on search rankings, and how businesses can future-proof their SEO efforts.

    28 min
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Say It Anyway is the podcast where we say the things about digital marketing you’re technically supposed to keep to yourself. Every week, hosts Mordy Oberstein (Head of Brand, SE Ranking) and Miruna Dragomir (CMO, Planable) take an honest — sometimes uncomfortably honest — look at what’s actually happening across the modern marketing landscape.

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  • Creator
    SE Ranking x Planable
  • Years Active
    2022 - 2026
  • Episodes
    43
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    Clean
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    © 2026 Say It Anyway
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